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    sygsyg, I know you feel wronged but you're only taking an egocentric view of the situation. Whether she believed you said "Fuck you" or not, you've already conceded you said "Fuck" which is impolite whether it's followed by the word "you" or not. Now consider the fact waitresses deal with high number of rude, cheap douchebags every night. You may not have committed a serious offense but you very well could have been the straw that broke the camel's back.

    As far as bouncers go, you know they're going to side with their coworkers nine times out of ten. Firstly, there's a good chance they could be friends. Even if they're not, they need to be conscious of maintaining a good working relationship. Secondly, bouncers know that the waitresses deal with a lot of problem customers and are more willing to take the word of a waitress they know than a customer they don't. But more importantly, waitresses likely tip bouncers at the end of the night. It's not like the average bouncer gets paid handsomely so he's going to protect his own self serving interests.

    I know you were annoyed with the waitress harassing you for drinks even though you hadn't finished your first. I'm sure I can safely say all of us custies have been there. But it's her job to sell as many drinks as possible for the club. A lot of clubs have rules such as the half-drink rule where a waitress must approach a patron about another drink if he has half or less than half a drink left. Other clubs have a one drink every 30 mins average rule. I don't know what others think but not being able to finish your first drink 45+ mins (I assumed time had past since you first entered the club to when you had contact with your ATF hence 45+ mins) after entering the club is a little on the unreasonable side IMO.

    One way to get around this hassle is to spend money. Spend money on the girls in regular intervals whether it be buying drinks, getting dances or tipping stages. And by all means, be a generous tipper when tipping your waitress. If a waitress recognizes you as a generous tipper and spender, you'll get A LOT more leeway than the next guy. Again, I'm making assumptions here but it doesn't sound like you were spending any money during that 45+ minute time frame. Whether you knew it or not, you were probably identified as being cheap and neither the waitress or bouncer (as extensions of the club) had an incentive to keep you there since you weren't spending money anyway. I know it was your intention to spend money on your ATF but actions speak louder than words and perception is reality.

    There is nothing to gain by confronting the bouncer and/or waitress. You'll be banned from the club and forgotten a day or two later. There's no way you come out on top at the end of the day. Your best course of action is to apologize to the bouncer AND waitress for the misunderstanding. It's important that you do this if you want to continue to patronize the club in comfort without having to look over your shoulder and having to deal with their eyes on you. Even if you could care less, I never think it's a good idea to burn your bridges. Remember that the club can and will continue to exist without your business so it's on you to suck up your pride in this instance.

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    An interesting tidbit I just thought about....

    If one finishes an 18 ounce drink every half hour because of 'club policies' then after 3 hours, one will have consumed 4+1/2 pints or over one half gallon. Yet at the same time most clubs' toilets are filthy enough that not even my cat would venture into one. Now if that is a 6-7% beer, that customer is likely roaring drunk and will be dangerous on the highways. So, in my opinion, that consumption rate is excessive, stupid, and dangerous. But when did club owners get smart enough and NOT completely one-sided enough to realize it is a big mistake?
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    ahc1978, I thank you for seeing it my way.

    Bob_Loblaw, in my defense, I will say that I have been to this place many times before and I have never been harassed or otherwise been approached in such a way that made me feel like I was "slow-playing" the club before this incident, this waitress and this bouncer. And I maintain that I was not a problem customer at all. Otherwise ... you raise some very good points. I will take them under consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    An interesting tidbit I just thought about....

    If one finishes an 18 ounce drink every half hour because of 'club policies' then after 3 hours, one will have consumed 4+1/2 pints or over one half gallon. Yet at the same time most clubs' toilets are filthy enough that not even my cat would venture into one. Now if that is a 6-7% beer, that customer is likely roaring drunk and will be dangerous on the highways. So, in my opinion, that consumption rate is excessive, stupid, and dangerous. But when did club owners get smart enough and NOT completely one-sided enough to realize it is a big mistake?
    Except that no club forces you to drink an 18 ounce drink every 30 minutes. I can't even remember the last time I saw a glass in a strip club that would hold 18 ounces. Beer in bar bottles is 12 ounces and most draft glasses hold about the same.

    Most clubs have a two drink minimum.

    Strip club bathrooms are what they are. Anyone who goes to strip clubs knows they are going to have to piss in an indoor cesspool. Leave your cat at home where he belongs...
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    I'll refigure the consumption here.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    I'll refigure the consumption here.
    OK but while you are doing that remember that no club mandates that the drink minimum has to be alcoholic beverages. I have been drinking bottled water in clubs for the last seven or eight years and the mark-up on soda is even higher than it is on booze! No club owner will give you dirty looks for drinking a coke.

    Drink minimums are a source of revenue, not a means of club-sanctioned forced intoxication. In the three New England states that I do most of my clubbing in all bartenders and servers undergo mandatory ABC sponsored alcohol awareness training on an ongoing basis. I've seen bartenders at my favorite club cut guys off and then warn fellow bartenders at other bars in the club not to serve the guy. Lest we forget that establishments that serve liquor and their employees can be held legally liable for what some idiot does on the roads after he leaves a club...or clubs.

    Lastly, strip clubs sell booze but so do liquor stores. Retailers are no more to blame for drunk drivers than strip clubs are. Legal ramifications aside, the guy pouring the drink down his throat controls his own destiny.
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    True yoda. I was just trying to help out with the volume consumption idea.

    In my life I have only had one alcoholic beverage in a strip club, a beer, trying out a new brand. Soft drinks are good enough for me but I dont get that thirsty and I hate the toilets. So I'm not a good club customer that way.

    You think the mark-up on soda is high for a club. Percentage-wise the markup on beer, from brewery right thru the club is even higher. Plus it tastes bad after about 15 mins.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    True yoda. I was just trying to help out with the volume consumption idea.
    And I was simply re-directing the blame to where it actually belongs...

    A soda costs the club about ten cents. The last one I bought in a strip club cost me seven dollars. I have no idea how much a comparable size draft beer costs the club but I doubt it's less than that. I don't really care what the brewery makes though I guess I would if I owned a brewery.

    I do agree that a soda tastes like crap after a few minutes. The ice waters it down. This is why I stick to bottled water. Also, I keep it capped so I can walk around with it without spilling it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post

    Lastly, strip clubs sell booze but so do liquor stores. Retailers are no more to blame for drunk drivers than strip clubs are. Legal ramifications aside, the guy pouring the drink down his throat controls his own destiny.
    That is why in New Jersey the rules are so strict in "clubs" that serve alcohol about nudity. Necked women would entice a man to stay longer and drink more then he normally would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl_the_Pearl View Post
    That is why in New Jersey the rules are so strict in "clubs" that serve alcohol about nudity. Necked women would entice a man to stay longer and drink more then he normally would.
    Do you really believe that?

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    Do you really believe that?
    Yes I do and it is so stated in the ABC rules. Now as for if the rules are followed that is another story.

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    Except that no club forces you to drink an 18 ounce drink every 30 minutes. I can't even remember the last time I saw a glass in a strip club that would hold 18 ounces. Beer in bar bottles is 12 ounces and most draft glasses hold about the same.

    Most clubs have a two drink minimum.

    Strip club bathrooms are what they are. Anyone who goes to strip clubs knows they are going to have to piss in an indoor cesspool. Leave your cat at home where he belongs...
    As an aside, I'll offer the observation that the last time that I was in Allure in Atlantic City (2006?), it was absolutely the cleanest strip joint I'd ever seen. I'd even consider taking a dump there, if it's still like that. For what that's worth...

    Anyway. SomeYoung, are you out of your mind? The bouncer's job is to back up the waitress if she stops by and says "that customer over there just grabbed my ass", which is exactly what she could have said to him. The dancer lied that she'd be back. It happens every day. The waitress got impatient that she wasn't getting tips enough that night. That happens, too. The real question is: why is this even the least bit important to you?

    If you're into this dancer, fine. Go back, have a conversation with her about how she makes more money if she tells you the real schedule so that you can still be around to pay her for her time.

    But arguing with the bouncer? Or the waitress? Or some manager? What's that supposed to do but get you kicked out again?
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    Sorry maximvsv, I haven't been around to look at this thread since it got jacked. Getting kicked out is important to me because I've never been kicked out of a club before and I got jammed up over a lie. And you're wrong: My ATF has always gotten back to me. She's good like that, and I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt. That can change of course, but I'm not going to just go in, pay my cover, go up to these people and spit in their faces (no matter if I said I would earlier this thread). I'll let you know when I go back.

    You know, you raise an interesting point (one that may have been raised by someone earlier, and if so I apologize) about the bouncer having to back up the waitress. OK. I understand that. I worked in customer service and I have been a prick and thrown people out before, and it's probable that they may not have done something wrong. But who cares? I'm not on their side, I'm on my side, and my side is all that matters. Am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by someyoungguysomeyoungguy View Post
    But who cares? I'm not on their side, I'm on my side, and my side is all that matters. Am I wrong?
    You're not wrong, unless you'd like to continue to have a good time at the club. Period.

    You're not going to get an apology. You believe that, right? So what is the best case scenario?

    Maybe you nicely, calmly see the waitress again and tell her how rude you felt she was. Maybe she'll say I'm sorry. I think that's about the biggest "victory" you'd have. I'd give no chance the bouncer apologizes.

    On the other hand, maybe she just wanted to forget the whole thing and now you're in her face again. Take a look at your posts in this thread: hasn't it made you a bit defensive and led you to defend yourself? Might not she have the same reaction?

    And if she explains why she thought you were rude -- where does it go from there?

    I see a ton of downside and, imo, NO upside [I'm not at the club for an apology, I'm there for the ATF.] The winning play is to erase it from memory and go back; and if you can't forget, find another club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by someyoungguysomeyoungguy View Post
    I worked in customer service and I have been a prick and thrown people out before, and it's probable that they may not have done something wrong. But who cares? I'm not on their side, I'm on my side, and my side is all that matters. Am I wrong?
    Well, put yourself in the shoes of the folks who kicked you out and ask yourself if "who cares?" still applies. Doesn't sound like so compelling a rationale when you're getting the shit end of it.

    But it's a short time on this here earth. Not enough time to fight every battle, so choose them carefully. On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the most important, holding a grudge over getting kicked out of a club deserves a decimal point in front of it. They've probably kicked a hundred other guys out by now and don't even remember you.
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    I must admit, I like that this thread's still getting action, even if all of you disagree with me.

    Political_Junkie, no, I don't think I'm going to get an apology -- even though I still believe I'm entitled to one. What is a chip on his shoulder mean to you? In this case, it means I'm keeping my antenna up -- trying to see if these two still work there, if they're looking at me, figuring out what I'm going to say if they come up to me. Do you really think it'd be smart of me to just go in the club and assume everything's hunky-dory? I don't. Again, I'm not going to start anything, but I'm going back to a place where I got kicked out, so some vigilance about what could happen to me if these two are still working there seems like the common-sense thing to do.

    doc-catfish, what you say is true, but once again, I'm living my life, not theirs. I may be overreacting in the battles that I fight, but these are my battles, and while I like to think I have the capacity to empathize, at the end we all have to do what is in our best interests and dovetails to our principles. I will not begrudge you the battles you choose to fight; all I ask is that you understand the ones I fight. And this is not to say I'm going to fight. I just hope to walk in, get my dances from my ATF, hope she doesn't think I'm a cocksucker for not getting any LD's from her the last time, explain what really happened, and leave -- without incident. They don't start nothin', there won't be nothin'. That's all. That's all! And hey, you could be right: They may not know who the fuck I am anymore.

    hockeybobby, I am amused that you cosign posts opposing me. It's obvious you still disagree with me, but I'm actually amused that you still care about my plight. Any of your own words you want to add, friend?

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    ^^^

    Methinks there will be a problem - mainly because you're so worked up about it.

    It was an unremarkable incident that happened nearly four weeks ago. Waitress thought you'd been rude to her and got a bouncer to ask you to leave. Probably happened a few more times that night alone.

    If you see the waitress and she says anything to you just apologize and say you had a misunderstanding. Odds are she won't say anything anyway - you're just one of dozens of customers she sees every night she works. Neither will you be the only customer ever upset her. She'll get a dozen smart alec remarks every night.

    Ditto your ATF - just say what happened and I doubt she'll be fussed. You're back and spending on her - which'll be her main priority.

    If you go in there and start glaring at the waitress and/or bouncer all that'll happen is you'll be asked to leave again. No point in that at all.

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    this thread is cracking me up!

    SYGSYG, just go back to the club. No one will remember you aside from your ATF. Seriously, I don't know why this bothers you so much. People get tossed from bars ALL THE TIME. As if the staff can remember one day to the next who they kicked out when there are a half dozen ejections a day.

    The fact that you're obscessing over this situation is odd. Do you obscess over someone flipping you off on the highway? Do you obscess over a rude comment from someone on an internet forum? If you answered yes to either of those, get thyself to a psychiatrist. You may have boderline personality disorder or other mental illness.


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    Quote Originally Posted by someyoungguysomeyoungguy View Post
    I worked in customer service and I have been a prick and thrown people out before, and it's probable that they may not have done something wrong. But who cares? I'm not on their side, I'm on my side, and my side is all that matters. Am I wrong?
    I can see you are a Dale Caranagy graduate of "How to win friends and influence people".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl_the_Pearl View Post
    I can see you are a Dale Caranagy graduate of "How to win friends and influence people".

    I hated Carnegie's book. Strategic pandering is too frustrating for me to adopt as a socialization technique.
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    You know, my brother gave me that Carnegie book a long time ago. Still have the book. Still haven't read it, Earl. I hope he isn't waiting for me all this time to read it and then implement its strategies in everyday life so he'd finally talk to me again.

    OK, maybe I'm overreacting. But Phil-W, I see no reason why I shouldn't be a bit vigilant about what could happen. I don't want anything to do with them, I really don't.

    And Paris (are you supposed to be a Klingon in that picture? Sorry, I feel like a dork for asking), I'm a good boy. Ever since elementary school I've been a good boy. I cried when I got my name on the board. If a boss did that at work I'd probably cry then. I don't get thrown out, and I certainly don't get thrown out for something I didn't do.

    No, I don't obsess over someone giving me the finger on the highway; I either write his license plate number down and file an online report or I don't see it because I'm driving. And no, I don't obsess over a rude comment I receive on an Internet forum because I don't know who those people are and they can't get to me. (You're right, though -- I still may have a mental illness.) The difference is, I considered this bar to be a place I can be safe and secure in, a place where I thought the bullshit I'd have to deal with wouldn't matter in the end, and those two fuckin' shit-don't-stink pricks who work there made me feel like I'm no longer welcome. I go there the past half-decade and suddenly those ass clowns think I'm a troublemaker? I've been there longer than those fuckers!

    So yeah, I guess this still angers me. Any of you, find me a job in this economy and I'll get my ass over to a shrink. Till then, if you guys want, I'll let you know what happens when I go back there. It won't be soon, but it'll be before the end of the year. How's that?

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    Do all of us a favor. Don't go back. even your last post shows you're not ready to let it go. We decent patrons and employees don't need people like you in there. I don't need to be chillin in my booth and have your dumb ass next to me starting shit because you feel you are owed an apology I've worked in many regular bars from the hottest nightclub to the dive bar. I can assure you they really don't give a rats ass about you. They're here to keep the peace. If you are giving the waitress lip what or who's next is the feeling. They don't want to ruin it for those around them. To use a quote of yours " Don't start nuthin won't bre nuthin" hate to tell you homey you started it and got bounced because of it. If you tell the truth and did not do anything stupid then I can be almost sure you are welcome back as long as you behave yourself. Its real simple-their house, you are a guest. be polite no attitudes and you will have a good time. I still think you are not mature enough to get over it and should find something else to do with your money. On the other hand it would be funny to watch you go in there start something again trying to get your apologies and watch you get knocked out.

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    It's unfortunate you choose to take the side of a bitchy waitress with a vendetta and a bouncer who wants to act like he's a real man.

    Let's just see what happens when I go back, 'K?

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    Why? Just because you say they're a "bitchy waitress with a vendetta" and a "bouncer who wants to act like a real man" that last line tells me exactly the type you are. You're the type that feels you can do anything you want in a club and then gets pissed when you get checked. What mommy and daddy not spank your ass enough as a baby. Go get a dom to learn discipline and leave the poor service workers out of it.
    Now before I get flamed I know there are a-holes out there hell I work with some, but what are they 5% ,10% tops so there is at least a 90% chance sygsyg was just being an idiot and doesn't want to man up to what he did. I mean seriously his story correlates to " I was just walking down the street minding my own business, when this car pulls up and these 4 big guys jump out and beat the shit out of me for no reason" I stand by that you haven't left it behind yet and will get knocked the F out trying to demand apologies. BTW you won't her the paramedics laughing at you while they treat you but trust me they will be later.

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    Default Re: Getting Kicked Out

    Quote Originally Posted by someyoungguysomeyoungguy View Post
    It's unfortunate you choose to take the side of a bitchy waitress with a vendetta and a bouncer who wants to act like he's a real man.

    Let's just see what happens when I go back, 'K?
    It's been more than a month and you're still on this?
    ED E’ SUBITO SERA

    Ognuno sta solo sul cuor della terra
    trafitto da un raggio di sole:
    ed è subito sera

    --Salvatore Quasimodo--

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