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    Default UGH! Assholes on Model Mayhem....

    So for those of you who know what Model Mayhem is, or if you have a profile on there...here's a little story for you about cocky asshole photographers.

    I found a photographer the other day and I loved his work. So I send him a message, and he sends me a link to his website to fill out a "Model Application" Just a bunch of info like the regular stats, some lifestyle questions and whatnot. He emails me back and is SUPER nice and funny, says I love your look and whatnot....go to my personal webpage page and check out these pics, tell me if it's something you'd like to do....

    SO I go look at the pics and they are all nudes. Not raunchy, very classy and artistic, but nudes. I don't do nudes, I'm not closed minded to doing them, I am just focused on a specific goal right now which is pin-up/fashion.
    Well, he didn't have any nudes on his Model Mayhem portfolio, and the pics he had on there were what I am trying to go for. I didn't expect him to redirect me to a whole other website.

    SO I email him back, tell him VERY kindly and professionally that nudes just aren't something I want do do right now, but I loved his other stuff.

    He emails me back, and WHOAH!!!! Did the fucking mood change. Basically he tells me, oh well too bad, because I don't do the kind of photos you want with MODELS I HAVEN'T WORKED WITH BEFORE.

    OK....SO....Your willing to shoot me if I take it all off for you...even though you.... haven't... worked with me before. BUT you're NOT willing to shoot me otherwise??? So what does EVERY model have to do their first shoot with you nude before she can do anything else? Usually, it's the other way around.

    What the fuck ever.

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    That's dumb. Oh well, its his loss!

    Have you tried Fantasy Pinups yet?

    Or this girl?


    I haven't worked or spoken with either, but they are on my list if I ever get around to shooting. Who was the guy?...I wanna make sure he's not on my potential list.

    Warning! Threadjack: Did you like working with Nevarez? He's on my list and I saw your awesome pinup pics on his page

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherryBomb954 View Post
    What the fuck ever.
    He's trying to sleep with you. While you may be an excellent subject for a legit photo shoot, he's willing to mess that up to sleep with you.

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    Was his work on MM all nudes too? I'm confused. You said you liked his work but then you said that all his photos were nude.


    Just sounds like a misunderstanding.
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    ^What Sophia said.
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    I wish there was an "auto-like" setting that I could just have applied to all of your posts Sophia....

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    Quote Originally Posted by GentlemanX View Post
    He's trying to sleep with you. While you may be an excellent subject for a legit photo shoot, he's willing to mess that up to sleep with you.

    LOL. You're silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    ^What Sophia said.
    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    I wish there was an "auto-like" setting that I could just have applied to all of your posts Sophia....

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    lol. I know how we think. Typically if a woman is at our place naked it means sex. Maybe he is hoping that cherrybomb gets confused.

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    That is just wrong. And bad for the overall image people have of photographers. (Of course, there are so many stories like this out there, maybe the overall image people have of photographers is hopelessly ruined. And if you get into bondage photography, it gets even worse.)

    Maybe he's not trying to sleep with you...maybe he's just looking for a free show. What a scam... even better than looking at Playboy centerfolds...be a photographer and have girls get naked right in front of you! Ugh!!

    There another possibility, giving the man the benefit of the doubt for a moment (not that I think he deserves it). When you sign up for Model Mayhem, they have a lot stricter portfolio screening policy than One Model Place or Model Brigade. They don't like any mention of sites they consider adult (even tearsheets of ads for them), and I'm not sure they're all that happy with bondage photography. They don't tell you what is wrong with your port, they just tell you it was rejected. It took me three tries to get in, and I finally ended up just removing all the bondage stuff (which is pretty mild) from the port. So maybe this guy couldn't get in with his port, so he removed all the nudes. Now, the reason I don't want to give him the benefit of the doubt is that he should have had something in his profile that said that when he worked with new models, he did only nude shoots. Then you might still think he was an asshole, but you wouldn't have to waste your time interacting with him.

    There's another weird thing I've been noticing lately. On One Model Place, I get these notifications whenever there is a new model in the area. About half the new models, their main picture is a nude one, even if they just have one or two pictures in their portfolio. That always strikes me as odd. Wouldn't you like to sort of get the feel of the place before blasting a nude photo out there? It seems like it's just asking for trouble from the GWC (guy with camera) photographers. (Of course, it would be great if you want to get work from CherryBomb's would-be photographer.)

    Lynn
    Last edited by lgrant98001; 12-09-2008 at 06:17 PM. Reason: Edited to make more sense so y'all could understand what I was trying to say :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by snow white View Post
    Have you tried Fantasy Pinups yet?


    I haven't worked or spoken with either, but they are on my list if I ever get around to shooting. Who was the guy?...I wanna make sure he's not on my potential list.

    Warning! Threadjack: Did you like working with Nevarez? He's on my list and I saw your awesome pinup pics on his page
    Oh hell yeah! Fantasy Pinups rule. They are awesome. Already had a shoot with them this year.
    I'll PM you with the name of the guy, I don't want to publically post his name.
    And yes! Arturo is great. This was my second shoot with him. I'm his first pinup too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Was his work on MM all nudes too? I'm confused. You said you liked his work but then you said that all his photos were nude.
    No. All his stuff on MM was clothed. He directed me to his personal website where it was all nude, and those were the ones that he said he wanted to do.
    SO I said, OH....I wanted to do stuff like on your MM. That's when he said he only does the MM stuff with people he's worked with before.
    I dunno, it just confuses me. Usually it's the other way around. Usually a test shoot (first time shoot) with a photographer is not nude. (Unless you exclusively shoot nude and are working with an exclusively nude-shooting photographer) You usually work your way into nude after a few shoots, after the comfort level is there.
    It's not only that, it was his attitude in the second email that really bothered me too. he was all 'bout it 'bout it when he thought there was a chance to get me nekkid, then when I said I wanted to do something else, he treated me like crap.


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    Now, the reason I don't want to give him the benefit of the doubt is that he should have had something in his profile that said that when he worked with new models, he did only nude shoots. Then you might still think he was an asshole, but you wouldn't have to waste your time interacting with him.

    There's another weird thing I've been noticing lately. On One Model Place, I get these notifications whenever there is a new model in the area. About half the new models, their main picture is a nude one, even if they just have one or two pictures in their portfolio. That always strikes me as odd. Wouldn't you like to sort of get the feel of the place before blasting a nude photo out there? It seems like it's just asking for trouble from the GWC (guy with camera) photographers. (Of course, it would be great if you want to get work from CherryBomb's would-be photographer.)
    Yeah, there is nothing on his page that says that. I wouldn't have thought he was an asshole, even if there was. I just would have moved on and said to myself "Hey, this photographer is not for me" ....which is all good.

    Like I said above, it was his attitude about the whole thing that was a big part of it. He was so super-sweet and ass-kissing then the minute I declined on the nudey shots, he came back with a cocky attitude. The tone of the email (that I feel he intended) made me feel like I wasn't good enough to do his MM stuff, but oh yeah, if I take it all off then it's a go.

    As far as OMP....I don't care for it. I deleted my account. I wasn't getting good leads anyway.

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    Meh, i've been using MM for years now. I've worked with some awsome photographers through the site.

    It's like anything else, you're gonna run into assholes or at the very least people who just clash with you personality wise.

    Don't sweat it. Just ignore it, it's not worth all the energy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirona View Post
    Meh, i've been using MM for years now. I've worked with some awsome photographers through the site.

    It's like anything else, you're gonna run into assholes or at the very least people who just clash with you personality wise.

    Don't sweat it. Just ignore it, it's not worth all the energy.
    Oh yeah totally, I mean I'm cool. I just needed to vent about it at the time Get some feedback....ya know...the usual

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    hey ,did that photographer offered to pay you for a shoot ? or he just wanted do it for TFCD ?
    Last edited by monicabi; 12-10-2008 at 05:27 AM.

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    pervert creep! the photos on his MM probably arent even his!
    and if they are he has wayyy too much of an ego and is exploiting girls by requiring them to shoot nudes with him first because he knows it is hard to get good looking girls to shoot nudes for free.

    im always weery of guys who insist on shooting nude in general though. i have plenty of male friends who do photography and none of them shoot nude. they all say that guys who shoot nudes have an agenda. i mean unless you get lucky and become a Playboy photographer its really not very lucrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpuff View Post
    i have plenty of male friends who do photography and none of them shoot nude. they all say that guys who shoot nudes have an agenda.
    This is not always true, but is probably true more often then not.

    This year at Fetishcon I attended a talk by Ian Rath, a bondage photographer who runs the Fetish Nation website. The talk was basically about how bondage photographers should act. I think it would also apply a lot to nude photography. And seeing whether or not your photographer acts these ways is probably a good indication of whether or not he is on the level.

    The key thing he told beginning photographers is to always remember that the shoot is about the model, not the photographer. So telling the model she is looking hot is cool. And telling her she has a great ass might be appropriate, especially if that's the part you are shooting. But telling her she is turning you on, is not so good, or telling her what you'd like to do with that great ass. (As an example of what NOT to do, he told us about a photographer who just didn't get it--he called the model the next day and said "The photos from the shoot were great! I've already jerked off to them twice!" Ewwww!)

    Another photographer said that he tended to get hard-ons during sexy shoots, which made his models really uncomfortable. The solution was to get a dance belt (basically a very tight, heavy Spandex thong that male dancers wear to avoid bumps in their leotards).

    If I was a model, I think I would feel a lot safer with a photographer who obviously was going out of his way to make sure I was comfortable. And if he only did nudes on the first shoot, I would expect him to realize that this was unusual, and would make models uncomfortable, and have a good explanation for why he did things this way, and how he would go about making this non-stressful for you (like NOT having a bunch of gawking assistants, but letting your escort stay in the room, someplace out of the way, but within earshot or eyeshot).

    Sorry about the long treatise...as a photographer who has been on the edges of semi-pro off and on over the last 20 years, I get really irritated with the damn fool photographers who give photographers a bad name and scare off all the models. (And there's plenty of them out there.)

    Be well...

    Lynn

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    Quote Originally Posted by CherryBomb954 View Post
    I dunno, it just confuses me. Usually it's the other way around. Usually a test shoot (first time shoot) with a photographer is not nude. (Unless you exclusively shoot nude and are working with an exclusively nude-shooting photographer) You usually work your way into nude after a few shoots, after the comfort level is there.
    By this statement alone, I get bad vibes from this guy. I've modeled for years (and am going back to modeling). I've done both nude and non nude modeling. I was scammed by a guy who insisted that a test shoot (which was no pay because he "needed to see how I photographed") was nude. I was new to modeling nude at this point (I had mostly done clothed industrial modeling) so I fell for it. He decided he didn't want to work with me, because he didn't like my "attitude". I've since found out he's done this to others, and in fact he was a pervert with a camera. After that, I am very strict about this. I don't do nude test shoots, and even if someone insists they need them, I tell them non nude completely. You can tell from a general test shoot how someone will photograph. Then and only then (and with pay) will I model nude. Not only that, but with the internet you don't know where the photos will end up. I've likely lost jobs from this (a few guys wouldn't shoot me without a nude test shoot), but for all I know they may have been perverts too and who knows where the photos could have gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgrant98001 View Post

    The key thing he told beginning photographers is to always remember that the shoot is about the model, not the photographer. So telling the model she is looking hot is cool. And telling her she has a great ass might be appropriate, especially if that's the part you are shooting. But telling her she is turning you on, is not so good, or telling her what you'd like to do with that great ass. (As an example of what NOT to do, he told us about a photographer who just didn't get it--he called the model the next day and said "The photos from the shoot were great! I've already jerked off to them twice!" Ewwww!)
    eww guys actually need to be TOLD not to say these things? Youd think it would be common sense not to be a creep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    By this statement alone, I get bad vibes from this guy. I've modeled for years (and am going back to modeling). I've done both nude and non nude modeling. I was scammed by a guy who insisted that a test shoot (which was no pay because he "needed to see how I photographed") was nude. I was new to modeling nude at this point (I had mostly done clothed industrial modeling) so I fell for it. He decided he didn't want to work with me, because he didn't like my "attitude". I've since found out he's done this to others, and in fact he was a pervert with a camera. After that, I am very strict about this. I don't do nude test shoots, and even if someone insists they need them, I tell them non nude completely. You can tell from a general test shoot how someone will photograph. Then and only then (and with pay) will I model nude. Not only that, but with the internet you don't know where the photos will end up. I've likely lost jobs from this (a few guys wouldn't shoot me without a nude test shoot), but for all I know they may have been perverts too and who knows where the photos could have gone.
    i am skeptical of guys who say they need nudes for their portfolio. i mean really, even if they were aspiring to shoot porn for some odd reason they dont need nude photos to get hired to shoot nude people! i really feel the only reason guys shoot nude and glamour, especially if they shoot it exclusively, is because it turns them on. like i said before, the real money is commercial photography so they cant say its about the money. and you dont need to have a portfolio full of porn if youre looking to make money off shooting porn.

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    The key thing he told beginning photographers is to always remember that the shoot is about the model, not the photographer. So telling the model she is looking hot is cool. And telling her she has a great ass might be appropriate, especially if that's the part you are shooting. But telling her she is turning you on, is not so good, or telling her what you'd like to do with that great ass. (As an example of what NOT to do, he told us about a photographer who just didn't get it--he called the model the next day and said "The photos from the shoot were great! I've already jerked off to them twice!" Ewwww!)
    eww guys actually need to be TOLD not to say these things? Youd think it would be common sense not to be a creep.

    ^^^^

    Ewww seriously...I was like wtf? Wow!


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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpuff View Post
    i am skeptical of guys who say they need nudes for their portfolio. i mean really, even if they were aspiring to shoot porn for some odd reason they dont need nude photos to get hired to shoot nude people! i really feel the only reason guys shoot nude and glamour, especially if they shoot it exclusively, is because it turns them on. like i said before, the real money is commercial photography so they cant say its about the money. and you dont need to have a portfolio full of porn if youre looking to make money off shooting porn.
    Well, there's different kinds of nudes. Many of the nudes I've done have been the artistic kind. The more adult kinds of adult are probably for websites (I'm guessing). If I was to do these, I'd want a lot of money upfront (because I know it'll be many places). I'd hope anyone doing these asked for money upfront. A few photographers I've modeled for have been students and their teacher specifically requested nudes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lgrant98001 View Post
    And if he only did nudes on the first shoot, I would expect him to realize that this was unusual, and would make models uncomfortable, and have a good explanation for why he did things this way, and how he would go about making this non-stressful for you (like NOT having a bunch of gawking assistants, but letting your escort stay in the room, someplace out of the way, but within earshot or eyeshot).
    Right??!! It IS unusual, but I think what's going on there is that this guy's ego is so extremely inflated, he thinks he can push people around cause he's such an amazing artist or whatever. I went and looked at his myspace, and also his girlfriend's myspace (who's also a photographer) and they both are true blue ego-maniacs. The way they both spoke about themselves was nothing short of conceited.

    And about the escort issue......another thing he had said that was interesting is that he's "very picky" about escorts and will have to approve of them before the model will be allowed to bring them along. He said that "husbands/boyfriends will be carefully evaluated as a potential escort" and claims that it's because he's had too many problems with them "distracting the model" and messing up his work. He said he prefers his models to bring along a "female friend" Which is fine but damn, do you have to be so stuck up about everything? It's just a fucking test shoot and dude you are NOT super famous celebrity-status, you're a 21 year old starving artist..... I feel like I should have been setting up a shoot with David LaChapelle or Arny Freytag for the hoops this guy wanted me to jump through.
    I had a shoot with THE number one photographer in the pinup/hotrod culture scene last April. She's known all around the world pretty much and shoots for all the major magazines.......nice, professional most easy-going and completely humble. She's achieved an astonishing level of success and remains down to earth. I think getting a big head on you too soon in the game is a recipe for failure....

    Really, there isn't any perversion going on with this dude. It's strictly an ego problem. I was chatting with another photographer that I have shot with before, and the guy somehow got brought up in the conversation. He said the guy has a rep for being a snob and has worked with other models that have complained about him......interesting.

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