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    Quote Originally Posted by patchouli View Post
    Holy racism! I mean, wow. I'm willing to say that half of you probably deserve some of the shit you get. Your attitudes need a check up.
    I keep my "racism" in the club. If I'm being honest with myself, (and I generally consider myself VERY against race stereotypes), there are definitely cultural patterns that often dictate how a customer will behave with me. True--maybe only 19/20 mexicans will adhere to my generalizations (i.e. mexicans like pussy), but making these generalizations proves to be extremely profitable.

    I don't think anyone on this board is racist in the traditional sense. However, just like how we generalize the traits of middle-aged white guys, I do save time and make more money by assuming certain things about certain groups of people.

    Obviously I don't do this all of the time. If I see a well-dressed black/mexican/middle-eastern guy, then I don't apply such stereotypes. However, I think any stripper can attest to the fact that most of these stereotypes are completely applicable. If I'm being honest with myself, then these stereotypes really, really do hold to be true the vast majority of the time. I'd be amazed to hear from any stripper that she doesn't try to pre-evaluate customers based on things including but not limited to race, quality of dress, demeanor, drink preference, etc.

    I leave my generalizations in the club when I go home!!!!

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    I guess if an experienced dancer's single goal is to make as much money as possible in the least amount of time, then defining potential customers by their ethnicity is the smart thing to do. I'd personally rather be as non-discriminate as possible and deal with rude customers as well as customers who have a different cultural understanding than I do.. it's how I act naturally in public and I wouldn't want to change that about myself.

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    ^ I generally try to aim for the happy medium. I definitely understand your point though. It's one of the uglier sides of this industry. Similar to how in general managers are less likely to hire black dancers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    ^ I generally try to aim for the happy medium. I definitely understand your point though. It's one of the uglier sides of this industry. Similar to how in general managers are less likely to hire black dancers.
    That's true, and I realize generalization is part of American society anywhere you go and when we're always being stereotyped ourselves it can be difficult to not use it to our advantage when we can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    As for the idiots in sweatpants, they always want something dirty. So i talk dirty to them and do the wild girl persona and they very quickly buy a dance, and then i give them the tamest air dance possible .

    Hahahha. I love you for this. I'm totally going to try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patchouli View Post
    That's true, and I realize generalization is part of American society anywhere you go and when we're always being stereotyped ourselves it can be difficult to not use it to our advantage when we can.

    Not exclusively an American thing.
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    But then I suppose the sort of people who write this kind of crap generally don't allow their opinions to be tainted by things like "facts" and "reality".
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    Quote Originally Posted by patchouli View Post
    Holy racism! I mean, wow. I'm willing to say that half of you probably deserve some of the shit you get. Your attitudes need a check up.
    It's not a racist thing to have given the benefit of the doubt to ppl after neg experiences, and found the same types of behavior to be common among particular groups after repeated encounters with them.

    Not to mention that when I started dancing I had no pre-conceived notions about anyone, so these feelings come AFTER my own experiences, which I don't think makes me a racist. I also agree with what charlie said, and that these feelings only come in to play ITC.
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    Not racism. There is a difference between profiling and racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    Not racism. There is a difference between profiling and racism.
    Again, as Charlie already stated:

    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    I'd be amazed to hear from any stripper that she doesn't try to pre-evaluate customers based on things including but not limited to race, quality of dress, demeanor, drink preference, etc.

    We all profile to some extent bc if we didn't we'd spend a lot of time not making any money, and if I'm not making money I might as well stay home.

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    ^^ I am in agreement.
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    But then I suppose the sort of people who write this kind of crap generally don't allow their opinions to be tainted by things like "facts" and "reality".
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    Mine aren't based off races, but there are some generalities.

    Guys that come in wearing "bling" qualified as any piece of jewelry bigger than my fist, because typically it's just plated jewelry and the guys that wear it want a whole lot for next to nothing. Ugh, I can spot those guys with the plated junk from about a mile away. If they have money they are either going to show it off with the real stuff or they aren't going to flash it with jewelry at all.

    Guys who seem to be incapable of pulling their pants up to their waist rather than letting them hang around their knees. They tend to be the young guys who think they know everything, get into trouble, or think poorly of women.

    When I was younger this career counselor came into our school and gave a speech about judging people by how they dressed. It may not be right to "judge a book by it's cover", but if they cared what people thought of them they would dress differently - so apparently they don't care. It's like how people judge dancers, and if we were that concerned we would be doing something else... but the fact is that although we would appreciate people treating us well, some of us don't care that much what others think of us. The other possibility is that if they all started acting different maybe I would start treating them different.

    I have danced for a variety of races and don't tend to find them to be different unless they come from other countries where women are dominated by men and then they think that "American women are loose". There's a real problem with men like that because they do tend to be very grabby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patchouli View Post
    Holy racism! I mean, wow. I'm willing to say that half of you probably deserve some of the shit you get. Your attitudes need a check up.
    It's not about racism. I have a certain amount of time to make a certain amount of money. I don't have time to shower after rubbing against a stinky person that smells like beans and chilies. Nor do I have time trying to communicate with someone who speaks perfect English, but thinks it's amusing to act like they do not. I'm from Texas and yes I can curse you out in Spanish. Gaelic if you'd prefer.

    I don't have time to haggle over the price of a dance or fend off - wanna be pimps or somebody trying to sell me some gold.

    I also do not have time to be immersed in Indian culture or Asian culture. I am not their wives.

    I am at work to make money. Anything that wastes my time or impedes this process I ignore and will avoid at all costs.

    Truth of the matter, is the men who spend money are older, white men. I do have Black customers. Wheelchair bound customers and even some down home redneck boys that enjoy their visits.

    So, until you actually KNOW me and my work ethic and methods don't call me racist. Check your own self.

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    ^^^ I wonder how much of that he's earned himself. I've seen a trend that parents who give their kids money tend to watch pretty closely to see where it's going. So either his parents don't care or else he did something (invested etc) to earn a decent amount himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glambman View Post
    Not exclusively an American thing.
    never said it was

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    When i go play ball at the gym and we are picking teams i'll pick a black guy over a white guy of the same height and build every time even if i don't know either of them, this is not racism but simply law of averages. It is not racist to say "on average a black dude will be a better ball player than a white dude", its simply what i have observed over a long period of time and much experience. Saying dancers are racists for avoiding young black guys after having bad experiences with them isn't fair, its not like they showed up on their first day and decided not to dance for black guys for the hell of it.

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    if you want to know about how customer's ethnicity affects your money, you'll deliver pizza. at least when i'm dancing i have the choice to avoid customers that i know will not spend money on me, i.e. most black guys. when you deliver pizza all day, every day, you can look at the neighborhood you're delivering to, and guess how big your tip will be, if you get tipped at all with around 90-95% accuracy. an interesting pattern i discovered while delivering pizza is that black women tip more than black men. i have no idea why.

    as far as other races, i speak a lot of spanish, so hispanic guys are frequently worth talking to in my case, otherwise i'd probably avoid them too. and the several middle eastern guys i've danced for have been eager to spend money on me, but also tried to get me to go home with them immediately afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby Ruckus View Post
    if you want to know about how customer's ethnicity affects your money, you'll deliver pizza. at least when i'm dancing i have the choice to avoid customers that i know will not spend money on me, i.e. most black guys. when you deliver pizza all day, every day, you can look at the neighborhood you're delivering to, and guess how big your tip will be, if you get tipped at all with around 90-95% accuracy. an interesting pattern i discovered while delivering pizza is that black women tip more than black men. i have no idea why.

    as far as other races, i speak a lot of spanish, so hispanic guys are frequently worth talking to in my case, otherwise i'd probably avoid them too. and the several middle eastern guys i've danced for have been eager to spend money on me, but also tried to get me to go home with them immediately afterwards.
    I hear that a lot from waiters/waitresses also. A friend of mine that worked at Chillis told me "i wasn't racist until i started waiting tables".

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    Black women tipped you more than black men? When I was a waitress I had the opposite experience. And yeah, I learned to be racist then too. Old white women were also to be avoided.
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    Black women tipped you more than black men? When I was a waitress I had the opposite experience. And yeah, I learned to be racist then too. Old white women were also to be avoided.
    Old people of all races were raised during a time when a 10% was the max so they tend to tip less.

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    They're also from a time when 25 cents was enough for a double feature. "Here's a quarter, darling, go buy yourself somethin nice."
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    The groups of Mexican guys who come up to work at the Saratoga track during the summer...I speak enough Spanish to get by, and understand a little more than that, but I hide it, and the shit these guys will say when they think I don't understand is nothing short of disgusting and outrageously insulting...plus, they always whip their dicks out in the private dances and try to pull us down on top of them when they do it. Fucking GROSS. They think $5 gets them a fuck or a blow job. Not dealing with that shit.

    The gross middle-aged or old white trash guys with poor hygiene and half their teeth. They get grabby. And they don't usually like me anyways cause I use too many big words for them to understand.

    Big groups of bikers. They're cheap and amazingly disrespectful. If one of them distances himself from the group a bit, he's usually much better.

    Really drunk young guys. They tend to misread signals and they think we're actually into them, and then they'll get grabby during the dances.

    Ghetto guys of all shapes, sizes, colors, whatever. They don't really like me anyways.

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    i find white guys who think they are ghetto some of the worst. i forgot to mention them as customers i avoid because i havent really seen them in my new club (thank god). In my old club, whenever they came in they were always cheap and convinced they were husslas. One of them even informed me he was hustlin me and told me he respects nobody (yep...he actually firmly informed me that he has no respect for anybody...a real catch) and then proceeded to treat his posse (3 scrawnier white guys who also thought they were hood) like crap and order them around. Oy i do not miss those types at all!

    at least they sometimes would spend money on the black girls.. probably because a lot of the black girls from my club were pretty hood and actually scared the white boys lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mediocrity View Post
    - If they look unhygenic.
    - People who hoot and holler at me and say obscene things.
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    I totally agree at the "say obscene things" but the hoot and holler I think it depends. Some of them can be your best friends.

    In clubs sometimes I feel for the dancers on dead nights, when there is a crowd but they just don't seem to have any energy. No energy crowds: 1) bring dancers down and 2) even more important, don't tip particularly well.

    I've been known to be something of a polite clown and on a dead night in a club pull an antic or two out of my trick bag to fire the crowd up a bit and kick start them into party [and tipping] mode.

    A wily dancers or two who recognize what I am up to have been known to partner with me in crime and thank me later [in words... just in words] for kicking the crowd in its side.

    Positive energy and good tipping frequently go hand in hand and someone who is positively effecting crowd mood can be an asset.
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