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    So last night was my first night at a new club. I got off stage and went to talk to the guy who tipped me the most. I sat down next to him at the stage, thanked him and introduced myself, and then the girl on stage came over. She pointed over my head and said "You need to go back". I didn't know what the hell she was talking about so I just looked at her, and then she started clapping her hands in my face and yelling "GO BACK TO THE BAR. I WOULDN'T DO IT TO YOU SO DON'T DO IT TO ME". I knew that if I said anything back to her, it would end with me punching her stupid teeth out, so I just got up and went outside to smoke.

    After talking to another dancer about it, I found out that, at this club, it's considered "bad etiquette" to approach customers at the stage. Yelling at a new girl in front of customers however, seems to be just fine.

    I don't know how to deal with this rule. What if a guy asks me to sit at the stage with him? Am I supposed to tell him no? This club has a really huge stage too, so what about the times when most of the customers in the club are sitting at the stage? I should just sit around by myself making nothing so the girl on stage can get an extra one dollar?

    The craziest part is that I ALWAYS make sure that the guy I'm sitting with at the stage continues to tip while I'm there. If I take him for a dance, I make sure that he throws her at least a five first. That girl would have made MORE money with me sitting there than she did without.

    Do you guys think it's rude to approach guys at the stage?
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    Normally sitting at the stage is considered bad etiquette if:

    1.) The customer didn't invite you
    2.) You weren't just on the stage

    Obviously if you were on the stage and a guy was tipping a lot you are going to go talk to him.

    I think you need to talk to the manager. I wouldn't say which girl you had the issue with, just tell the manager what happened. It sounds like all of the dancers there need to be reminded of proper etiquette and that they are there to entertain - not start fights with others.
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    I couldn't tell the manager who it was even if I wanted to. All I remember about her now is that she had brown hair. I think it's my brains way of protecting me from going to jail for beating her down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post

    Do you guys think it's rude to approach guys at the stage?
    Actually, I do. I think the girl shouldn't have been clapping and all that in front of you though. That's just grounds for an asswhopping Anywho, in the future, when you receive the tip, ask him if he wants company or whatever and tell him to sit away from the stage. Problem solved.







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    I guess that's what I'll have to do. It just seems sort of silly to me though. I'd much rather have a girl sitting with a customer at my stage where he could still tip me. If I'm telling the dude to leave the stage so we can talk, the girl on stage gets nothing. Theres also the possibility that when I leave the dude, he won't go back to the stage. Then all the girls miss out on tips that they would have gotten if I hadn't been forced to pull him away.

    I've never worked at a club like this before. In New Orleans, any customer without a girl sitting next to him is fair game. I always thought the whole point of stage was to get seen and figure out who was interested in you for dances. Not to make an extra 4 dollars.
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    I used to strongly believe in the idea of staying away from customers at the stage unless they asked me to sit with them.

    However, given the way things at my club have been lately, plus the complete and total lack of etiquette from any of the new girls coming in, my approach has changed slightly.

    Now, I will approach a guy at the stage in one of the following situations:

    a) he asked me to join him
    b) he was tipping me a lot on stage and I just got off
    c) he was tipping me earlier on stage and i was busy when i got off...i will go back to him later
    d) there are no other free customer in the club (this happens when we have more girls than customers)

    However, I still try to avoid it if possible, and when i do it, I make sure the guy tips the girl on stage and then try to leave for a dance as girls are leaving the stage so i a not just stealing him from her while the show is going on.

    The girl on stage was actually, in my opinion, way more out of line than you were. She sounds like a bitch.

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    The only time I've seen girls go up and sit with guys at the stage (without being asked or having just been on stage) is in Vegas at the Spearmint Rhino. I thought it was rude, but a majority of the dancers there were doing this... so I suppose it was fair game for all.
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    I always sit with guys at the stage along with several other girls. I would say that as long as you are not stealing attention away from the girl on stage f' them (I have to give myself credit tonight we had one guy sitting at the stage and a dancer layed on the tip rail blocked me from dancing for him to talk to him - I totally would have killed her except she's preggo.

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    Wow, guess it strongly depends on the club.

    When I worked go-go, the stage was behind a bar, so if you wanted to sit at the bar and chat up customers you had no choice but to sit "stageside"

    At my current club, the only seats available to customers are those ringing the stage. There's no bar, so the club wants to ensure that all customers in the club must sit at stage and therefore tip. If we couldn't sit at the stage and chat them up, there'd be no talking to customers at all. The only time it's really bad form is if there's only one guy at the stage. Even then it's been known to happen, so long as the custy tips whomever's on stage before leaving for a dance.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    The only time I've seen girls go up and sit with guys at the stage (without being asked or having just been on stage) is in Vegas at the Spearmint Rhino. I thought it was rude, but a majority of the dancers there were doing this... so I suppose it was fair game for all.
    Nights or days? I have recently elected to do days there and I haven't seen that.

    To the OP: Sitting at the stage would piss me off. But I would have come down and spoken to you privately about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mediocrity View Post
    Nights or days? I have recently elected to do days there and I haven't seen that.
    I think that was Sunday night after the AEE.

    FYI I'll be back in Vegas mid Feb. You should let me know when you're working and I'll try to stop in.
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    WOW, so what if you came up to him? What is this BITCH gonna tell you, not to thank a customer that gave you great tips? I wouldn't leave, stay by the custie and would whisper in his ear "can you tell her that you want me here?" or take him away from the stage alltogether. She deserves it for the lack of manners. I agree that the stage is for show purposes only, to see who is interested in you and get them for dacnes, not to make 3 dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlyMIA View Post
    WOW, so what if you came up to him? What is this BITCH gonna tell you, not to thank a customer that gave you great tips? I wouldn't leave, stay by the custie and would whisper in his ear "can you tell her that you want me here?" or take him away from the stage alltogether. She deserves it for the lack of manners. I agree that the stage is for show purposes only, to see who is interested in you and get them for dacnes, not to make 3 dollars.
    Carly, I do like like you but WTFFFF. Take him away from the stage? Whisper in his ear? No. First of all, if you whisper, the girl onstage is going to get even more pissed off because she is going to think you are talking crap about her. Secondly she's going to be irate when you lead him away.

    What I do is this: If a guy tips me well on the stage, I sit in front of him while still on the stage and ask him if he'd like some company when I complete my stage show. If he says yes, I mention for him to go grab us a spot. I think that way creates the least amount of conflict. But to wait for the next girl to create your diversion is flat out rude.

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    If she claps in my face and says "YOU NEED TO LEAVE". I will take the customer with me. It's that simple. Don't mess with my money.

    I cant say to go grab us a spot (in my current club), it's just way too small. Most of the tables are taken and many times the guy would want to be at the stage with girls. I'm just relating this situation to my club and that's how I would handle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bella du jour View Post
    Wow, guess it strongly depends on the club.

    When I worked go-go, the stage was behind a bar, so if you wanted to sit at the bar and chat up customers you had no choice but to sit "stageside"

    At my current club, the only seats available to customers are those ringing the stage. There's no bar, so the club wants to ensure that all customers in the club must sit at stage and therefore tip. If we couldn't sit at the stage and chat them up, there'd be no talking to customers at all. The only time it's really bad form is if there's only one guy at the stage. Even then it's been known to happen, so long as the custy tips whomever's on stage before leaving for a dance.
    This is exactly how the setup is at my club. If you want to sit, you HAVE to sit at the stage, so if it's not a busy night, most of the customer's at the stage have a girl sitting with them. It doesn't really bother me though, the guys still tip anyway, and the girl sitting with him will usually encourage him to tip a little extra and I'll encourage him to take the girl he's sitting with to do a private dance, so we kinda help each other out. All clubs are different, though.

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    At my club we are not allowed to sit at the stage with customers.

    One other club I worked at was flexible with it, although it got annoying and slightly awkward when girls where trying to hustle customers while you were trying to make your tips on stage as well. I never sat at the stage, but some girls were nice enough to have the guy leave a couple dollars if they took him away to the VIP. I prefer it when girls are not allowed to sit at the stage.

    If I guy is tipping me well on stage, I just quickly explain it's bad etiquette to take guys away from the stage so I tell them to meet me at the VIP entrance after my set is over.

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    I think that it depends on the club. Some girls will come UNDONE on you for doin this, just be aware. It's a risk. I personally find it pretty rude. When a new dancer graces the stage, it's HER turn to shine and connect with the customers... not be some "sexual prop' in the connection which is taking place between the previous girl and the custy at the rack. When you are engaging a customer in conversation, they are "with you" and generally do not wish to be interrupted. This is HER time to entice everyone at the rack. And the guy you are sitting with... he has already been enticed! By you! Why would you feel as if it's ok to conduct your hustle at another girls rack? another girl, who OBVIOUSLY is not friendly with you?

    I have seen some girls who are friends kind of working together, via sitting at each others rack with guys. Perhaps engaging the "naughty two girl fantasy"angle. You need to be aware who is gonna be alright with this behavior before doin it. I definately do not agree on how the dancer onstage went about voicing her displeasure with your sitting there. That was just BEYOND fucking rude. However, you will learn that some strippers are just batshit crazy, insanely jealous of new girls, and tend to get away with shitty behavior if they are kissing the appropriate asses. Maybe in her opinion those two seats could be filled with a couple of custies who are ready to give their undivided attention to her.I have also know girls who are simply uncomfortable with a co worker at her rack. Maybe she didn't want you staring at her vagina!

    It's even more rude IMO, when a dancer plucks em from the rack to go for a private dance. WTF! That is a cardinal stripper sin in a lot of clubs I have worked at in Oregon.

    If I have a connection with a customer and suspect I can hustle them for a dance, I have them meet me at the bar after my stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anneholl View Post
    Why would you feel as if it's ok to conduct your hustle at another girls rack? another girl, who OBVIOUSLY is not friendly with you?
    I thought it was ok because it's been ok in every single other club that I've worked at in my 11 years of dancing. It never occurred to me that there could be such a "rule", because I've never seen it before.

    Also, she wasn't obviously not friendly with me. I didn't know she was a bitch until after the incident, and even if I had, there was no way for me to know what would set her off.

    Quote Originally Posted by anneholl View Post
    You need to be aware who is gonna be alright with this behavior before doin it.
    And how exactly am I supposed to become aware of who is alright with what behavior before doing it? Should I ask every dancer in the club if they are alright with me sipping my drink before I do it? To me, a girl getting all pissed about me sitting at the stage seemed just as ridiculous and unlikely as a girl getting all pissed about me sipping my drink. Maybe that dancer needs to make new girls aware of what behaviors she is not alright with before freaking out on them.

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    I definately do not agree on how the dancer onstage went about voicing her displeasure with your sitting there. That was just BEYOND fucking rude. However, you will learn that some strippers are just batshit crazy, insanely jealous of new girls, and tend to get away with shitty behavior if they are kissing the appropriate asses. Maybe in her opinion those two seats could be filled with a couple of custies who are ready to give their undivided attention to her.I have also know girls who are simply uncomfortable with a co worker at her rack. Maybe she didn't want you staring at her vagina!
    I already know that some people are crazy and jealous, and I realize that she may have been uncomfortable or whatever, but none of that is my problem. I will not walk around on eggshells because there might be a nutcase girl who may freak out over some stupid shit. I will respect the girls that respect me, and allow the ones that don't to dig their own graves.

    Anyway, that girl isn't really my issue. My problem is with the rule. It doesn't seem logical to me.


    Quote Originally Posted by anneholl View Post
    If I have a connection with a customer and suspect I can hustle them for a dance, I have them meet me at the bar after my stage.
    I just don't see how telling a customer to leave the stage and go where he definitely won't tip is better than sitting there with him and making sure he tips. Personally, I would prefer that the girl keep him at the stage. That way, he can still tip me while talking to her, and if her hustle fails, then he will still be at the stage tipping.

    I think I'm going to just tell as many girls as I can, at this club, that I would prefer that they DO hustle at my stage. I won't do it to them, but if they are doing it to me, then I don't lose tips on stage, and when I come down, there will be more available customers on the floor for me.
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    Here's how it went at my club.
    I'd thank the guy who tipped me, even if he was at the stage. I would only sit at the stage if he asked me to join him and only then if he continued to tip the girls on stage, if he didn't I'd tell him I couldn't sit with him and we'd have to move back.

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    I would much rather having a dancer sitting with a customer at the stage as long as they were tipping as opposed to them walking to a table and me making no money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexis81 View Post
    I would much rather having a dancer sitting with a customer at the stage as long as they were tipping as opposed to them walking to a table and me making no money.
    Right! Plus, asking him to leave and meet you somewhere else in the club just seems like a sneaky way of doing the very thing that pisses girls off.
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    Look, I'm sorry if I have offended you. You had asked for our opinions on the subject of approaching guys at the rack. I just personally don't like it and it's something I feel rather strongly about. No disrespect. I was simply trying to support my reason so you could see another perspective. I don't expect you to walk on eggshells around another dancer. I think you have made a good choice in deciding to approach the other girls and offering them your rack to hustle. It's a respect thing. Very important to project this in a new club. They may be more open to you hustling off theirs as well. At my club, we have a rule regarding this exact scenario. Get the stage dancer's permission before sitting at her rack. I guess the etiquette involving this varies widely, depending on where you are.

    No dancers sit at my rack beacause it makes me extremely UNCOMFORTABLE. The girls I work with know that. I am a strong stage performer and I don't like girls watching me up close. It friggin bothers me and renders me shy. But, that's my issue. I certainely would never bite someone's head off over it.

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    anne, you didn't offend me. i was just debating.
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    Cool. I wish you the best in making the club work for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexis81 View Post
    I would much rather having a dancer sitting with a customer at the stage as long as they were tipping as opposed to them walking to a table and me making no money.

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