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    I work at a popular very crowded topless club and need the guys to weigh in on what I am doing wrong.

    The problem: guys like me more before I talk to them, after a conversation its like I lose that "mystique" that my looks have primed them for. I grew up tall and AWKWARD so I guess I developed a girl next door personality that has stuck with me in my adult years. I have been told that I look like a trophy wife but when I talk I am very girl next doorish/mousy. I come off as super nice and sometimes I even bore myself. I talk too long before asking for a dance and even though I have been at this for five years I am still painfully shy on the approach; each and every approach! The reason this is especially bad in my club is that its a club where you must approach many people and do so quickly; I can't even justify "wanna dancing" guys because I feel as though I must first make them like me---think first date conversation at a strip club. It's like I don't have that Bitch factor that subconsciously tells guys that I'm worth it and don't waste my time.

    Most nights I walk out with 200 hundred or less when the oppurtunity was there to make 5 or 600. Keep in mind that my club runs at least 300 girls a night; no one else works like I do; they are using one or two lines and sometimes sitting on their lap for a song if they seem like they will go in the Vip room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lklucky View Post
    I talk too long before asking for a dance and even though I have been at this for five years I am still painfully shy on the approach; each and every approach! The reason this is especially bad in my club is that its a club where you must approach many people and do so quickly; I can't even justify "wanna dancing" guys because I feel as though I must first make them like me---think first date conversation at a strip club. It's like I don't have that Bitch factor that subconsciously tells guys that I'm worth it and don't waste my time.
    You have already justified "wanna dancing" guys. You want to make more money, and you have perfectly identified why you aren't, and how you can. Try it for a week and let us know how it goes. Good luck...you can do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lklucky View Post
    The problem: guys like me more before I talk to them, after a conversation its like I lose that "mystique" that my looks have primed them for....when I talk I am very girl next doorish/mousy.
    Guys come in with a stereotype of a dancer in mind - exhibitionistic, high sex drive, etc. By coming over as 'girl next door' you're not matching the stereotype and losing the chance to get dances from them. They're not interested in you being super-nice, they want to think you're getting horny dancing for them. They want to buy an illusion, and you're not supplying it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lklucky View Post
    ...even though I have been at this for five years I am still painfully shy on the approach; each and every approach!
    Why? This isn't real life - it's the smoke and mirrors of a strip club. The persona you portray in a strip club does not have to be anything like you in reality. Regard yourself as an actress playing a role - go in to work and feel free to behave totally different to real life.

    So what if you behave outrageously and leave the club thinking "damn, I behaved like a fool". It's not the real world and your friends and family won't know what you behaved like. It's just work and you can leave behind any such thoughts along with your costume.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lklucky View Post
    I can't even justify "wanna dancing" guys because I feel as though I must first make them like me...It's like I don't have that Bitch factor that subconsciously tells guys that I'm worth it and don't waste my time.
    You're an entertainer and guys pay to be entertained. Straight question for you - is it worth $20 to see you stripped down to a thong? If the answer is yes, then each and every guy you dance for has had full value.

    So, it's not a case of making them like you - it's a case of you saying to yourself "it's worth $20 to see me topless" and making the sale on that basis.

    Phil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeybobby View Post
    You have already justified "wanna dancing" guys. You want to make more money, and you have perfectly identified why you aren't, and how you can. Try it for a week and let us know how it goes. Good luck...you can do it.

    Yeah I have justified the quick sell; Day 1 of it did well, thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W View Post
    Guys come in with a stereotype of a dancer in mind - exhibitionistic, high sex drive, etc. By coming over as 'girl next door' you're not matching the stereotype and losing the chance to get dances from them. They're not interested in you being super-nice, they want to think you're getting horny dancing for them. They want to buy an illusion, and you're not supplying it.

    Yes, Yes, I did this last night; I was the horny dancer and closed very good sales and also had one guy asking to extend the VIP session---this really works and you are right they want to a buy an illusion from someone who is supplying it. Thank you



    Why? This isn't real life - it's the smoke and mirrors of a strip club. The persona you portray in a strip club does not have to be anything like you in reality. Regard yourself as an actress playing a role - go in to work and feel free to behave totally different to real life.

    I needed to really take this in; that I am an actress playing a role; no judging the character I am playing.

    So what if you behave outrageously and leave the club thinking "damn, I behaved like a fool". It's not the real world and your friends and family won't know what you behaved like. It's just work and you can leave behind any such thoughts along with your costume.

    This is great


    You're an entertainer and guys pay to be entertained. Straight question for you - is it worth $20 to see you stripped down to a thong? If the answer is yes, then each and every guy you dance for has had full value.

    Yeah I like how simple the logic is and of course its worth 20!!!(lol)

    So, it's not a case of making them like you - it's a case of you saying to yourself "it's worth $20 to see me topless" and making the sale on that basis.

    Phil.

    Thank you Phil, you helped me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lklucky View Post
    Thank you Phil, you helped me.
    My pleasure.

    Phil.

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    There really isn't much to add here. hb and Phil were spot on.

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    In North New Jersey "clubs" they don't talk they just grab one by the dick and drag them away. The dick grab works 90% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lklucky View Post
    I work at a popular very crowded topless club and need the guys to weigh in on what I am doing wrong.

    The problem: guys like me more before I talk to them, after a conversation its like I lose that "mystique" that my looks have primed them for. I grew up tall and AWKWARD so I guess I developed a girl next door personality that has stuck with me in my adult years. I have been told that I look like a trophy wife but when I talk I am very girl next doorish/mousy. I come off as super nice and sometimes I even bore myself. I talk too long before asking for a dance and even though I have been at this for five years I am still painfully shy on the approach; each and every approach! The reason this is especially bad in my club is that its a club where you must approach many people and do so quickly; I can't even justify "wanna dancing" guys because I feel as though I must first make them like me---think first date conversation at a strip club. It's like I don't have that Bitch factor that subconsciously tells guys that I'm worth it and don't waste my time.

    Most nights I walk out with 200 hundred or less when the oppurtunity was there to make 5 or 600. Keep in mind that my club runs at least 300 girls a night; no one else works like I do; they are using one or two lines and sometimes sitting on their lap for a song if they seem like they will go in the Vip room.
    I was at the Spearmint Rhino a few months back. There was a girl that was probably 6 feet tall before putting on the heels. Are you her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeUnCool View Post
    I was at the Spearmint Rhino a few months back. There was a girl that was probably 6 feet tall before putting on the heels. Are you her?

    No I'm 5 7" before heels and I have switched to the shortest heels I can get away with.

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    I don't spend much time sitting at the rail. Although I will leave a tip for any girl that catches my eye. Most dancers do not pay much attention to anyone who is not sitting at the rail, it is even difficult to get eye contact with a dancer, on stage, unless I am front and centre. I too am a bit shy. I am flattered when a dancer will establish eye contact with me and pretend, if only for a few seconds, that I am the only guy in the room. So if you see me sitting at a table, make me feel that I'm an OK guy, then stop by after your set and it will surprise you what a push over I am.

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    The several comments above reflect my view. We don't need to "like" you before asking for a dance or before accepting a "wanna dance?" from you. We need to "want" you. There's a difference.

    You say how hard you work. We believe it. And I might personally appreciate your approach. GenWar might appreciate it, too. But I'd rather a dancer tease and flirt with me, but that's not the same as having a long heart-to-heart. Ok to leave that until after the sale and delivery of the anticipated dance, but only if your partner seems to wish some conversation AND such additional conversation might be good marketing for subsequent visits. So advance research -- your leading questions about the customer's preferences, what you overhear, which other dancers the customer might prefer, etc. -- is helpful. But convert the sale quickly, qualify him for more dances, for future dances, and move on.

    The one exception is when you've already qualified regulars who like to talk. They need some care and feeding, but even so, no (good) customer will wish to take up your time. Concentrate ALWAYS on (1) closing the deal, (2) providing the desired service, (3) providing not much more unless essential marketing time, etc., (4) making the customer feel served.

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