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    Our most recent DJ has been with us for several months. We have had enough of him. He punishes us for not giving him a ton of $ at tip-out. Minimum tip out is $10. If the DJ gets more, he should just be grateful. Especially these days. The other two DJ's at our club are great.
    There are girls that tip him $30-$40 bucks so he won't punish them. Even if one of these girls has a bad night and can only tip him out $15 or so, he will punish her the next time.
    How does he punish us? He will play an AWFUL song for us to dance to. I mean these songs should not even be ALLOWED to be played in the club. It doesn't do us dancers any good. Customers hate the songs, they don't tip, dancers don't get $, and they look really stupid dancing to things like to bands called The Travelling Wilburys and Talking Heads, and to dance to Janies Got a Gun by Aerosmith is just plain sick. He also punishes girls by giving them less stage time, or denying them a feature on stage when they always do that feature at that time on that day of the week.
    When one dancer complained to management, the manager just told her not to tip him that night. But that won't help her. She will just get screwed by this DJ even more.
    I tested him out once, and I gave him some $ at the beginning of the shift, explaining I meant to give him more $ the last time at tip out and I forgot, so I wanted to give it to him early, so I don't forget. Well, he didn't punish me that night! But I "only" gave him $15 that night at tip out. He punished me the next time.
    So recently if he plays me a song on my set that is inappropriate, I just stay at the back of the stage, close to the stairs we walk down on, and I don't move very much. If he plays a decent song, or even half way decent, I do my thing. But is that bad to do?
    I would love to get those girls that are getting pimped by him to stop paying him those outrageous tips.
    A few months ago, there were apparently signs posted up by management in our dressing room about the DJ/music. The sign posted was that we couldn't request certain songs, and it was the DJ's responsibility to make us look good. Also that our club was a TOP 40 club, so that's the music the DJ's would play. These signs are no longer posted.
    I'm sorry this is such a long rant. I am just sooo fed up and I'd love some advice. It's not just me but for all of us at our club. The DJ's tip should be based on how good he made you look on stage, and if he does a bad job, he shouldn't be rewarded. This is blackmail!!

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    If he's going to embarrass you on stage, act like a wannabe pimp and play childish games, why bother to tip him at all? From what your manager said when the other girl complained, it sounds like you've even got permission from him not to tip if the DJ fucks you over.

    What shifts does this asshole work? Is it possible that you can get a whole bunch of girls to stop tipping him entirely and/or refuse to work his shifts? Or at least get as many girls as possible to give him only the minimum and not a penny more. What's he going to do then? Play shitty obnoxious music all night long, for everyone? If so, one of two things will happen: management will take action when they realize he's driving customers away, or the DJ will quit when all the girls start giving him $10 instead of $30-40 and his income takes a 75% cut.

    I sympathize. I had a horrible DJ at one of my old clubs who did the exact same thing. When he played me Alan Jackson I would stop dancing and just lay on the stage near the customers, flirt with them, start conversations with them, and make fun of the DJ. I just acted as if it was hilarious, smiling/laughing and going "wtf is this shit, can you believe you're hearing this?" It was fun to get all get all the custies at the tip rail to join me in pointing and laughing our asses off at the DJ.

    The best part? whenever I did this, I got tons of stage tips, and lots of customers wanting dances as soon as my stage was over, b/c they thought I was fun and had a sense of humor about the whole thing (whereas most girls would just stand on the stage and scowl.)
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    I've always thought the DJ ought to be tipped according to two criteria; A) how well you did that night and B) any special treatment you may have requested (time off stage, songs requested, etc). I've never had a DJ complain, though some have been easier to work with than others.

    DJ's, like dancers, should expect to be tipped for good service. If he's not giving you good service despite being tipped over the minimum, discuss it with other girls as well as the management. If he's new, what is keeping his job secure? Is he dating a dancer? Related to the owner? Is there a shortage of DJ's willing to work at your club? In short is there a reason that the club is keeping him around if so many girls are upset by his actions?

    Not dancing while on stage only makes you look bad, not the DJ. Having the DJ play lousy songs however makes both you and the club look bad. Keep track of which songs he's played that you find inappropriate and bring it up with the manager, explaining how some music simply isnt sexy. If he has any head for business he will agree. It's the club's responsibility to dictate what kind of music can and can not be played. For instance (and yes this is extremely racist!) my club wont play rap, reggaeton, or other "black" music- by request of the owners. DJ's playing rap at my club will put their job in jeopardy, because the owners want to maintain a certain atmosphere to the club. I sincerely doubt the owners of your club have mandated the playing of "talking heads".

    In the meantime have you considered just avoiding his shifts? You say that the club has two other DJ's, try working only when theyre around. Just a thought.




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    I live in raleigh. I am almost positive I know who you're talking about. pm me if you want. I worked with that guy, if you are also in raliegh I can't imagine there being two sc djs that use the same browbeating tactics in this tiny area with only five clubs in the vicinity. does his name start with W? if it does, good luck with that bastard, and pm me if you want. I'm curious where you're at if its here, so I'll know where not to work.

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    I had that problem before, I simply stopped working his shift.

    If that's not an option for you, I would dance to his crappy songs anyway and rock it out. Sometimes I'd pretend it was a different song and dance to the song in my head.

    If he knows you hate it, hes going to continue to do what works for him. Don't give him the pleasure of having a bad stage set. Rock it out and smile.

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    Just tip him $5 instead of the standard $10. If he still plays the worst music ever, then say something like, "I'd love to be able to tip you more, but the customers just don't seem to like the music you play, and don't tip me either."

    Tell your manager that the Dj's decisions on music is driving customers out of the club. Don't approach him from the aspect that the DJ is ruining you earnings 'cause we all know that managers just don't care. What they do care about is their bottom line, and if you point out that your customers are leaving because the music is so not conducive to a strip club atmosphere, the manager will stand up and listen. His job depends on how much $$ the club makes.

    I had a DJ do this to me once, and I went along with it, pretending to just LOVE every single song he played for me. I mean, Copa Cabana isn't really all that bad of a song to dance too, and it turns out the customers love Elvis Presley and tipped me extremely well when the DJ was trying to piss me off. LOL!


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    Yes turn the game on him and show him that you can't be intimidated by his idiotic technique. speaking from experience most of the custys [i'm asuming] think the DJ is an idiot for playing offbeat music, they dont really blame it on the girls cause the girls arent back there on the mic and pushing the buttons. Im working at a club where i cant play my music at all and i have to dance to whatever the heck the dj plays .. im listed under 'hardcore rock' and its the most generic radio played music i have ever heard. ive danced for so long and to so many different songs that it just dosent matter anymore to me. You are right that pouting on stage is what is cutting into your tips. Turn the game around and show him what a powerless jerk he really is. This means having a meeting with the girls, if possible. i know teamwork rarely happens in the club but this is a situation that is effecting all of you.

    Oh yeah and this situation does remind me of pimping. WTF..

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    Yes turn the game on him and show him that you can't be intimidated by his idiotic technique. speaking from experience most of the custys [i'm asuming] think the DJ is an idiot for playing offbeat music, they dont really blame it on the girls cause the girls arent back there on the mic and pushing the buttons. Im working at a club where i cant play my music at all and i have to dance to whatever the heck the dj plays .. im listed under 'hardcore rock' and its the most generic radio played music i have ever heard. ive danced for so long and to so many different songs that it just dosent matter anymore to me. You are right that pouting on stage is what is cutting into your tips. Turn the game around and show him what a powerless jerk he really is. This means having a meeting with the girls, if possible. i know teamwork rarely happens in the club but this is a situation that is effecting all of you.

    Oh yeah and this situation does remind me of pimping. WTF..

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    Tell your manager that the Dj's decisions on music is driving customers out of the club. Don't approach him from the aspect that the DJ is ruining you earnings 'cause we all know that managers just don't care. What they do care about is their bottom line, and if you point out that your customers are leaving because the music is so not conducive to a strip club atmosphere, the manager will stand up and listen. His job depends on how much $$ the club makes.
    Exactlyl!!! we had hardcore rap music banned in two different clubs in the area because the managers figured out that the customers were walking out the door everytime it was played. This technique would work well...

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    It's not about the girls who give him 30 or 40. He is just someone who likes to power trip.

    Complain to the manager. This is not his personal playground to intimidate people. Instead round up a few girls who feel threatened by him and complain.

    Just keep tipping the $10 if you are required by the club. I would also do what Paris suggested and tell him you'd like to tip more but the songs are chasing people away.

    Tell that to the manager or owners about the crappy music too. I can see if he doesn't play the song you want or doesn't stop playing a song you hate. Those are special requests. Doing other childish crap shouldn't be tolerated in an ADULT club.

    He will straighten out his act because if he doesn't where is going to make the same kind of money elsewhere? He's probably not.




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    Side note: if he leaves or gets fired, I got a good dj for you. Seriously. We live an hour away, but that's nothing for a decent night.
    Would you mind PM'ming me what club you are at? If it's not too much of an imposition.

    I'm sorry he's being such an ass. I'm married to a dj,but he is satisfied with the minimum and will work to deserve the extra tip. I've run into djs like the one you have before. Back in 'the day' when we were all making bank maybe you could expect to tip $30-$40 a night, but these days $15 to$20 (for a typical night) is reasonable - that's if he's done a good job. If you've had an incredible night and he's been working with you/let you offstage/etc.; 10% is the industry standard and is appreciated.

    A dj should enjoy what he is doing, or get the hell out of the biz..just like us. This guy sounds like he is using the dj job to get his power rocks off, just like others in this thread have said. The dj is supposed to be on our side, not the side of the managers and owners, and not completely out for himself. We all work best, and the most productively(read:make the most money) if we all work together.
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    Ugh, I used to work with a DJ like this, thank god my club has no mandatory tip out so he never made a dime from me (which probably made him hate me even worse, lol). The only way I found to deal with it was not go on stage when he was working. At all. Thankfully, he eventually got fired for trying to extort money out of the dancers.

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    How about telling the DJ you will tip him whatever you make onstage?
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    Also you can pay mandatory tip in pennies and small change (I know it is hard to collect that much change though, it will take a large jar to get $10 worth of change). It will not help you situation ( ) but may give you some fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Just tip him $5 instead of the standard $10. If he still plays the worst music ever, then say something like, "I'd love to be able to tip you more, but the customers just don't seem to like the music you play, and don't tip me either."

    Tell your manager that the Dj's decisions on music is driving customers out of the club. Don't approach him from the aspect that the DJ is ruining you earnings 'cause we all know that managers just don't care. What they do care about is their bottom line, and if you point out that your customers are leaving because the music is so not conducive to a strip club atmosphere, the manager will stand up and listen. His job depends on how much $$ the club makes.

    I had a DJ do this to me once, and I went along with it, pretending to just LOVE every single song he played for me. I mean, Copa Cabana isn't really all that bad of a song to dance too, and it turns out the customers love Elvis Presley and tipped me extremely well when the DJ was trying to piss me off. LOL!
    Yup, I did the same thing as Paris. I had a DJ at my first club that tried to play me on some bs. You know what I started doing..not paying him SHIT! Not $10, not $5, I paid his ass $0.

    Management knew what the hell was up because they knew I was a professional dancer. I didn't act out on stage. I'd get on stage and act like I was enjoying the hell out of myself.

    Customers would say, "what the hell, I don't like your music" I'd tell them, "yeah me either. The DJ hates me, and he plays music like this to hurt my money. You should tell him he sucks" Not only would I get awesome tipps, but I'd get guys yelling, "DJ you suck!!!"

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    Um, I don't dance (but would love to) but I WOULD NOT put up with that sh!t!! Dancing is about creating enviornment, creating fantasy and allusion and guess what?? He's fkcing that up! For everyone! For the manager, for the dancers on the floor, for the club owner- he is not doing his job- infact, he is being extremely childish. MAYBE if HE DID do a good job, THEN he'd get bigger tips. The same rule applies to any job...you start out with a certain pay and if/when your performance gets better you get a promotion/more money. I would do what I can to let the manager know and possible get him fired.

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    Paris had a great idea. I think maybe cutting his tips is an idea, he plays crap, you make crap, he gets paid crap. Turn about is fair play.


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    so, how is it going? if it is who I think it is, the minimum is the minimum, and he probably has management on his side. he has a way of doing that some how.just give hin the min, and nothing else, no matter what he says. he used todo that shit at my old club. it eventually got so bad that I started timing my dances to get out of doing stage. it sucked. I hate will; ithink most dancers in this town do.

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    This one DJ at my club once played the Hokey Pokey for a girl he didn't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherlo View Post
    Customers hate the songs, they don't tip, dancers don't get $, and they look really stupid dancing to things like to bands called The Travelling Wilburys and Talking Heads, and to dance to Janies Got a Gun by Aerosmith is just plain sick.
    I had to laugh because I dance to Talking Heads every chance I get! They are seriously my favorite band and put me in the best mood at work. Janie's Got A Gun is cheesy and dated but its a fairly common strip-club song and easy to rock out to. I have a great time listening to more off-beat music and the custies never complain.

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    If that's not an option for you, I would dance to his crappy songs anyway and rock it out. Sometimes I'd pretend it was a different song and dance to the song in my head.

    If he knows you hate it, hes going to continue to do what works for him. Don't give him the pleasure of having a bad stage set. Rock it out and smile.
    I second this. Its not a Dancer Of the Year contest! Ultimately, no one should care what songs are playing because you should be exuding so much sexuality, they can't focus on anything but you and your body. If the customers care that much, tell them to bring it up to the DJ themselves. Other than that, use it to your advantage and make it a great way to pull them off the stage when you're through with your set and straight into VIP.

    It sucks that he's trying to extort tips out of you this way but really, its petty. Give him his $10 and get on with your night.
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    Hi
    I wanted to thank everyone for all of the input. I got some really good advice. Knock on wood, things are going better at least between me and the DJ- All it took was for him to play me a kick ass set (after I requested a type of music) which helped me, and I tipped him accordingly, like I would for any other DJ. Since then he has played me great music, and in turn he gets the tip-out he expects.... from me.

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