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    Default Re: Well, the Illinois Governor is 'toast' ... but will fallout land on Obama ?

    Is WSJ a reasonably unbiased source?

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/1...reak/?mod=blog

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    Default Re: Well, the Illinois Governor is 'toast' ... but will fallout land on Obama ?

    Not if Murdoch acquires it.
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    Default Re: Well, the Illinois Governor is 'toast' ... but will fallout land on Obama ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Which was a good thing. What Libby and the others did was criminal. It put the CIA agent at risk. It should have been outed much earlier.
    Baloney ! It was the BEST thing that ever happened to Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson. They've made millions from her "outing". In fact, many eyebrows were raised on the D.C. cocktail circuit about the whole "scandal" because it was WIDELY KNOWN before the story broke that Plame worked at the CIA. Novak said so; so did Sally Quinn ( Ben Bradlee's wife ); so did Andrea Mitchell and so did Chris Hitchens who was one of many on the LEFT who were scratching their heads trying to figure out what "CRIME" had been committed when Fitzgerald KNEW from the git-go that Armitage "leaked" her name to Novak.

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    Default Re: Well, the Illinois Governor is 'toast' ... but will fallout land on Obama ?

    So what if they made millions? That still didn't give Novak the right to out them. Only Plame and Wilson had the right to out her, period. I can't believe people think outing a CIA agent was ok. It's not, and can be treason (which carries the death penalty in several instances).

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    Default Re: Well, the Illinois Governor is 'toast' ... but will fallout land on Obama ?

    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Is WSJ a reasonably unbiased source?

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/1...reak/?mod=blog

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    It seems that they are an excellent source for innuendo, at least judging by this article.

    Their editorial page is well-known as a source for extreme right wing opinions; on the news side of the operation, I'd judge each story on it's merits.

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    Default Re: Well, the Illinois Governor is 'toast' ... but will fallout land on Obama ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    So what if they made millions? That still didn't give Novak the right to out them. Only Plame and Wilson had the right to out her, period. I can't believe people think outing a CIA agent was ok. It's not, and can be treason (which carries the death penalty in several instances).
    In order to be "outed" her status had to be S E C R E T. It was classified, yes, but when your occupation is common knowledge in Washington D. C. , (the sieve of sieves) as Plame's was, she was NOT outed. It was made public and given wider circulation than it previously had but it never came close to being a crime. She was not even covered under the applicable statute dealing with revealing identities of COVERT CIA agents.

    Libby was convicted of perjury which consisted ENTIRELY of his getting careless about whether he told Tim Russert or Russert told him ( he told Russert) about Plame working at the CIA. And that was AFTER Armitage had already dropped her name and Novak had printed it.

    And actually, if she REALLY had been a covert CIA agent she was legally proscribed from revealing that without following several strict protocols.

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    Default Re: Well, the Illinois Governor is 'toast' ... but will fallout land on Obama ?

    Quote Originally Posted by dlabtot View Post
    It seems that they are an excellent source for innuendo, at least judging by this article.

    Their editorial page is well-known as a source for extreme right wing opinions; on the news side of the operation, I'd judge each story on it's merits.
    Huh ? All the piece said was to keep an eye out for WHO was on that phone call.

    As compared to the N.Y. Times article trying to smear McCain with implied marital infidelity ? What the WSJ printed is no different than what TIME , NEWSWEEK and U.S. NEWS prints all the time.

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    Default Re: Well, the Illinois Governor is 'toast' ... but will fallout land on Obama ?

    The Albatrosses circle tighter and tighter ...



    (snip)"President-elect Barack Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, refused to take questions from reporters this morning about whether he was the Obama “advisor” named in the criminal complaint against Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

    The complaint states Blagojevich wanted a promise of a high-level appointment or some other reward for Blagojevich in exchange for Blagojevich naming Obama’s friend Valerie Jarrett to replace him in the U.S. Senate.

    Emanuel was uncharacteristically absent from Obama’s news conference this morning. He was spotted two hours later in the lobby of Chicago’s City Hall. He was there to listen to his two children performing in a concert with their school, Anshe Emet.

    A Sun-Times reporter pressed him to comment about whether he was the emissary named in the criminal complaint.

    “You’re wasting your time,” Emanuel said. “I’m not going to say a word to you.(snip)

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    Default Re: Well, the Illinois Governor is 'toast' ... but will fallout land on Obama ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    In order to be "outed" her status had to be S E C R E T. It was classified, yes,

    AMEN!!!

    Read the Congressional transcripts, Plume couldn't even say she was 'covert'. The rationale she was using was deplorable (a General is a General). Just because CNN, liberal media didn't cover/ report it and a right wing media source did, doesn't make it not true.
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    Default Re: Well, the Illinois Governor is 'toast' ... but will fallout land on Obama ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ the REAL question is whether or not (former) special prosecutor Fitzgerald will show equal tenacity in regard to 'process' crimes being committed by democrats involved with Gov. Blago as he did in regard to 'process' crimes being committed by Bush White House aides !!! ??? For instance, Obama lying about not having discussions with the good Governor about appointing a successor for his vacated senate seat. Scooter Libby got years in the slammer for such an offense ... and Fitzgerald has 299 hours worth of wiretap tapes that have yet to be released.

    In truth, I suspect that as a good Democrat Fitzgerald will drop this investigation pronto.






    last time I checked, Bush and Ryan never managed each other's campaigns, never solicited political donations for each other ... and of course Ryan wasn't in a position of appointing Bush's replacement when he became president !
    Patrick Fitzgerald the US attorney was appointed by Peter Fitzgerald (no relation) a Republican as an outsider who would clean up the mess in Illinois. If anyone has a body count I would guess he has put away a lot more Dems than Republicans.
    There is much speculation that the reason Fitzgerald acted when he did was to get this out in the public view before Obama takes office. Everyone wants him out of their hair in Illinois particularly Major Daley who is on Fitzgeralds radar screen. Obama could remove Fitzgerald thus getting the heat off of Daley and others.

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    Default Re: Well, the Illinois Governor is 'toast' ... but will fallout land on Obama ?

    It's the crooks who should be outed.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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