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    It's called "war zone" and it's all about a woman who takes to the streets with a camera, and confronts men who cat call her. interesting idea. here's the trailer:

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    Dumb, dumb dumb... Men are men. They are wired to behave in a certain way.

    This falls along the lines of.. Getting pissy because some man opens a door for a woman.
    If a woman gets bent because guys look, then I would suggest wearing a burlap sack or becoming a recluse.

    Pointing this fact out and embarrassing the poor slob is just dumb.

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    ...the male version of this documentary was called "Girls Gone Wild".
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    I watched this in class a couple weeks ago and was actually just emailing said class about it (with a few articles from here). HATE IT!

    Everyone was agreeing with her, but I thought she was a psycho, taking honest compliments (like "you must work out," "you're looking beautiful," and "good morning") as attacks. And as for those who really are pigs treating women like objects, she's done nothing to change their outlook. Just come off as a psycho feminist, and is just laughable. Could have been done so much better. I might redo it, but more bad ass.
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    I usually hold the door open for women. One time in a lower class area, I did so for two black women and the expression they gave was priceless. I think it was the first time any guy did that along with the "How are you doing?". They gave me words of gratitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    I usually hold the door open for women. One time in a lower class area, I did so for two black women and the expression they gave was priceless. I think it was the first time any guy did that along with the "How are you doing?". They gave me words of gratitude.

    Manners are not dead.. neither is the gracious acceptance of said manners.


    Personally? I enjoy compliments. The catcalling and obvious stares are treated as they are given and ignored.

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    If they are not crude I just smile.

    I would have to say her way of dressing is downplayed but it still attracts attention.

    She is just trying to trap men and call them out.

    I would have liked to see her dressed differently. Jeans and a normal T shirt, pony tail and post earrings would have been more fitting to try and prove whatever point that was trying to make.

    Maybe a contrasts of different types of dress to see different reactions. But getting up in peoples faces is not very lady like.

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    Cat calls from the street are the same thing as Customer Shit (CS) in the SC. CS is passive aggressive behavior and cat calls are passive aggressive behavior but louder.

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    Horrible. She can't even take compliments. Men will be men, just ignore them if you don't like what they have to say. My sister will try to pick up guys even when we're sitting in traffic, and none of them take offense to her or what her friends have to say to them or about them. This woman just seems high strung and crazy.

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    I showed the clip to my 9th grade stepson. He thought the woman was being ridiculous. His exact words are "You holla at girls 'cause you're too scared to actually talk to them. Duh!"


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    Wow! This woman has serious issues.

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    I don't know. I mean, I think that she does raise a good point, and some men are absolutely disrespectful and need to stfu, but she goes about it wrong. also, some things don't need to be called out. I think this documentary could have been done much better.
    ps Paris I lol'd at what your stepson said!
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    I think it's sad that our culture has progressed to the point where calling someone beautiful is an insult.

    I'm definitely just like the men in her video. I stare at other people all the time. I look at everyone around me and notice all kinds of things about them. Shame on me...

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    This woman is a total nutter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    I showed the clip to my 9th grade stepson. He thought the woman was being ridiculous. His exact words are "You holla at girls 'cause you're too scared to actually talk to them. Duh!"
    That's about it... probably true for 75% of the men who make the cat calls.

    I think there are really two things here. Women are brought up to play the victim and feel like people yelling at them is a form of emotional assault. Women need to take control and realize that they don't have to be these meek little creatures that they once were. Second, if you honestly don't want the cat calls - dress down... A LOT. Jewelry, make-up and even many clothes are designed as female gender signifiers to attract the attention of men. If you don't want the attention the stop wearing these things, put on shapeless clothes, keep your hair short like a man, and ditch the makeup and perfume.

    We really are fighting generation Barbie versus the conservative centuries here. They conflict... so of course there are going to be problems!
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    ^ Women shouldn't have to "dress down" to avoid cat calls (and believe me, men do it anyway). It's that same mentality that keeps rape victims from speaking up because they are taught that if they dress nice in any way, then they must have been asking for it.

    And it's nothing about playing the victim, it's men seeing themselves as entitled to all women.

    True, half of what she was calling out weren't cat calls (or women do 10x worse ) and she may be playing victim, but face it, whether consciously or not, this is just an other factor of patriarchy, making women afraid to take control of themselves and their lives. I for one don't want to have to go out with a male while covering up completely because it's acceptable for men to make women uncomfortable and intimidated.
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    ^ Women shouldn't have to "dress down" to avoid cat calls (and believe me, men do it anyway). It's that same mentality that keeps rape victims from speaking up because they are taught that if they dress nice in any way, then they must have been asking for it.

    And it's nothing about playing the victim, it's men seeing themselves as entitled to all women.

    True, half of what she was calling out weren't cat calls (or women do 10x worse ) and she may be playing victim, but face it, whether consciously or not, this is just an other factor of patriarchy, making women afraid to take control of themselves and their lives. I for one don't want to have to go out with a male while covering up completely because it's acceptable for men to make women uncomfortable and intimidated.
    I absolutely agree. Very well put.
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    Also this brings up another point ... Why should men have manners? Such as opening doors, being platonically nice. They will only get yelled at. Or worse.. because some woman is "empowered" or worse yet - just walked out of the trailer.

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    ^ Yes, I think that is extreme when women get mad at that. Most of the time, it is just polite. I open doors for people of both genders, so does my dad, so does my brother.

    I think that she took it too far, as do some women, but I also think that the whole IDEA of the documentary raises a very good point, that (sometimes) shit that gets said to you on the street that just shouldn't get said!
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    ^ Women shouldn't have to "dress down" to avoid cat calls (and believe me, men do it anyway). It's that same mentality that keeps rape victims from speaking up because they are taught that if they dress nice in any way, then they must have been asking for it.

    And it's nothing about playing the victim, it's men seeing themselves as entitled to all women.
    Let's put it this way, if everyone dressed the same (men and women) in ways that were shapeless - you probably would have less occurrences of cat calls and rapes.

    As for rape, there are HUGE issues that come into play with that, bigger than what we as humans will ever be able to understand because it's not just us - it exists in the wild too. Males and females in the wild don't really have ways to hide their gender - it's all pretty much "out there" between the genitals being in view, body shapes being different in many, and sometimes even the scent.

    As humans one of the big abilities that we have is that we are capable of looking like the opposite gender or appearing neutral in gender - which turns off the "opposite gender attraction" that can sometimes lead to cat calls or rape.

    I don't really think that a person can argue the fact that women were taught to "play the victim" throughout history. We may have been in charge at one point when society was primarily matriarchy and men didn't know how life came to be, but for thousands of years that has not been the case. Early human tribes didn't teach women to hunt because they spent a good portion of their lives being pregnant, 12 pregnancies to one live childbirth early on in times where women probably didn't live to see their 25th birthday. Men saw teaching hunting as pretty much a waste of time since the women weren't going to fully be capable of hunting for most of their lives anyhow. History of early humanity and civilization teaches you a lot about how women were "taught to play the victim" because we became vulnerable by not hunting, not being involved in politics, and simply not being equally educated etc. A lot has changed since then, but women are still in the early stages of loosing the old cocoon and realizing that we can be either kept where we once were, we can be equal to men or we can drive on their sexual desires... and in some cases a combination of those.

    As for men seeing themselves as "entitled to all women", I think you are making a big assumption. There are always going to be bad apples in any group - whether it be animals or humans. I'm sure you've met at least one nice guy. I would hope that each time that you meet someone they treat you better than the last...
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