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    I have been to several strip clubs now and am amazed how fast the girls are approaching.

    I have even had two dancers get into a fight over me. There wasn't any violence thank goodness!

    Some of the dancers I have gotten are also getting quite agressive. I could say more but wanted to get some input first.

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    I think so. 10 years ago, I could walk in, get a drink, sit at the bar for 10-15 minutes, loosen up, then start tipping, etc. Now, I get approached within 60 seconds of walking in. It never lets up either. I'll finish with a few LDs, go back to the bar and within seconds, here we go again.

    It makes for a rough night because waiting for a dancer of your choice means you have to reject 2,3,4 of them that try to hustle you the minute you stop moving. Even if you're nice, they often respond with a look of being insulted, pissed or hurt. Some don't let it go either. It's a lot of drama and pressure to deal with when you're just trying to have a good time.

    I get the flip side of it too. I realize times are tough and many have to be aggressive or they don't make jack. I'm sure all dancers would prefer not having to approach customers at all and just have guys throw money at them. Who wouldn't?

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    Yes, I have noticed that girls are less likely to take no for an answer.

    I have an ATF at my favorite club. I visit once a month or so. In the past the other dancers would approach me once and then politely leave when I told them I was waiting for someone else. Now many of them come back a second or even a third time to bug me for a dance while I am waiting for my ATF.
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    Nawww.. Not a sign of times changing! It's CLEARLY an indication of how attractive you are; how your presence commands a woman's attention upon entering the club..

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    Quote Originally Posted by hl1986 View Post
    Nawww.. Not a sign of times changing! It's CLEARLY an indication of how attractive you are; how your presence commands a woman's attention upon entering the club..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave928 View Post
    I think so. 10 years ago, I could walk in, get a drink, sit at the bar for 10-15 minutes, loosen up, then start tipping, etc. Now, I get approached within 60 seconds of walking in. It never lets up either. I'll finish with a few LDs, go back to the bar and within seconds, here we go again.

    It makes for a rough night because waiting for a dancer of your choice means you have to reject 2,3,4 of them that try to hustle you the minute you stop moving. Even if you're nice, they often respond with a look of being insulted, pissed or hurt. Some don't let it go either. It's a lot of drama and pressure to deal with when you're just trying to have a good time.

    I get the flip side of it too. I realize times are tough and many have to be aggressive or they don't make jack. I'm sure all dancers would prefer not having to approach customers at all and just have guys throw money at them. Who wouldn't?
    girls do this because they know if they dont talk to you first, someone else will and that someone else may just end up being the only girl you spend any time or money on. you might be picky but several guys who go into the club are satisfied with ANY of the girls and so they simply go with the first ones who approach them instead of holding out for the oh so perfect type that they are gonna spend their hard earned 20 bucks on. this forces girls to be aggressive because they lose hope that they will be "the chosen one" when the chosen one is really whoever talks to the customer first. now sometimes customers do in fact hold out for a certain girl, but this isnt always the case.
    and the reason girls get insulted when you reject them is because they feel like they are perfectly good looking enough to get a dance from. rejection is basically telling the dancer that she is not attractive enough so no duh she is gonna get offended. if the dancer is not attractive though she might be used to it and understanding. the more attractive the dancer is the more shocked and angered she will be at your rejection

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    You know whats crazy guys, is that I'd say in a number of clubs around here, just the opposite has happened. The income potential is so low that the girls almost always assume that you're another stage gawker, or somebody's regular, until you prove otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpuff View Post
    girls do this because they know if they dont talk to you first, someone else will and that someone else may just end up being the only girl you spend any time or money on. you might be picky but several guys who go into the club are satisfied with ANY of the girls and so they simply go with the first ones who approach them instead of holding out for the oh so perfect type that they are gonna spend their hard earned 20 bucks on. this forces girls to be aggressive because they lose hope that they will be "the chosen one" when the chosen one is really whoever talks to the customer first. now sometimes customers do in fact hold out for a certain girl, but this isnt always the case.
    and the reason girls get insulted when you reject them is because they feel like they are perfectly good looking enough to get a dance from. rejection is basically telling the dancer that she is not attractive enough so no duh she is gonna get offended. if the dancer is not attractive though she might be used to it and understanding. the more attractive the dancer is the more shocked and angered she will be at your rejection
    And we thank you once again PP, for another abrasive post which has little to no bearing on the reality of things whatsoever. Next time, I go to the strip club, I'll keep in mind that its a charity instead of spending my money how I please.
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    I've always thought that the 'aggressiveness' with which dancers approach is down to the dancer/customer ratio.

    If a club has too many dancers on relative to the number of customers, a significant percentage of the dancers are going to leave the club without much of an income.

    That makes 'aggressively' approaching customers a necessity, because 'nice' doesn't pay the bills.

    I've also thought that this is (long term) a good way of diminishing the customer base in a club - if customers get hustled into oblivion every time you they to the club, they'll just find alternative ways of spending their money.

    I also suspect that a club with a poor dancer customer ratio will have a very unhappy dressing room - too many girls competing for too small a pie is going to lead to tensions, if not to fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    And we thank you once again PP, for another abrasive post which has little to no bearing on the reality of things whatsoever. Next time, I go to the strip club, I'll keep in mind that its a charity instead of spending my money how I please.
    I can see what PP is saying, but it could have been expressed a little clearer. I also think it is pertinent.

    PP - a thought: I'm sure you know what you mean, but it can be a little difficult for other posters to work it out without re-reading your posts a couple of times. Maybe a few more minutes editing your posts would make what you're trying to say a little clearer to mere mortals such as I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    You know whats crazy guys, is that I'd say in a number of clubs around here, just the opposite has happened. The income potential is so low that the girls almost always assume that you're another stage gawker, or somebody's regular, until you prove otherwise.


    And we thank you once again PP, for another abrasive post which has little to no bearing on the reality of things whatsoever. Next time, I go to the strip club, I'll keep in mind that its a charity instead of spending my money how I please.
    a charity? that seems more like the mindset of a "PL" than a stripper.
    I guess if you consider 90 percent of strippers ugly i can see why it feels like a charity, but i know now to be super offended when a guy says no because clearly he thinks im ugly and thinks buying a dance would be providing for a "charity." I can totally understand why you guys would say no to ugly girls, but i am simply saying do understand that if you are gonna be a fucking ass who is saying no to gorgeous girls you are bound to get rude remarks, mean stares, or even tears, because quite simply why the fuck would any gorgeous girl not be good enough? dont even give me this BS about "different taste" beauty is beauty no matter what shade it comes in. Im simply explaining why some dancers get offended when you reject them- because you are an overly picky bastard who hasnt looked in the mirror since 1963 and doesnt realize that he doesnt have the right to be so picky.. im simply stating what is going through their head thats all. if an unnattractive person basically flat out said you were too ugly to dance for them you would be offended too...in fact a lot of you guys ARE offended when dancers will not take your number or give you extras because it hurts your ego and makes you think "wtf am i not hot?". it works the other way around too. dancers have egos too...especially the pretty ones.

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    I go in the daytime when things are very relaxed. There is no excessive hustling...just gratitude for my customerly presence, and the money I spend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpuff View Post
    a charity? that seems more like the mindset of a "PL" than a stripper.
    I guess if you consider 90 percent of strippers ugly i can see why it feels like a charity, but i know now to be super offended when a guy says no because clearly he thinks im ugly and thinks buying a dance would be providing for a "charity."
    You completely missed my point. By "charity" I mean it is not the obligation of a customer to walk in to a club, be all non-discriminatory, and be thankful to pay for the attention of the first girl who happens to walk up to him.

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpuff View Post
    I can totally understand why you guys would say no to ugly girls, but i am simply saying do understand that if you are gonna be a fucking ass who is saying no to gorgeous girls you are bound to get rude remarks, mean stares, or even tears, because quite simply why the fuck would any gorgeous girl not be good enough? dont even give me this BS about "different taste" beauty is beauty no matter what shade it comes in.
    I can say no to a gorgeous girl if I want to. And its not about being an ass. I may have made pre-arrangements with another girl who may (or may not) be gorgeous in her own right. I may not like the gorgeous girl's personality. I may just want to scout the other prospects before I buy. This is one of the luxuries the SC affords me.

    In any respect, if a girl whom I turn down is going to get all petulant and snotty about it, it will just confirm to me that I made the right decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpuff View Post
    Im simply explaining why some dancers get offended when you reject them- because you are an overly picky bastard who hasnt looked in the mirror since 1963 and doesnt realize that he doesnt have the right to be so picky.. im simply stating what is going through their head thats all.
    Point taken, but if a stripper takes simple rejection like its an act of war, and thinks every customer who turns her down is only doing so because he's some cretin trying to live out some petty revenge fantasy, then she is clearly in the wrong line of work.

    And an overly picky bastard who hasn't looked in the mirror since 1963 can be selective as he wants when its pay for play. He (or she) is holding the money after all. I assure you that there is not a dancer on this website, who hasn't been turned down by such a guy only to see that guy buying dances with another girl later whom she saw as homelier looking than herself. Such is life in the strip club. I think most dancers have the maturity in due time to realize that such decisions were nothing personal against them, and that there's nothing to be gained in having a cow over it.
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    Woah. This thread got angry. Quickly. O_o

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    You completely missed my point. By "charity" I mean it is not the obligation of a customer to walk in to a club, be all non-discriminatory, and be thankful to pay for the attention of the first girl who happens to walk up to him.


    I can say no to a gorgeous girl if I want to. And its not about being an ass. I may have made pre-arrangements with another girl who may (or may not) be gorgeous in her own right. I may not like the gorgeous girl's personality. I may just want to scout the other prospects before I buy. This is one of the luxuries the SC affords me.

    In any respect, if a girl whom I turn down is going to get all petulant and snotty about it, it will just confirm to me that I made the right decision.


    Point taken, but if a stripper takes simple rejection like its an act of war, and thinks every customer who turns her down is only doing so because he's some cretin trying to live out some petty revenge fantasy, then she is clearly in the wrong line of work.

    And an overly picky bastard who hasn't looked in the mirror since 1963 can be selective as he wants when its pay for play. He (or she) is holding the money after all. I assure you that there is not a dancer on this website, who hasn't been turned down by such a guy only to see that guy buying dances with another girl later whom she saw as homelier looking than herself. Such is life in the strip club. I think most dancers have the maturity in due time to realize that such decisions were nothing personal against them, and that there's nothing to be gained in having a cow over it.
    well of course not...but if the first girl who walks up to you happens to be gorgeous then dont wonder why she cant take rejection when your picky ass rejects her in hopes of something better. if you have made arrangements with another girl thats a different story and you should tell her that and most girls understand, but if you havent then dont be shocked if the dancer gets offended.
    if she gets snotty it means you made the right decision? so if shes nice about it then you made the wrong decision? How do you know that the girl you said yes to wouldnt be snotty if you had said no to her? lol seriously...she probably would have been.. all girls get offended at rejection based on looks alone, some are good at hiding it though and its our job to hide it.
    money is obviously precious to you so it shouldnt be hard to understand that being pretty is precious to a stripper. you think your money makes you a bigshot and lets you call the shots wheras strippers think their looks make them the big shot and lets them call the shots. so understanding a stripper is very similar to just understanding yourself. you are always going to feel like the superior one no matter how little money you have or how ugly you may be. that doesnt change the fact that the other person is going to feel like he/she should be the one to call the shots. the customers who are easy going and dont play this game end up NOT getting offended looks or dealing with drama. so basically if you are gonna play this "i have money that makes me superior so i can be way shallower here than i can ever be in real life" game at a strip club you are gonna get strippers playing the game right back at you and more than likely you are not gonna have a good time.

    "I think most dancers have the maturity in due time to realize that such decisions were nothing personal against them, "
    actually it is. if you pick someone homely after rejecting me it means that either you are a perv and you only picked her cuz she does extras OR that im uglier than homely girl.

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    ^^ Isn't that kind of the point of capitalism? The ability to choose to be picky?

    If I go to a trade show and vendors are throwing themselves at me (I've never been to a trade show...not sure where that came from), then I wouldn't (always) say "yes" to the first one who beckons to me. It's just how our system works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpuff View Post
    if you pick someone homely after rejecting me it means that either you are a perv and you only picked her cuz she does extras OR that im uglier than homely girl.
    So you're saying, if, by some set of circumstances (Divine intervention, blind luck, or whatever), you are working in a club and you consider yourself to be the most attractive dancer there, any and every dancer who makes money off a guy who turned you down is doing extras!? Is there no room in your reality for shades of gray or alternate possibilities? Geez, where's xdamage when we need him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpuff View Post
    and the reason girls get insulted when you reject them is because they feel like they are perfectly good looking enough to get a dance from. rejection is basically telling the dancer that she is not attractive enough so no duh she is gonna get offended.
    It does not make sense for a seller to be offended simply because the seller is turned down by the customer. This happens all the time in every industry. I get turned down in my line of work, even when I know I do a better, faster and cheaper job then my competition. Yeah, it is frustrating, but that's the customer's choice. I feel hurt being rejected. But offended? Nope.

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    if the dancer is smoking hot, but with a bad attitude, it really makes her less appealing and i wont get another dance from her. its all in how you present your whole package (looks, personality, attitude, etc).

    some girls you just click with, and some you dont.

    but also remember, we all have our preferences too. like long legs, long hair, natural headlights, etc.

    if a girl is hot, but has short hair, its not appealing to me. so its not personal at all, just preferences

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpuff View Post
    actually it is. if you pick someone homely after rejecting me it means that either you are a perv and you only picked her cuz she does extras OR that im uglier than homely girl.
    umm, that sounds kinda bitter and self absorbed... don't you think?

    Yea, girls don't want to be turned down but i don't think most of us get upset because we kno the guy thinks we are too ugly or not good enough.... atleast i know i don't... i get upset because that is money lost and times are hard. I would only get offended if he was ass enough to actually say, "no sorry, you aren't good/pretty enough". Or was rude in anyway about it.





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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpuff View Post
    well of course not...but if the first girl who walks up to you happens to be gorgeous then dont wonder why she cant take rejection when your picky ass rejects her in hopes of something better. if you have made arrangements with another girl thats a different story and you should tell her that and most girls understand, but if you havent then dont be shocked if the dancer gets offended.
    if she gets snotty it means you made the right decision? so if shes nice about it then you made the wrong decision? How do you know that the girl you said yes to wouldnt be snotty if you had said no to her? lol seriously...she probably would have been.. all girls get offended at rejection based on looks alone, some are good at hiding it though and its our job to hide it.
    money is obviously precious to you so it shouldnt be hard to understand that being pretty is precious to a stripper. you think your money makes you a bigshot and lets you call the shots wheras strippers think their looks make them the big shot and lets them call the shots. so understanding a stripper is very similar to just understanding yourself. you are always going to feel like the superior one no matter how little money you have or how ugly you may be. that doesnt change the fact that the other person is going to feel like he/she should be the one to call the shots. the customers who are easy going and dont play this game end up NOT getting offended looks or dealing with drama. so basically if you are gonna play this "i have money that makes me superior so i can be way shallower here than i can ever be in real life" game at a strip club you are gonna get strippers playing the game right back at you and more than likely you are not gonna have a good time.

    "I think most dancers have the maturity in due time to realize that such decisions were nothing personal against them, "
    actually it is. if you pick someone homely after rejecting me it means that either you are a perv and you only picked her cuz she does extras OR that im uglier than homely girl.
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    a charity? that seems more like the mindset of a "PL" than a stripper.
    I guess if you consider 90 percent of strippers ugly i can see why it feels like a charity, but i know now to be super offended when a guy says no because clearly he thinks im ugly and thinks buying a dance would be providing for a "charity." I can totally understand why you guys would say no to ugly girls, but i am simply saying do understand that if you are gonna be a fucking ass who is saying no to gorgeous girls you are bound to get rude remarks, mean stares, or even tears, because quite simply why the fuck would any gorgeous girl not be good enough? dont even give me this BS about "different taste" beauty is beauty no matter what shade it comes in. Im simply explaining why some dancers get offended when you reject them- because you are an overly picky bastard who hasnt looked in the mirror since 1963 and doesnt realize that he doesnt have the right to be so picky.. im simply stating what is going through their head thats all. if an unnattractive person basically flat out said you were too ugly to dance for them you would be offended too...in fact a lot of you guys ARE offended when dancers will not take your number or give you extras because it hurts your ego and makes you think "wtf am i not hot?". it works the other way around too. dancers have egos too...especially the pretty ones.

    WTF, I used to think you were Jenny but not even she typed stuff like this, pleaseee tell me you're just typing to be typing and don't really believe any of this

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    WTF, I used to think you were Jenny but not even she typed stuff like this, pleaseee tell me you're just typing to be typing and don't really believe any of this
    The smell of troll cooking on the BBQ is becoming more pungent isn't it? I'd go so far to suggest another poster in this thread is one too, possibly even the same person.
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    believe what? that both customers and the dancers think they are the shit and when they BOTH have this attitude, neither is gonna have a good time? i mean thats just common sense.

    Mia, self absorbed would be to assume the girl MUST be doing extras if a guy picked her over yourself. I am also assuming he must think im ugly, which is usually right as much as we cant get a guy to say that to our face. If i am not his type I am ugly in his eyes. Usually i do not think about it too much and i dont let it get to me, but lets face it, why else would a guy reject a stripper he doesnt know and then get a dance from another stripper he doesnt know? If she is his regular then obviously i know its not about my looks, but if we are both fair game i have to assume the one he picks is more desirable in his eyes. They may not SAY "you are not good enough" but i am sure many of them are thinking it. i mean just look at how many threads on here there are where customers say "if youre ugly im not gonna give you the time of day" or "its my money, im gonna spend it on the hottest girl in the joint."

    It does not make sense for a seller to be offended simply because the seller is turned down by the customer. This happens all the time in every industry. I get turned down in my line of work, even when I know I do a better, faster and cheaper job then my competition. Yeah, it is frustrating, but that's the customer's choice. I feel hurt being rejected. But offended? Nope.
    you are not selling your looks. do you ever hit on women outside the club? dont you get offended when they turn you down? it would be much easier if someone turned me down for a product i am selling than turning down...well ME.

    So you're saying, if, by some set of circumstances (Divine intervention, blind luck, or whatever), you are working in a club and you consider yourself to be the most attractive dancer there, any and every dancer who makes money off a guy who turned you down is doing extras!? Is there no room in your reality for shades of gray or alternate possibilities? Geez, where's xdamage when we need him?
    Dirty ernie, its funny how you were able to quote me yet you were unable to read what i wrote. No i dont assume she is doing extras. I said if i get turned down for a homelier girl it is either because she is doing extras OR because i am more homely than her (at least in his eyes). hell some guys are into fat girls. im not fat and ive had guys come to the club and tip the fat girls and totally ignore me. Am i uglier than the fat girls? probably not in a lot of people's eyes, but in HIS eyes i am totally repulsive and the fat girls are totally smoking hot.

    Do you think it should be mandatory for a customer to spend money on the most beautiful dancer in the club? If so, who decides which dancer is the most beautiful?
    no way, i spend the most money on whoever does the best pole tricks. unfortunately male customers dont give a shit about stuff like that. a lot of customers will spend money on whoever talks to them first. the ones who are picky will spend money on the girl who is the prettiest in their eyes so obviously if they didnt spend it on me after ive asked for a dance its because im not pretty enough for them. and beauty is noncontroversial. there are universal formulas for beauty and some people are universally beautiful. they may not be everyones TYPE but everyone will at least acknowledge that they are beautiful and i have a feeling these type of girls dont hear "no" very often. when they do its because guys probably think "oh shes too pretty shes probably a bitch/wont give a good dance/ wont do extras"

    If I go to a trade show and vendors are throwing themselves at me (I've never been to a trade show...not sure where that came from), then I wouldn't (always) say "yes" to the first one who beckons to me. It's just how our system works.
    you wouldnt say yes because you are holding out for something better. if a guy says no to me its because he thinks there is someone prettier than me available and he is holding out for her. if i was gorgeous the guy would jump at the chance to dance with me because the one time i approach him might be the only chance, even if he had just walked in the door. this is of course assuming the guy isnt waiting for someone else and that he isnt holding out for an extras girl, in which case looks are irrelevant.

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    ^^^ No...there are a hell of a lot of other reasons to say no' than the one you're focusing on.

    Maybe I say 'no' because I don't like the person's personality. Maybe I don't like what he's wearing. Maybe I want to chill out for awhile and I'll come back to the person. Maybe I'm having a bad day and I really feel like telling everyone to go fuck themselves, but instead I say 'no' to the first person who approaches me.

    It's an extremely multifaceted issue that you're approaching with a simplistic viewpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    ^^^ No...there are a hell of a lot of other reasons to say no' than the one you're focusing on.

    Maybe I say 'no' because I don't like the person's personality. Maybe I don't like what he's wearing. Maybe I want to chill out for awhile and I'll come back to the person. Maybe I'm having a bad day and I really feel like telling everyone to go fuck themselves, but instead I say 'no' to the first person who approaches me.

    It's an extremely multifaceted issue that you're approaching with a simplistic viewpoint.
    well obviously personality aside. if a girl is perfectly friendly and you arent waiting for someone else the only reason to say no is because you are holding out for something better. if you want to chill out thats not a no, thats a "come back later"

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post

    It's an extremely multifaceted issue that you're approaching with a simplistic viewpoint.
    I love smart strippers. The eloquence of this handful of words gives me wood which is a rare event indeed.

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