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    I regret to say that I am one of the 87 million...

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    When I was dancing I didn't have insurance. Then years later I got a job that provided great insurance. Because of that insurance I was able to find a precancerous spot and had it removed. Now, I can't find a job with insurance. I am scared the precancer will come back but I can do nothing about it. Meanwhile I try in vain to find any job, let alone one with insurance. I have a BA, a MA, years of experience and skills, yet I'm competiting with many for jobs without insurance. It bothers me that so many don't have insurance. That number has gone up considerably in the last few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winged Dinghy View Post
    I regret to say that I am one of the 87 million...

    Same here and it is unlikely to change anytime soon. The price for buying health insurance outright is astronomical.

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    Greatest country in the world, huh?

    It makes me sick. The state of health care in this country is deplorable. It's such a con job, they are such fucking crooks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    Greatest country in the world, huh?

    It makes me sick. The state of health care in this country is deplorable. It's such a con job, they are such fucking crooks.
    Maybe its time to watch Sicko again.


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    I am also sadly one of those people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    Greatest country in the world, huh?

    It makes me sick. The state of health care in this country is deplorable. It's such a con job, they are such fucking crooks.
    It is. It is not the governments role to be our daddy.

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    Maybe its time to watch Sicko again.
    Pure propaganda. Did you see MMoore squirm and get pissed off when someone was actually asking hard questions during an interview on his bit of lies.
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    I'm typically a Moore fan, but Sicko was pure crap. It was shredded from both sides of the political spectrum for it's use of pure lies and orchestrated bull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winged Dinghy View Post
    I regret to say that I am one of the 87 million...
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    The sad big picture thing is that there has been a ratcheting down of healthcare in the US the last 15-20 yrs. Those who are covered by employer plans face higher deductibles, copays, and partial premium payment deductions. This factor doesn't readily show up on the statistics, yet it is real. Go to executive pay watch link on afl-cio website, and see how UHC, et al execs have lined their pockets.

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    ^^^ yes, but in fairness you should also do some research into 'medical cost shifting' i.e. the reason for a major portion of private health care cost increases being gov't mandates that health care providers must provide those services for free to the 'indigent', mandates that medicaid reimbursement levels must be below the actual cost of medical services provided etc. To avoid being bankrupted by these gov't mandates, health care providers have resorted to overcharging those who are able to pay ( or more precisely overcharging their insurance companies )

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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    It is not the governments role to be our daddy.
    You have government of the people, by the people, for the people. It's not government being daddy, it's just people helping people. And what is more important than healthcare? What government priority would you place higher than the health of your country's citizens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeybobby View Post
    You have government of the people, by the people, for the people. It's not government being daddy, it's just people helping people. And what is more important than healthcare? What government priority would you place higher than the health of your country's citizens?

    SO why not have the govt give everyone their first house, first car, ensure a six figure salary, and on and on. I hear from my doctor friends all the complaints and stories. One of them worked out the numbers one time, and if it wasn't for stupid Medicare/ Medicaid rules, he would be able to cut rates across the board over by over a third.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    SO why not have the govt give everyone their first house, first car, ensure a six figure salary, and on and on. I hear from my doctor friends all the complaints and stories. One of them worked out the numbers one time, and if it wasn't for stupid Medicare/ Medicaid rules, he would be able to cut rates across the board over by over a third.
    We're talking about healthcare. That's a lot of people kicking in some money to make sure everyone is covered. Talking about houses and cars and salaries is a copout.

    Obama talked about using the money smarter...he's on to something there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    It is. It is not the governments role to be our daddy.
    If you had a serious illness and were uninsured, you would feel very different.

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    Well, let's see....no one really is not covered, just go into an ER. As for major treatments, there are dozens of groups that I can name of the top of my head that provide financial help or the medical service/ product at no cost. Of course no one wants to research, they'd rather have it on their whim.

    Medicare/ Medicaid is so full of fraud, it laughable. So, how is it supposed to be smarter money when they won't take care of that like a private insurer would?
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    It is the government's role to unblock any entrenched institution that overcharges, underserves, and prevents competition. That's how our medical system, including insurance, works.

    As usual I expected to see our conservative contingent discussing how government ought to bail out, so private enterprise can stick it to us. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    It is the government's role to unblock any entrenched institution that overcharges, underserves, and prevents competition. That's how our medical system, including insurance, works.
    I don't know about where your from, but 'round these parts, we have hundreds and hundreds of doctors. From private practice to 'commercial' practice. There are also many hospitals to choose from, as well as other types of medical services. How exactly are they preventing competition? How are they overcharging? Under serves? They are a business, if they lose money, they shut down. Do you want the Keebler elves to give everyone a free cookie? (Even if you don't pay for it, it will cost for each to be made.)

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    As usual I expected to see our conservative contingent discussing how government ought to bail out, so private enterprise can stick it to us. LOL
    Well, I am aginst Dubya's financial bailout, but why is nObama continuing it? Why did he come up with an even bigger govt bail out?
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    ^^ See, you are stuck in the old fashioned system and don't realize that there are a hundred other ways to design a health-care system where people still profit and people get healthcare. Like right now we're mostly a business group-insured system, so how is your own personal healthcare any part of your employer's affairs? Yeah, I know. It is part of our tax structure. Well, that's part of the current old fashioned system too. And what even does that have to do with insurance companies? Why do we need insurance companies for healthcare? Is that the only way to do oversight and advisement?

    I'm not pulling for any specific system. I just think we can come up with a much better one that doesn't have so many irrelevant people and marketing involved.

    But to change all of that, legislation is needed. Unfortunately, but it is so complicated and intertwined now that any change needs to be incentivized or even forced.

    It's a huge institution and any change needs to be big and guided. Think Global.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    Well, let's see....no one really is not covered, just go into an ER. As for major treatments, there are dozens of groups that I can name of the top of my head that provide financial help or the medical service/ product at no cost. Of course no one wants to research, they'd rather have it on their whim.
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    So why is the leading cause of bankruptcy, the inability to pay medical bills?

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    Medicare/ Medicaid is so full of fraud, it laughable. So, how is it supposed to be smarter money when they won't take care of that like a private insurer would?
    You don't think there's any fraud with private insurance? The fact is, Medicare has been doing a better job of keeping costs down than private insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    So why is the leading cause of bankruptcy, the inability to pay medical bills?
    Well, I know someone who went to the ER and they gave him a finacial help form. He filled it out but did not get the last line signed by a witness (did not even need to be notarized). How is it the hospitals fault when he got denied. They gave him a list of pharmacies that give financial aid, he went to one and got meds for no cost.

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    You don't think there's any fraud with private insurance? The fact is, Medicare has been doing a better job of keeping costs down than private insurance.
    I studied this back when Hillary was trying to nationalize our healthcare back in the 90's. IIRC a private insurance company spent 10-15% of it's revenue on fraud prevention which was the necessary amount. M/M used to not even go after you unless you were defrauding for at least a million. In the last few years, they got dedicated task forces to go after 500-1mill. When some of these people were arrested, they said you aren't supposed to to go after fraud under 1mill.

    The fraud unit for M/M is the only profitable govt agency, but they are still severally understaffed to the levels they would require in comparison to a private group. M/M fraud runs from as little as 20bill to as high as 120bill a year. It all comes down to whose number you believe, and in a nationalized system, it would be unfair to say it would be taken care of.
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    Glambman,

    What is your suggestion to fix the health care issues in our country? We are all well versed on what you don't like, so maybe you could offer a viable solution so that people don't have to die due to no access to health care.

    I suggest you read this article from Time magazine, and see if you can't see yourself or someone you know in the same potential position.


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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    Well, I know someone who went to the ER and they gave him a finacial help form. He filled it out but did not get the last line signed by a witness (did not even need to be notarized). How is it the hospitals fault when he got denied. They gave him a list of pharmacies that give financial aid, he went to one and got meds for no cost.
    What does this have to do with the fact that hundreds of thousands of people go bankrupt every year because they can't pay their bills? Do you think they all went bankrupt because they forgot to fill out a line on a form?

    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...tcy_study.html

    (snip)
    Illness and medical bills caused half of the 1,458,000 personal bankruptcies in 2001, according to a study published by the journal Health Affairs.

    The study estimates that medical bankruptcies affect about 2 million Americans annually -- counting debtors and their dependents, including about 700,000 children.

    (snip)
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    ^^ I see it all the time in the Monday judgements section of the local papers. Here, Glambman is giving his assessment based on local info or anecdotes, so as to divert the discussion into his direction. He seems to like the current business status except where government is involved.

    There is a lot wrong with the US healthcare system, but it's too entrained and complex to just modify a little bit. We need to look for big alternatives. And yes it's gonna take government to make such big changes, but eventually only governement oversight could be necessary and 'insuranace companies' could be transformed out of competitive marketing and into quality assurers and auditors of healthcare services and billing. You've got to figure just what essentials are needed and take a very fresh look at how to make just that happen. The system is just SUPPORTING TOO MANY PEOPLE and TOO MANY PROFITEERS now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ yes, but in fairness you should also do some research into 'medical cost shifting' i.e. the reason for a major portion of private health care cost increases being gov't mandates that health care providers must provide those services for free to the 'indigent', <snip>)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    I"ve done some "research"- one cost shifting going on is the cost is shifted to those folks who are uninsured, or for whatever reason the insured go "out of network". It seems that at least several plans are HMO's or PPO's, whereby if one utilizes services "in network", a lower negotiated rate is "allocated & paid for". So, if one must have some sort of surgery or procedure done, doctor might charge, say, $2k for it, negotiated in network rate might be something like $1200. Great for someone in network, not so good for someone uninsured , but not exactly indigent.
    Meanwhile, insurance premiums have risen faster than CPI, and those insured can often be faced with gertting less bang for buck. For the longest time, plans had normal customary fees. Now, the artificially low negotiated network rates are used as a frame of reference for making payments. If an insured person with a typical 80/20 plan went out of network in above example, they'd be on the hook for an extra $800 on top of their 20% share. People faced with bills many times this have gone bankrupt.

    On the other side of the fence (ref. Yahoo Finance), the CEO of United Healthcare Group (UNH) on Feb 9 disposed of ~ 2.9 million shares of UNH stock on the non open market @ $28.94/share, total value~ $84.4M.
    Is this a well balanced system: Folks getting higher premiums & potentially reduced benefits, others being priced out of coverage, or charged higher doctor fees on one hand, and an insurance co. insider cashing in on $84.4M on the other hand.

    PS- I also read linked articles- thread title is misleading because the 87M figure tallies those who have been medically uninsured at some point in last 2 yrs. Article lists 45M as presently uninsured (Time link), plus 25M "underinsured". That is still a lot of people.

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