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    What is considered to be a good tip, and what is considered to be a normal tip after a VIP session. I gave some girl 20 tonight and the the expression on her face would have made me think she had won the lottery.
    She was busy all night. She pretty much stayed in the VIP room. It would have been more efficient for the guys to line up outside. Ok, I think my point has been made. She gave me a good dance, so I am assuming she is always busy, so the 20 probably would not have even been noticed if she happened to lose it.

    If it matters this club charges by the song instead of time, and a dance is 25.
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    a $20 tip on a 25 dance and i'd be happy, cause yes, indeed i prolly don't keep the whole $25, so i would def. take a second to appear greatful. A $20 on a CR and I'd be unimpressed.
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    dances at my club are 25, and i'd be soooo happy with a 20$ tip. that's awesome. for each song, i have to pay 3 to the club and usually tip the bouncer up front a buck, so it's basically like getting paid for two dances. and you were probably really easy and pleasant to dance for (the unpleasant guys don't tip, duh). we really like guys who are both nice and generous. they are the ones that make the job worth doing.

    also, i'm not sure what you mean by vip. is it an open area or are dances private? my club's "vip room" is where the basic 25 private dances are done, and once i pay the bouncer, i don't have to walk through the club. it can be pretty embarrassing to keep going back out after a single dance instead of repeats. i'll go the other way and sit in the dressing room for a bit.

    guys always assume i'm busy and always assume i make a ton of money. i could sit at the bar all night, and they'd assume i bank. guys just assume that.

    she might have genuinely appreciated you tip. that's what i'm trying to get at. it might have been more to her than the drop in the bucket it seemed like.
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    If the guy tips what he spent to get the dance from me in the first place (i.e 1 dance is $25 and he tips $25 on top of it) I'm a happy girl.

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    If you're going to tip, then I think it should be a minimum of 20%. That's about what waitresses get, and I think it's tacky to give the dancer less than that.

    I would never say this to anyone in real life, but I think less of dudes who tip under 20% than I do of dudes who don't tip at all. Except for in the rare occasion where I know that the guy only has 3 dollars left and he gives it all to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by she sells sanctuary View Post
    dances at my club are 25, and i'd be soooo happy with a 20$ tip. that's awesome. for each song, i have to pay 3 to the club and usually tip the bouncer up front a buck, so it's basically like getting paid for two dances. and you were probably really easy and pleasant to dance for (the unpleasant guys don't tip, duh). we really like guys who are both nice and generous. they are the ones that make the job worth doing.

    also, i'm not sure what you mean by vip. is it an open area or are dances private? my club's "vip room" is where the basic 25 private dances are done, and once i pay the bouncer, i don't have to walk through the club. it can be pretty embarrassing to keep going back out after a single dance instead of repeats. i'll go the other way and sit in the dressing room for a bit.

    guys always assume i'm busy and always assume i make a ton of money. i could sit at the bar all night, and they'd assume i bank. guys just assume that.

    she might have genuinely appreciated you tip. that's what i'm trying to get at. it might have been more to her than the drop in the bucket it seemed like.
    The dances are in the private area. They are advertised as VIP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saphire123456 View Post
    a $20 tip on a 25 dance and i'd be happy, cause yes, indeed i prolly don't keep the whole $25, so i would def. take a second to appear greatful. A $20 on a CR and I'd be unimpressed.
    It took me about 5 minutes to figure out CR was champagne room. lol.

    This was not a CR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    If you're going to tip, then I think it should be a minimum of 20%. That's about what waitresses get, and I think it's tacky to give the dancer less than that.

    I would never say this to anyone in real life, but I think less of dudes who tip under 20% than I do of dudes who don't tip at all. Except for in the rare occasion where I know that the guy only has 3 dollars left and he gives it all to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    If you're going to tip, then I think it should be a minimum of 20%. That's about what waitresses get, and I think it's tacky to give the dancer less than that.

    I would never say this to anyone in real life, but I think less of dudes who tip under 20% than I do of dudes who don't tip at all. Except for in the rare occasion where I know that the guy only has 3 dollars left and he gives it all to me.
    It's unfair to equate the stripper tip with the waitress tip. When you go to a restaurant, the waitress does not keep any of the money you spent for food or libation. The tip is how she earns her living.

    When you go to a SC, you are buying a service. When you don't keep anything from the service provided and are dependent on a 'tip', then you can equate them.

    With that said, $5 is the most I would tip on your single dance. If air, zero. If she was really really worth it, more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    It's unfair to equate the stripper tip with the waitress tip. When you go to a restaurant, the waitress does not keep any of the money you spent for food or libation. The tip is how she earns her living.

    When you go to a SC, you are buying a service. When you don't keep anything from the service provided and are dependent on a 'tip', then you can equate them.

    With that said, $5 is the most I would tip on your single dance. If air, zero. If she was really really worth it, more.
    I don't think that the amount of money we keep or don't keep when you pay for the service is relevant, but that is a personal opinion. A tip is a voluntary expression of gratitude and we all get to create our own criteria for deciding when we'll give one.

    That said, unless you live in a state like louisiana that allows employers to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage, waitresses are no more dependent on a tip than any other employee who gets paid the same wage. They do get to keep part of the money you paid for the food/libation. The only difference is that they get it every two weeks in the form of a paycheck and we get it in cash on the spot.

    If anything, dancers are more dependent on tips than waitresses. That dance you buy could be the only one we get in an eight hour shift. Waitresses are guaranteed minimum wage even if not one customer walks in.

    Even in Louisiana, the law says that if tipped employees don't earn the rest of their minimum wage in tips, then the employer must cover the difference. So, technically, even they are not dependent on tips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    I don't think that the amount of money we keep or don't keep when you pay for the service is relevant, but that is a personal opinion. A tip is a voluntary expression of gratitude and we all get to create our own criteria for deciding when we'll give one.

    Yes, that is right, but there is another criteria at work here, the one of the tip entitlement by dancers.


    That said, unless you live in a state like louisiana that allows employers to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage, waitresses are no more dependent on a tip than any other employee who gets paid the same wage. They do get to keep part of the money you paid for the food/libation. The only difference is that they get it every two weeks in the form of a paycheck and we get it in cash on the spot.

    Let's see. A 6 hour shift, with 4 tables per hour =24 sittings per shift. let's say 3 person average (72) and average of 18usd (1,296).

    Now, the waitress is only making how many few dollars per hour? So she'll be lucky to see 2% of the total.

    Now, on a 20 dollar, you're keeping at least 50%.


    If anything, dancers are more dependent on tips than waitresses. That dance you buy could be the only one we get in an eight hour shift. Waitresses are guaranteed minimum wage even if not one customer walks in.

    If people went to restaurants and did not tip AND went to SC and did not tip, a waitress is not going to make anywhere near what you would make.
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    ^^^ It's just not a good comparison, especially in this economy. Yeah, there are times when I leave with minimum wage or less. They are becoming more and more frequent. And I might not sell any dances. And don't forget that many dancers (if not most) are paying to go to work, and unlike a waitress, could actually go home owing the club money. We're expected to tip out practically everyone. We're dependent on generosity and tips just as much, if not more so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post

    That said, unless you live in a state like louisiana that allows employers to pay tipped employees less than minimum wage, waitresses are no more dependent on a tip than any other employee who gets paid the same wage. .

    Wow. I thought waitresses made $2.13 an hour everywhere. I can't believe that in some states they make minimum wage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    Yes, that is right, but there is another criteria at work here, the one of the tip entitlement by dancers.
    I may not be understanding you here, but I think you are saying that dancers feeling entitled to tips is something that you take into consideration when deciding if you'll tip. If that is the case, then you are totally entitled, but it doesn't change anything. It's just part of your personal criteria that you made up.

    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    Now, the waitress is only making how many few dollars per hour? So she'll be lucky to see 2% of the total.

    Now, on a 20 dollar, you're keeping at least 50%
    Yeah, try we're keeping at MOST 50%. Anyway, you can't compare the percentage we keep to the percentage a waitress keeps. A waitresses percentage varies and her wages do not change as the percentage gets lower. The opposite is true for dancers.

    You also have to remember that a portion of our money goes back into the job. We have to buy stripper clothes, shoes, makeup, pay house fees, tip housemoms, djs, security, managers. All of that comes out of the 30-40% we keep. Waitresses generally buy one or two uniforms, tip a bartender, and never go home in the hole.


    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    If people went to restaurants and did not tip AND went to SC and did not tip, a waitress is not going to make anywhere near what you would make.
    There is no way for you to know this. In Los Angeles, there are many dancers who regularly go home with less than $100. Without tips, that number would be much lower and often negative. Clubs are slow as fuck right now, and when that happens, we don't continue to get a paycheck the way waitresses do. What we do get is our fees raised over and over to cover the clubs losses from business being so slow.

    Right now, I average about 5 dances a night. I keep 55 dollars from 5 dances. after house fee and mandatory tip outs, it works out to $25. Without tips, I would average $4.16 per hour. Waitresses make $8.50 per hour.

    In New Orleans, it would work out to $80. $13.30 per hour.

    So maybe you should tip dancers in Los Angeles, but not in New Orleans? What is the magic number? How much more than a waitress does someone have to make per hour to no longer be dependent on tips in your eyes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winged Dinghy View Post
    Wow. I thought waitresses made $2.13 an hour everywhere. I can't believe that in some states they make minimum wage!
    They make $8.50 here. I made more money cocktailing in nude clubs than I ever did dancing here. They all have a two drink minimums and no alcohol, so all you have to remember is a list of like ten different sodas and juices. Easiest job ever if you don't mind the late hours.
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    You keep making my point. I pointed out that you can't compare the two (SC vs waitress).

    A better comparo would be other independent contractors. I tip my auto detailer well, but I expect a certain level of quality. Basically it's his rate + a tip. If he has to pay for wax, etc., it is the cost of doing business, he doesn't say 'supplies cost x amount so I need x in tips to cover it'.
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    I need to continue this mini-threadjack here.

    In Mass, I did not get an hourly as a waitress. NOTHING. My bosses were supposed to give me $2.63 and hour, but chose to keep all their waitresses off the books or, when they did decide a girl was worth an hourly, clocked only half her hours to make her a part-time employee (various benefits to them there).

    If I only got one or two tables a night (which was conceivable on a day with bad weather) I would walk out with nothing. Maybe $10 tip per table=$20, minus $4 tip to the bartender, $2 to the busser, and $2 to the food runner= $12, minus paying for parking=$4. If I payed for lunch, I'd walk out negative. And this is for a 8-13 hour shift with no break. If I didn't have tables, I'd be polishing silverware or folding napkins. At least I got free coffee.

    The lesson here is tip your waitresses. End continuation of mini-threadjack.

    I always appreciate when my customers (as a dancer) tip me. I expect $5 a dance, $20 per $100 vip, and $20 per 20 minutes of requested conversation. But that's more as a sign that I did a good job from the customer, it's not what I depend on to make my living. The only exception to that is the regulars I have that tip me to sit and talk with them. And I always show my appreciation--even from the regulars--because it's not mandatory. They did it solely out of generosity and respect. And that should not be met with a look of indifference/disappointment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    You keep making my point. I pointed out that you can't compare the two (SC vs waitress).

    A better comparo would be other independent contractors. I tip my auto detailer well, but I expect a certain level of quality. Basically it's his rate + a tip. If he has to pay for wax, etc., it is the cost of doing business, he doesn't say 'supplies cost x amount so I need x in tips to cover it'.
    I thought your point was that you couldn't compare the two because a waitress doesn't keep part of what you pay for food. My point is that a waitress DOES keep part of what you pay for food, so you can compare the two.

    If your auto detailer sets his own prices, then the cost of supplies is figured into them and you can't compare him to us. The clubs set the prices for us. If I got to set my own, like your auto detailer, then I would figure in all of my expenses and I wouldn't be dependent on tips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    I thought your point was that you couldn't compare the two because a waitress doesn't keep part of what you pay for food. My point is that a waitress DOES keep part of what you pay for food, so you can compare the two.
    lol Keeping 2% is not equal to keeping 30+%. Also, a waitress serves you, they don't give you a service.

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    If your auto detailer sets his own prices, then the cost of supplies is figured into them and you can't compare him to us. The clubs set the prices for us. If I got to set my own, like your auto detailer, then I would figure in all of my expenses and I wouldn't be dependent on tips.
    A price has to be 'what the market will bear'. If my detailer charged a lot more, I would drop him.And sorry, but a lot of dancers are delusional and think they are multiple pay grades above where they are at. Do you think doubling your price is really going to double you income.

    DISCLAIMER: Nothing was directed at you, and I am speaking in generalities.

    OK if you want a more on par comparo, SC vs haircut shop. My stylist used to work in a shop that set the base price for a haircut. He had no choice but to charge that. He didn't complain. And if you want to, you can do what he could also do.......find somewhere else to work (that may or may not give you your demands).
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    It is equal when one person gets 30% of $100 and the other gets 2% of 1500. Not that it matters, because percentages are irrelevant to how dependent someone is on tips.

    And yes I do think that doubling my prices would double my income. I've worked in clubs that charged twice as much for a dance and my income was always more than doubled in those places. Just because you won't pay $40 for a dance, doesn't mean nobody will. Lapdances are a luxury and should be priced as such, but they aren't in most clubs. I think you are the one who is delusional in thinking we are multiple pay grades above where we are at. Without tips, we don't make nearly as much as you seem to think we do.

    Stylists don't complain because they get tipped. I'm sure they would complain if they didn't. And for the record, I'm not complaining. I make plenty of money, because most guys do tip me and many tip more than the 20% I suggested.

    Anyway, you can tip whenever and whatever you want. I just think that if you're figuring out how much to give based on how dependent on tips the person is, then you're using flawed logic and inaccurate information to do so.
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    I just think that if you're figuring out how much to give based on how dependent on tips the person is, then you're using flawed logic and inaccurate information to do so.

    Never done that. I tip based on performance. 20% is standard with 5usd minimum. To get less than the base, you have to be really bad.
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    If you're tipping based on performance, then all of this discussion about who is dependent on tips was a total waste of time. You can certainly compare a waitresses performance to a dancers, which is what I was doing in my first post. If they both do a good enough job to deserve a tip, then they should both get a minimum of 20%. Any traditionally tipped worker should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeakngEZ View Post
    I always appreciate when my customers (as a dancer) tip me. I expect $5 a dance, $20 per $100 vip, and $20 per 20 minutes of requested conversation. ...
    Yep, that's what I tip. More for excellent performance, less for subpar performance. It's good to know that I am not over/-under-tipping.

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    Typical house fee on a VIP in this city is $10 (maybe now $12) out of a $20 dance. For the second dance with the same customer in sequence, the house fee may be less. It varies a lot between clubs. So if a happy customer restored her total take to $20, I think that would be just fine. But you have to be happy (rooms are video monitored).

    Comments would be good.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    I was once tipped almost $400 for a 15 minute VIP. (No extras!) The guy had just gotten a tax return. That was a good/rare day.

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