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    It seems there are more reports on the news where customers end up stabbing, shooting each other after visiting for entertainment. Is it getting worse? Do you know how you can even think of fighting (shooting, stabbing..actually looking to take another life) when surrounded by the environment?

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    Violence and crime overall has increased in the US since the recession started. People are desperate and do desperate things.

    As far as the strip clubs go, many people seek these places out when they need a drug fix. You can ask the dancers here, but I know not a week went by when I wasn't asked where someone could find drugs. If there is drugs, there usually is violence, too. At even the nicest clubs, it wasn't a hard thing to get drugs.

    So, drugs+ strip clubs = violence. It is a real challenge for owners/ managers to keep the dealers away. It is almost more dangerous to forbid the dealers from returning than it would be to just let them stay where you can keep an eye on them.

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    Part of me wonders if the number of incidents is actually increased, or if in the modern age of camera cell phones and the internet, that more things are being reported on a wider basis.

    Also a key part of your question, "after visiting for entertainment", appears flawed to me. My opinion is the people who create problems are not there for just entertainment. Like Paris said they may be there for drugs, or they me be there as stalkers, scorn lovers, or just general thugs.

    As for the surrounding environment, is it really that far of a stretch to see how alcohol, loud music and naked ladies can create some irrational behaviors. Heh.
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    ^^^ You are thinking exactly what I was. I think news just spread a lot faster now so we know more about what is going on then we did before.
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    not too long ago, here in Los Angeles, there was a dancer who was set on fire while leaving for home.

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    we had several threads about that.
    "If she wants to dance and drink all night, well there's no one that can stop her. She's going til the house lights come up or her stomach spills onto the floor. This night is gonna end when we're damn well ready for it to be over, worked all week long, and now the music is playing on our time. Yeah we do what we do to get by, and then we need a release!" - Against Me!, "Thrash Unreal"

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    The violence is not caused by PL's but by pimps/dealers and jealous boy friends, bad boys you know. I have seen more dancer fights as money has gotten tighter but they rarely use weapon.

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    Are you suggesting that innocent people that go for the "entertainment" may not be preyed upon by the "others"?
    I am not referring to psychopaths/sociopaths who may in turn have packed a gun or knife with the intention of "tonight someone is going to die."

    Perhaps you have not been out lately and or have visited clubs outside of your normal routine. I have been to clubs where i was not considered a "regular" or familiar face and although my purpose was for entertainment, i could easily see how things may have progressed to a negative if not for me not taking things seriously.

    I generally find that the feel of many clubs are changing lately, maybe the economic crunch, or a general attitude shift.

    Yes i am well aware that alcohol, beautiful ladies, drugs and competition may lead to potential violence amongst young men but that usually was more common place at bars, pubs and clubs.

    Quote Originally Posted by verfolgung View Post
    Also a key part of your question, "after visiting for entertainment", appears flawed to me. My opinion is the people who create problems are not there for just entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRno View Post
    Are you suggesting that innocent people that go for the "entertainment" may not be preyed upon by the "others"? ...
    You talked about shooting, stabbing and taking a life, which is more than just getting heated and in a moment of irrational thought throwing a punch or two. Yeah, it's a fairly common event to see someone, who may have had a few too many, get ticked off over a bill or some perceived slight and end up getting physical. Usually it's momentary and handled by the bouncers and people just go on with their night.

    However, to shoot or stab means you have to have something on you or easily within your reach. IMO this is an entirely different level.

    If you honestly feel that you've been in situations, which are unique to a SC environment, where you could take someone's life, " if not for [you] not taking things seriously", then I feel sorry for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRno View Post
    Are you suggesting that innocent people that go for the "entertainment" may not be preyed upon by the "others"?
    I am not referring to psychopaths/sociopaths who may in turn have packed a gun or knife with the intention of "tonight someone is going to die."

    This can happen in any industry/ business or even just walking dowm the street.

    Perhaps you have not been out lately and or have visited clubs outside of your normal routine. I have been to clubs where i was not considered a "regular" or familiar face and although my purpose was for entertainment, i could easily see how things may have progressed to a negative if not for me not taking things seriously.

    Nope. Paranoia self-destroyer. Maybe you weren't taking things seriously, but it seems like maybe you are over analyzing.

    I generally find that the feel of many clubs are changing lately, maybe the economic crunch, or a general attitude shift.

    Not lately, been a process.

    Yes i am well aware that alcohol, beautiful ladies, drugs and competition may lead to potential violence amongst young men but that usually was more common place at bars, pubs and clubs.

    ???? Never had a problem at a bar, a nightclub (not that I am a regular goer), a S/C. Well, only once at my friends bar/pub when some guys that got kicked out came back with hoes, crowbars, etc.. There were 4 of them. The lesson they learned that night was the weapons they brought don't mean shit in a gun fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verfolgung View Post
    If you honestly feel that you've been in situations, which are unique to a SC environment, where you could take someone's life, " if not for [you] not taking things seriously", then I feel sorry for you.
    Take it easy.

    Seriously?!?...what is wrong with you? I have been in situations where people would make a point of being rude or discourteous, I chalk that under me perhaps having a suit on where the regulars did not or just simply not looking like the rest of the crowd...instead of me taking that personal i would take note smile finish drink and leave.
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    LOL - What's wrong with me? Dude, you're the one who wrote the following ...

    Quote Originally Posted by MRno View Post
    It seems there are more reports on the news where customers end up stabbing, shooting each other after visiting for entertainment. Is it getting worse? Do you know how you can even think of fighting (shooting, stabbing..actually looking to take another life) when surrounded by the environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by MRno View Post
    ...Perhaps you have not been out lately and or have visited clubs outside of your normal routine. I have been to clubs where i was not considered a "regular" or familiar face and although my purpose was for entertainment, i could easily see how things may have progressed to a negative if not for me not taking things seriously. ...
    I didn't say that you took action. All I said was that I felt sorry that you could be put into a position where commiting the types of violence described in your original OP would seem plausible. Apologies, but I thought that was the point you were trying to make.
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    i haven't noticed any increase in actual violence

    but i have noticed a definite increase in the physicality of guys who try to convince me that they are different from the other customers, and that i should go out with them. they used to just call me a bitch and walk away when i turned them down. now they get in my face, stick around longer, grab onto my arm so i can't walk away, etc. i assume it's because they are high and/or looking for drugs and/or are cops who really want to make a bust. i don't really care. but it's gotten old.
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    stupid people are breeding - add chemicals, liquor and a semi free for all environment. Pepper this with mental illness and you've got a cocktail for dangerous behavior.

    That is why we tip our bouncers and most of the male staff, and tip well.

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    anecdotal evidence...

    i went to a SC last night (havent been to one in weeks) and they were having $2 drink specials all night long. the place was packed with all sorts of riffraff looking dudes. sure enough a fight broke out outside (4 against 1). i didnt get to see it, but my buddy did.

    cheap booze + more guys that girls + getting drunk + half naked women (this can apply to regular bars and clubs too) = violence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    It is a real challenge for owners/ managers to keep the dealers away. It is almost more dangerous to forbid the dealers from returning than it would be to just let them stay where you can keep an eye on them.

    The devil you know...and all that.
    That's a function of the club owners, to set a policy, and the bouncers they hire, to enforce it.

    Some of the clubs I bounced for in my youth were in pretty seedy areas. Lots of drugs moving about. If the owner told me he didn't want drugs in the place we did our best to keep them out. Like you said, difficult but not impossible. Especially if you have enough knowledgable people working on the problem [which is always an issue since most club owners want to do security on the cheap].
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Violence definitely isn't a problem at my club. There have been several incidents each year, but there is never any serious injury (except to the trouble maker). The club is extremely strict about drugs, so there really isn't a drug culture surrounding our work (at this particular place). Our security does a bang-up job screening people they do and don't let in (if they're way too drunk, or they seem to have a chip on their shoulder, or they're wearing sweatpants) so my work tends to be pretty uneventful in the violence department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow2 View Post
    stupid people are breeding
    hahaha too true! and they're always the ones who have like...20 kids. IT'S EXPONENTIAL GROWTH!

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