any one finding their takings are getting less with this global recession
makes me think what i going to do once i can't strip any more
marry rich i think![]()
any one finding their takings are getting less with this global recession
makes me think what i going to do once i can't strip any more
marry rich i think![]()





^^^ well, the financial uptake on metro New York area club earnings is that this year's huge losses by major Wall St. banks, on the US stock markets, in corporate profits, etc. has already led to significant declines in earnings potential. This isn't surprising given that the customer base of most New York clubs was heavily dependent on those bankers, brokers, corporate executives, other professionals related to these industries (i.e. accountants, attorneys) for many of the total customer dollars spent. And to make matters worse, the cutbacks in consumer credit plus cutbacks in employment levels (or fear of future cutbacks) has reduced the number of 'middle class' club customers ... both via a reduction in tourism to the NY area and in a reduction of mid-level staffing at New York banks, brokers, and other corporate hq's, accounting firms, corporate law offices etc.
The issue for exotic dancers of course is that we are considered to be a 'luxury item', thus one of the first 'expenses' to be cut back when financial pressures increase. Those increasing financial pressures force (former) club customers to spend whatever discretionary money they still have available on more 'essential' budget items like mortgage payments, car payments, insurance payments, taxes etc. Those increasing financial pressures have also created a psychological mindset with customers who still have money to spend in clubs that their money is now 'more valuable' than it used to be ... which has translated into many customers now expecting to receive more 'bang for their buck' from dancers (sometimes in the literal sense !). This in turn now serves as a 'double whammy' for those dancers whose private dance / VIP room / after hours OTC menu does not include 'banging' customers !!!
From your siggy I see that you are from Australia. Thus you have another problem to deal with that US dancers have yet to face ... a rapidly declining international exchange rate for your 'home' currency. Like the Canadian $, the Russian Ruble etc. the Aussie Dollar is heavily tied to commodity prices since your country is a large commodity exporter ... and virtually every commodity has recently dropped like a stone. The side effects typically show up in the form of higher interest rates for the 'home' currency, of higher prices for 'world market' commodities like food and energy as measured in the declining 'home' currency, of rapidly rising local unemployment due to declining demand for commodities causing shutdowns of commodity based export industries etc. Together, these side effects usually result in locals being pressured to divert yet more of their 'discretionary budgets' towards making loan payments, towards paying higher food and energy bills, towards 'saving' or paying down debts in preparation for possible future unemployment / underemployment etc. And like America, spending money at 'strip clubs' is always one of the first areas to be cut back.
Yes, I believe the economy is definitely hitting the Aussie clubs hard. I made more money during the "quiet' January-March period at the start of 2008 than during the "busy" Christmas period at the end of 2008. I have also noticed that the Annual dancer migration where girls change clubs after Christmas has started immediately. Usually they take a break after Christmas and try a new club mid Jan.
I have also noticed the standard of ladies has dropped considerably too. Not only am I not feeling so paranoid about my "mummy tummy" and extra 5 kilo's that refuse to shift. I'm actually feeling a little cocky and quite good about my looks, because unlike the influx of saggy young girls, I have 3 kids and a bit of age to excuse my less than fantastic body.![]()
With the economy the way it is, I wonder how long Sydney's PP, MG etc. can maintain their way-above-average rates. I mean, I take peoples' money for a living too but it's robbery. If I fly to Adelaide, go to Crazy Horse, and fly back, 2 dances still works out cheaper, I thinkPP/MG have a monopoly on non-digusting extra-filled strip clubs in Sydney, though... is that keeping the girls there solvent? Hmm. Go the free market.
Once again, the conservative, sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor
- Dr John Zoidberg





^^^ I don't know enough about the upscale Aus club scene to comment intelligently. However, I will draw the following analogy. No matter how bad an economy gets, there will ALWAYS be a certain percentage of people that still have more money than they know what to do with. And while that percentage is tiny, the total amount of dollars such well-heeled people can spend is not. Thus even if some number of uber-rich people are scammed by Bernie Madoff investments, or lose money on a particular business venture, they STILL have a s#!tload of money - and thus are NOT going to change their uber-rich lifestyle.
This is a very different situation from working class / middle class people who face increased financial strain in a bad economy. Thus they have little choice but to change their lifestyle to avoid bankruptcy.
In practical terms, let's try making an analogy between exotic dancers and new cars. A car dealer like GM or Toyota is going to see a major decline in sales. The reason of course is that the working class customers simply cannot afford to spend any money on a new car. Middle class customers, while technically still able to buy a new car, choose not to do so because they are fearful that economic conditions may get even worse in the future than they are now - or put another way they view spending $20k-$30k as a major amount of money. Thus sales of GM or Toyota cars fall off the proverbial cliff, and with it the earnings of GM and Toyota dealers which may be cut in half. Arguably this can be directly equated to clubs that cater to the same working class / middle class customers, and the dancers working in them.
On the other hand, Porsche and Maybach dealers see far less reduction in sales ... in both dollar terms and percentage terms. The reason of course is that their uber-rich customer base doesn't view spending $200-$300k on a new car to be a huge amount of money. Thus while sales may decrease somewhat, it is only likely to decline by 25% or so (as opposed to the 50% decline above). But a very significant fact is that where uber-rich customers are concerned, there is no way they are going to substitute a Toyota Camry for a Porsche or substitute a Cadillac for a Maybach !
Thus in terms of upscale clubs, as long as the girls working in those clubs meet the Porsche and Maybach standard, uber-rich customers are going to continue spending nearly as much money as they did previously. On the other hand, girls working in blue collar / middle class clubs are likely to experience a major reduction in overall earnings ... and particularly so if they are not offering 'high mileage' !
Some of my colleagues are anticipating the second hand yacht price around here to drop off a bit, FWIW
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Once again, the conservative, sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor
- Dr John Zoidberg
I am an agent for private party strippers, and business is definately up, especially in the Rocky Mountain states. Dallas and Phoenix are down and Houston and Austin are up. Florida is off to a slow start, but we are having some trouble finding reliable managers/ dancers there. Business in the Pacific Northwest is nearly non-existent, but that is typical for this time of year.
Year over year we are doing much better for 2008 than we had previously. I've been with this agency for many years, first as a dancer now as a scheduler. We hired more office personnel this year to handle the increased workload, so this is promising.
My guess is that people are sick of the clubs. There are too many girls working, many are desperate for cash and push the customers to spend more than they are comfortable with. The door prices are high, the drink prices are high, and stage tipping has all but disappeared in many places. The number of guys who play the "high roller" can't afford to do so anymore.
Hiring a couple of girls to come out to a house party for $500 is much more affordable for most groups. I've been getting a lot of non-bachelor party bookings lately. Frat houses hire girls regularly. There have been a lot of going-away or welcome-home type parties. There has been a surprising number of "no-reason" parties lately, too.
The forecast for stripper related businesses in 2009 (according to me):
Clubs: Down
Private parties: Up
Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!





^^^ I would add that you're partly right in regard to customers being sick of clubs where the dancers now outnumber customers and where 'sales pressure' makes the club visit rather uncomfortable for guys on a tight budget.
But I would also kick in several other reasons that 'private parties' are on the increase while club clientele is on the decrease ...
A - cost savings ... no cover charge, no mandatory two overpriced watered down drinks for each and every guy
B - bust risk ... extremely little chance of a 'one time' private party being busted, even if 'illegal' activities are taking place
C - no smoking and public intoxication laws are not a factor
C - immunity ... after the Duke Rape Case charges were thrown out by the judge and millions were paid out in defamation of character settlements, guys at a private party are now pretty much immune from any potential charges being brought against them by a 'stripper'.
So maybe it's like the music industry, where increasing supply and low barrier for entry of small players are rendering the extra cost of a middleman unsustainable and unnecessary
Once again, the conservative, sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor
- Dr John Zoidberg





^^^ I would agree, person, that you are on the right track with that comparison as well ... particularly so in respect to the 'artist' rather than the middle-man having to deal with increased risk





Let's keep the facts straight.
The charges were dismissed by the Attorney General after the District Attorney recused himself. The Attorney General determined that the charges were false and that the defendants were actually innocent. The AG's report shows that there was little dancing, less than five minutes, involved. Further, the AG's report shows that what little evidence there was of an assault points to other people in a different place.
Immune? If by immune you mean having to pony up over $3,000,000 dollars in defense costs, to defeat blatantly false charges is immune, then guys are. The truth is, had those boys not had well off parents who could come up with serious money, they would be in prison right now even though they were demonstrably innocent. Those aren't odds I like.
The settlements so far obtained have done nothing more than put the guys in the position they would have been in had Duke University not actively aided in framing them for crimes that never took place.
HTH
Z





^^^ well, to keep matters in perspective, it cost Duke University a LOT more money to settle with the 'falsely accused' students than it would have if Duke University had not backed the 'false' accusation of the dancer in the first place. My point about immunity was meant to raise the likely point that even if accusations of an actual rape were to take place at a private party these days, A. the people responsible for the party venue (i.e. frat house, bar, whatever) are extremely unlikely to report the incident out of fear of a Duke-like lawsuit by those accused, and B. that local LE are extremely unlikely to believe the word of a couple of 'strippers' over the word of a dozen well-heeled private party goers ... at least in cases where no hard evidence is available to back up the 'strippers' claim.
Or to put it bluntly, these days in the absence of blatant injuries or a video tape, a dancer attempting to bring rape charges based only on a private party goer's sperm sample is extremely unlikely to get any farther than the filing of an initial police report. THIS is the increased immunity I was referring to on the part of private party goers. The guys are simply going to claim that (paid) sex was consensual, the owners of the venue are going to plead ignorance, the local cops are going to laugh at the 'dumb strippers' who again appear to be trying to extort money out of well-heeled private party attendees by making a false rape accusation, the local police are going to be reluctant to make any arrests, and the DA is going to refuse to press charges.





Your conclusions are still drawn from a flawed reading of the evidence in the lacrosse hoax.
First, there were still photos showing clearly that the accused were not involved in sex of any variety. Mostly it showed them doing mundane things like getting money out of the ATM blocks away from the scene of the alleged rape. The photos clearly showed a lack of physical injuries and the photos showed a very short time period where anything could have happened.
There was DNA evidence. All of which showed that none of the lacrosse team made a deposit in or on the false accuser.
The only evidence of injury was a "finding" by a nurse that there was slight bruising around the vagina.
Lastly, the accuser could not or would not tell the same story twice about the alleged rape.
In spite of all this, the local police and the DA elected to proceed with criminal charges. In spite of policy to the contrary, the Duke University elected to cancel the lacrosse season and suspend three players. Not much in the way of immunity. The only lesson here is that police and prosecutors can rampantly ignore the facts when it suits them and the only way to stop that is with a huge application of money. Hardly immunity.
HTH
Z
I think what Melonie is saying is that one dancer making false accusations reflects badly on all dancers, even ones that have legit complaints.
Public opinion of strippers isn't exactly one of respect. Since the whole Duke Lacrosse situation turned out to be a hoax, this has only made the hurdle for strippers even higher and will cause strippers who have been genuinely harmed at work to have to overcome the stigma of the little boy that cried wolf.
People love their stereo-types. The stripper for the Duke guys didn't do any dancers any favors by living up to the stereo-type.
Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!





^^^ there you go ! Thanks for the concise overview. And indeed there are two aspects which apply. The first is, as Paris points out, the aftermath of the Duke Lacrosse incident having created a situation where a stereotype now exists that any 'stripper' attempting to claim she was raped / assaulted / otherwise victimized by private party goers is likely to be both lying as well as acting in her own financial self-interest. The second is that, unlike a clubowner, the proprietor of a frat house / bar / private residence where a private party is being held has no particular obligation to protect any 'stripper', but DOES have a self-interest of protecting themselves from possible Duke-like lawsuits should it facilitate or encourage the prosecution of private party goers in the absence of blatant physical evidence backing up a 'stripper's claim.





Unfortunately, that was not what she wrote. I tend to agree, Crystal's attempt at a shake down definitely reflected badly on all of us. Although, I would disagree with the characterization of her as a stripper.
Given how much deference was paid to Crystal's claim, I don't agree that the hurdle has been raised. I rather see it where it should have been all along. Prosecutors and police should not accept one person's word at face value when there is ample evidence to the contrary.Public opinion of strippers isn't exactly one of respect. Since the whole Duke Lacrosse situation turned out to be a hoax, this has only made the hurdle for strippers even higher and will cause strippers who have been genuinely harmed at work to have to overcome the stigma of the little boy that cried wolf.
Here, we agree completely.People love their stereo-types. The stripper for the Duke guys didn't do any dancers any favors by living up to the stereo-type.
Z
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