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    The worst economic crisis in decades has record numbers of strippers showing up in Las Vegas.
    "We've had as many as 400 working at one time," said Shai Cohen, director of marketing for Sapphire, which is billed as the world's largest gentlemen's club.
    An even larger turnout is likely next month when 140,000 convention attendees show up for the annual porn trade show and the Consumer Electronic Show.
    "We have seen a lot of new faces," said Cohen. Before the economy started diving last summer, 250 to 300 girls would arrive at the 70,000-square-foot club.
    "Girls who were in our system from long time ago are returning," he said. The majority of newcomers are driving in from Southern California, he said, with two and three sharing a motel room to cut expenses.
    Tipping is down, he added, and more patrons are using credit cards instead of cash.
    Cohen has heard scuttlebutt that a number of local strip clubs are struggling, but Sapphire's business has remained robust, he said.
    "We have 10 sky boxes that go for $500 an hour and they're being used. We hear people talking about the economy all day, but we haven't noticed a big difference.
    "Las Vegas has been an escape that's been around forever. People need to be entertained."
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    lol, yes, and i'm sure the additional dancers are helping their profit

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    Most of their skyboxes are being occupied by extras girls who hook up the VIP host. I have heard it from more than one girl. The one girl actually told me flat out that she gives blow jobs up there and not one person has ever said anything to her. Another girl told me her friend carries condoms in her purse and charges 1k to F**K up there. She cuts the VIP host $400 and keeps the rest.
    ( I had a customer actually get mad at me because he spent 1k and got only dances.) I also lost a customer too, because he asked me if I had any condoms. I said, Why the hell would I have condoms?? I am a dancer, not a whore.

    And plus they keep raising house fees, drink prices, bottle prices and fining girls.

    So yeah, of course they're still making money.

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    On a side note oneof the clubs I work at here in Vegas just announced that they will now take 20% vs the standard 10% from the entertainers when they redeem dance dollars. Grreat.

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    10% from customer, 20% from dancer

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    ^^^ the 'excuse' for this new practice is that more and more customer credit card charges aren't actually being 'paid' to the club's credit card merchant account by club customers ... both because of club customer bankruptcy filings, as well as club customers disputing the charges. Thus if, say, 1 out of 10 club customer credit card tabs never actually gets paid to the club, in the mind of the clubowners it's only fair that the dancer not get paid either.

    Unfortunately, with the subprime mortgage crisis, with widespread layoffs etc., a 'moral hazard' situation has now been created where an increasing number of Americans are on the verge of being forced to file for bankrupty. Under that situation, it makes absolutely no financial difference to the soon-to-be-bankrupt club customer whether they 'spend' $1000 or $10,000 on one final 'vacation' in Vegas prior to filing for bankruptcy ... because this credit card bill is never going to be paid anyhow. Credit card companies are already trying to cover their own asses in regard to this 'moral hazard' by lowering available credit limits on existing credit card accounts. Unfortunately, businesses that are dependent on credit card spending by customers aren't in the same position ... they want their credit card customers to continue spending, even though the businesses also know that an increasing percentage of credit card dollars will never actually get paid. The situation that clubowners in particular are trying to avoid is one where a soon-to-be-bankrupt club customer racks up, say, a $1000 credit card bill for funny money purchase that never actually gets paid to the club's credit card merchant account ... a development which not only causes the club not to receive their $1000 payment from the customer, but also leaves the club in the hole for another $800 in cash it paid out to the dancer who ultimately cashed in that customer's funny money.

    Of course, the way around this situation is to actually account for how much customer credit card money is being charged on behalf of the club, versus how much customer credit card money is being charged on behalf of the dancer. In this way, only those specific dancers who performed for deadbeat club customers would get 'stiffed' for the specific amount of money that club customer racked up instead of 'spreading the 10% default risk' among all dancers and all club customers. Of course this would also result in an IRS paper trail for each dancer's total earnings which were paid for via customer credit card charges ... thus extremely low risk that dancers would 'push' for this sort of accounting in order to avoid the 10% default risk charge being applied by clubowners across the board.

    note 1 : the 'original' 10% fee extracted from dancer funny money payouts is a separate animal ... the 'excuse' for which is the typical processing fees and accounting costs which accompany the club's credit card merchant account.

    note 2 : given the gov't's huge deficits, as well as a specific congresssional appropriation to the IRS to establish a new enforcement unit for 'adult businesses' (which under their definition includes 'strip clubs'), it is guaranteed that the IRS is going to be paying much greater attention to auditing corporate 'strip clubs' this year. In turn, this creates a STRONG possibility that the corporate 'strip clubs' are going to start doing much more accurate accounting of any 'cash payouts' made to dancers as a result of customer credit card charges. The reasons for this have to do with corporate income tax ... and specifically the booking of 'losses' incurred as a result of non-payment of customer credit card charges. As a result, there is a STRONG possibility that corporate 'strip clubs' will wind up issuing IRS 1099-Misc forms to dancers that received 'cash payouts' from the club, which will accurately report to the IRS the amount of cash that the club paid to the dancer.

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    Ladies.. Get ready for Big Brother to order The clubs to go Cashless and require the Bracelets to be worn by all Adult Entertainers and Servers. That requires you to have a direct deposit account... The Bracelets excepts only a Bank "Cash Debit Card" that automatically takes the house fees and every Lap Dance Percentage and deposits it in the clubs account. Your agency money (Coming before congress "requiring" you to have one) into their account and then your income withholding tax in a tax account. And the remainder will go into your personal account..Available to you in 24hrs..All this is done in a millisecond..
    > OH.. SORRY...Did I Forget The Bracelet Like House Arrest Monitors your Drug/Alcohol and shuts down and Freezes your account. That very moment.. And Reports a Positive Detection for Drugs or over the illegal Blood Alcohol %.. to the Authorities (For your own protection)...
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    > This system I am told is becoming widely use in Europe.
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    > I Can Not Believe it ... But the IRS Claims Dancers And Clubs are not claiming all their
    > CASH income ... 100s even 1000s a day...And Dancers Abusing Drugs and Alcohol.
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    > NOT REPORTING 100% of the Cash.. Abusing Drugs/Alcohol... Tell me it is not SO....
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    ^^^
    Ugh.

    This is exactly why I went job hunting...
    I'm getting my Dial-A-Stripper service up and running again. If you are in NYC or NJ and are interested in private party dancing, email [email protected] with your SW handle, contact info, photo (if you have one) & best time to call and I'll get back to you asap.

    If you're having a party and need strippers, email me with the details and any questions you have. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wray Entertainment View Post
    Ladies.. Get ready for Big Brother to order The clubs to go Cashless and require the Bracelets to be worn by all Adult Entertainers and Servers. That requires you to have a direct deposit account... The Bracelets excepts only a Bank "Cash Debit Card" that automatically takes the house fees and every Lap Dance Percentage and deposits it in the clubs account. Your agency money (Coming before congress "requiring" you to have one) into their account and then your income withholding tax in a tax account. And the remainder will go into your personal account..Available to you in 24hrs..All this is done in a millisecond..
    > OH.. SORRY...Did I Forget The Bracelet Like House Arrest Monitors your Drug/Alcohol and shuts down and Freezes your account. That very moment.. And Reports a Positive Detection for Drugs or over the illegal Blood Alcohol %.. to the Authorities (For your own protection)...
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    > This system I am told is becoming widely use in Europe.
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    > I Can Not Believe it ... But the IRS Claims Dancers And Clubs are not claiming all their
    > CASH income ... 100s even 1000s a day...And Dancers Abusing Drugs and Alcohol.
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    > NOT REPORTING 100% of the Cash.. Abusing Drugs/Alcohol... Tell me it is not SO....
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    I don't see how they can get away with that legally. its an invasion of privacy. if a dancer gets tipsy drinking, and is not driving it shouldn't matter.

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    I'm not discounting the validity of Wray Entertainment's post...but I would really like to see links to the articles and/or public records docs. Til then its just hearsay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AkashaM View Post
    ^^^
    Ugh.

    This is exactly why I went job hunting...

    I don't think its a horrible thing. I am all for getting girls to stop drinking so much! In the long run, maybe it would legitimize the biz a little more?

    HOWEVER, will the bracelets match our outfits? lol

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    My civil liberties being trampled on is a horrible thing...


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    If ANY legislation is approved, I highly doubt it will be a civil-liberties infringing tracking bracelet.

    The government just wants it's share of the tax monies on all the under the table cash flow. It could care less if you are drunk driving. Remember, Heidi Fliess went to jail for tax evasion, not pandering. She even said in her book, "if I had only paid taxes...."
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    Dancers should be claiming their wages anyhow. I don't know how many times we've gone over this. Everyone looks at taxes now to figure out how much you make and how much credit you can afford. If you claim less than what you actually make, most places won't give you much credit - so you are screwing yourself over when you go to apply for loans for things like a car or house. This is exactly why people think dancing is so great, they think that they are making large amounts of money because they forget that they are still responsible for paying taxes out of what they earned. Personally, I wouldn't mind the government stepping in. I bet that if the government starting taking there tax percentage each night a person dances their would be a lot of people who would quit dancing... and more money for the rest of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by britneyireland View Post
    If ANY legislation is approved, I highly doubt it will be a civil-liberties infringing tracking bracelet.

    The government just wants it's share of the tax monies on all the under the table cash flow. It could care less if you are drunk driving. Remember, Heidi Fliess went to jail for tax evasion, not pandering. She even said in her book, "if I had only paid taxes...."
    I agree this type of legislation will die before ever making it to the end user. What should actually be put in place is the Flat Tax which means everybody pays it, and no more income tax, which not everyone pays.
    SO this means every person who consumes durable goods, will pay to include illegal aliens which everyone is complaining about all the time anyways. Just my two cents, or four cents due to inflation!

    Back on track to the article too many entertainers are migrating to Las Vegas and I think the conventionieers will be spending lightly this year so I do not see any great amounts of money being made.

    Ricks is off by 70% right now at its Las Vegas location. Minxx is closed. Many more clubs are way off on yearly gains compared to 2007.
    Vegas tourism is down by 3 million, Gambling profits are off by at least a billion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    Personally, I wouldn't mind the government stepping in. I bet that if the government starting taking their tax percentage each night a person dances their would be a lot of people who would quit dancing... and more money for the rest of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ the 'excuse' for this new practice is that more and more customer credit card charges aren't actually being 'paid' to the club's credit card merchant account by club customers ... both because of club customer bankruptcy filings, as well as club customers disputing the charges. Thus if, say, 1 out of 10 club customer credit card tabs never actually gets paid to the club, in the mind of the club owners it's only fair that the dancer not get paid either.
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    I have a question. When I worked at Scores East in NYC, they had a strict NO Amex rule (obviously due to the charge backs). Anyway, one night I had this WHALE of a trustfund baby that wanted to book me for the entire night. He only had an Amex. Since he was booking me for five or six hours, the club made an 'exception'.

    BUT - it was a wholllle process. Point is, he had to sign all of these contractual things (the kid actually called his dad and read off the text before signing it ). AND (this is where my point/question comes in) they whipped out an ink pad (lol I'll never forget it) and made him put his fingerprint next to each place he signed.

    Why don't clubs just ask custies to put a thumb print next to their signature? Wouldn't that put an end to A LOT of these charge backs and "my card was stolen/it wasn't me" BS?
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    ^^ A lot of clubs DO ask custies to put their thumb next to the signature.. I've seen it plenty of times.

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    ^ yeah, ricks does the thumbprint too. don't know how its affected their chargebacks thou
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    spearmint rhino does the fingerprint thing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Oksana23 View Post
    spearmint rhino does the fingerprint thing.



    I've always thought that the years I have not filed taxes I am sure I more than made up for it in sales tax I paid on every purchase I made at the mall!
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    Ok, but... if the custie puts his fingerprint DIRECTLY next to his signature, how can he deny it (aside from "I was sooooo drunk I didn't know what I was signing")? I mean, it's a FINGERPRINT...!
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    Thats why clubs usually win those chargebacks with the fingerprint next to the signature.

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    Two things:

    1) CNBC just had a major negative report on Las Vegas Economy this morning, and how its not going to turn around anytime soon.

    2) Off subject:

    When I managed clubs I had to deal with the thumb print scenario many times explaining it to the cutomer and then to the credit card company when the customer disputed the charges.

    The thumb print works to a point. It usualy irritates the customer that they have to give the thumb print. Then if it is challenged the club has to prove that his thumb print is the actual one that was taken when the charges were made.

    This means the club has to take the customer to court. Not many clubs are willing to take someone to court over a charge back, plus the reputation that the club gets from the charge card company and the customers.

    The thumb print is an up front intimidation factor. Some times it works, some times it does not.
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    Are any of us vegas dancers even making decent money anymore?

    I wasn't a few months ago that's why I quit until march when I turn 21 to hopefully make decent money again at an over 21 club.

    It just seems everyone all of a sudden wants to strip and it makes it harder on us that actually are making a career out of this.

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