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    This from wikipedia, based on the clinical definition of a 'psychopath'.

    In contemporary research, psychopathy has been most frequently operationalized by Dr. Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R). The checklist assesses both interpersonal and affective components as well as lifestyle and antisocial deficits.

    Aggressive narcissism:
    Glibness / superficial charm
    Grandiose sense of self-worth
    Pathological lying
    Cunning / manipulative
    Lack of remorse or guilt
    Shallow
    Callous / lack of empathy
    Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
    Promiscuous sexual behavior

    Socially deviant lifestyle:
    Need for stimulation / proneness to boredom
    Parasitic lifestyle
    Poor behavioral control
    Lack of realistic, long-term goals
    Impulsivity
    Irresponsibility
    Juvenile delinquency
    Early behavior problems
    Revocation of conditional release (blows off second chances)

    Traits not correlated with either factor:
    Many short-term marital relationships
    Criminal versatility

    In practice, mental health professionals rarely treat psychopathic personality disorders as they are considered untreatable and no interventions have proved to be effective.

    Only a minority of what Hare and his followers would diagnose as psychopaths who are in institutions are violent offenders. The manipulative skills of some of the others are valued for providing audacious leadership. It is argued psychopathy is adaptive in a highly competitive environment, because it gets results for both the individual and the corporations or, often small political sects they represent. However, these individuals will often cause long-term harm, both to their co-workers and the organization as a whole, due to their manipulative, deceitful, abusive, and often fraudulent behaviour.
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Childhood precursors
    Psychopathy is not normally diagnosed in children or adolescents, and some jurisdictions explicitly forbid diagnosing psychopathy and similar personality disorders in minors. Psychopathic tendencies can sometimes be recognized in childhood or early adolescence and, if recognised, are diagnosed as conduct disorder. It must be stressed not all children diagnosed with conduct disorder grow up to be psychopaths, or even disordered at all, but these childhood signs are found in significantly higher proportions in psychopaths than in the general population. Conduct disorder, as well as a related disorder, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, can sometimes develop into adult psychopathy. However, conduct disorder "fails to capture the emotional, cognitive and interpersonality traits - egocentricity, lack of remorse, empathy or guilt - that are so important in the diagnosis of psychopathy."

    Children showing strong psychopathic precursors often appear immune to punishment; nothing seems to modify their undesirable behavior. Consequently parents usually give up, and the behavior worsens.

    The following childhood indicators are to be seen not as to the type of behavior, but as to its relentless and unvarying occurrence. Not all must be present concurrently, but at least a number of them need to be present over a period of years:
    • An extended period of bedwetting past the preschool years not due to any medical problem.
    • Cruelty to animals beyond an angry outburst.
    • Firesetting and other vandalism. Not to be confused with playing with matches, which is not uncommon for preschoolers. This is the deliberate setting of destructive fires with utter disregard for the property and lives of others.
    • Lying, often without discernible objectives, extending beyond a child's normal impulse not to be punished. These lies are so extensive it is often impossible to know lies from truth.
    • Theft and truancy.
    • Aggression to peers, not necessarily physical, which can include getting others into trouble or a campaign of psychological torment.

    The three indicators—bedwetting, cruelty to animals and firestarting, known as the MacDonald triad—were first described by J.M. MacDonald as indicators of psychopathy.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    No, but I know a few Sociopaths. A sociopath makes an excellent sales person and is highly adaptable to most social situations. They are quickly motivated to perform with personal gain being the goal. The concept of altruism seems to elude them.


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    I deffinatly think that cruelty to animals beyond an angry outburst thing is a big sign, they start on animals and lead to humans often dont they.

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    I don't know any psychopaths personally, but I know of a couple of notorious ones. One psychopath gets executed and the other becomes President. You're descriptions fit Bush to a tee.


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    I used to be worried I was a sociopath. But then I realised tat the fact I was worried totally negated my suspicions.

    I am extremely motivated but personal gain though. It makes me good at what I do. But I definitely do anything for people that I love.

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    Fits several of my ex boyfriends extremely well...! Scary.

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    ^^ same here..... I attract this type of person....

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    Yeah, I just got rid of one a year or so ago. That was after I gave up trying to 'reform' her; she may have been more of a sociopath since she wasn't cruel unless the really got wasted.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveSmith View Post
    I don't know any psychopaths personally, but I know of a couple of notorious ones. One psychopath gets executed and the other becomes President. You're descriptions fit Bush to a tee.
    That picture is SCAREY!!
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    No, but I know a few Sociopaths. A sociopath makes an excellent sales person and is highly adaptable to most social situations. They are quickly motivated to perform with personal gain being the goal. The concept of altruism seems to elude them.
    Sociopath is a loosely-defined term that may be used to refer to psychopath or:
    Antisocial personality disorder or
    Dissocial personality disorder

    Antisocial personality disorder
    It is defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."[1] Deceit and manipulation are considered essential features of the disorder. Therefore, it is essential in making the diagnosis to collect material from sources other than the individual being diagnosed.

    Symptoms
    Characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder may include:
    • Persistent lying or stealing
    • Superficial charm
    • Apparent lack of remorse or empathy; inability to care about hurting others
    • Inability to keep jobs or stay in school
    • Impulsivity and/or recklessness
    • Lack of realistic, long-term goals -- an inability or persistent failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals
    • Inability to make or keep friends, or maintain relationships such as marriage
    • Poor behavioral controls -- expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper
    • Narcissism, elevated self-appraisal or a sense of extreme entitlement
    • A persistent agitated or depressed feeling (dysphoria)
    • A history of childhood conduct disorders
    • Recurring difficulties with the law
    • Tendency to violate the boundaries and "rights" of others
    • Substance abuse
    • Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights
    • Inability to tolerate boredom
    • Disregard for the safety of self or others
    • People with a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder often experience difficulties with authority figures.

    Other criticisms of ASPD (antisocial) are that it is essentially synonymous with criminality. Nearly 80-95% of felons will meet criteria for ASPD - thus ASPD predicts nothing in criminal justice populations. Whereas, psychopathy scores (using the Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R)) is found in only ~20% of inmates and PCL-R is considered one of the best predictors of violent recidivism. (confusing statements, aren't they,unless they meant "felons will FAIL TO meet criteria for ASPD"???)

    Dissocial personality disorder
    Specifically, the dissocial personality disorder is described by the World Health Organization by the following criteria (not the same as symptoms):
    • Callous unconcern for the feelings of others and lack of the capacity for empathy.
    • Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations.
    • Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships.
    • Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
    • Incapacity to experience guilt and to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
    • Marked proneness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior bringing the subject into conflict.
    • Persistent irritability.

    Although conceptually the antisocial, dissocial, and sociopathic personality disorders are synonymous with psychopathy, operationally the diagnostic criteria for these disorders are definitely distinct....The criteria for antisocial personality disorder are largely based on observable behaviors while the criteria for dissocial personality disorder focus more on the affective and interpersonal deficits...

    Much research into psychopathy, as operationalized by the Hare Psychopathy Checklist Revised, has been conducted. The checklist assesses both interpersonal and affective components as well as lifestyle and antisocial deficits. However, the research results cannot be easily extrapolated to the clinical diagnoses of dissocial personality disorder or antisocial personality disorder. A sample research finding is that between 50% and 80% of prisoners in England and Wales meet the diagnostic criteria of dissocial personality disorder, but only 15% would be predicted to be psychopathic as measured by the Checklist. Therefore, the findings drawn from psychopathy research have not yet been shown to be relevant as an aid to the diagnosis and treatment of dissocial or antisocial personality disorders.

    Attempts to correlate dissocial personality disorder have had methodological problems. Although a high percentage of prisoners in England and Wales were shown in one survey to fulfill the criteria for a dissocial personality, since the diagnosis of dissocial personality includes a disregard for social rules and norms, it is not surprising that the same individuals commit crimes.
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonz View Post
    Fits several of my ex boyfriends extremely well...! Scary.
    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    ^^ same here..... I attract this type of person....
    Perhaps because somehow you excuse their behavior and accept it initially, but why else are they attracted to you? Seems better to avoid them altogether.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Fits my ex husband to a tee... scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    Perhaps because somehow you excuse their behavior and accept it initially, but why else are they attracted to you? Seems better to avoid them altogether.
    They're very good at not letting you know until you're in too deep and then it is very much too late to get out unscathed.

    And tbh, I'm not completely sure what it is about my personality that attracts these types. I have however recognized the fact that I do. It might have something to do with the fact that I constantly used to hang out with the "wrong" types of ppl and that's where I've met most of the ones I would describe as psychopaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    They're very good at not letting you know until you're in too deep and then it is very much too late to get out unscathed.

    ^^ Agreed!

    I don't really know why I attract these types, either. Most people tend to think I date assholes in general because I'm far too nice and think that they can change- I have a lot of faith in people, and always give them the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately...most of them have ended up being psychopaths, and NONE of them change.

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    ^^ Maybe you two, and others who can't judge well either, can get help by having them around your trusted friends and listening to your friends' advice. Besides safety it could also be a leaning experience.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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