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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    I always talk to the guys who aren't drinking alcohol, especially if they're alone. I figure if they're not drinking, then they can't give me the "I just came in for a beer" bullshit.
    i know. if i'm in an alcohol club, i totally focus on the guys with water, provided they look old enough to drink.
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    Men that have water or Soda - or don't purchase drinks.
    ???

    I don't understand this one.

    For instance, I am a middle-aged man and like a lot of middle-aged men in the US now-days I am type 2 diabetic. As I diabetic alcohol, which is sugar, isn't usually at the top of my drink choices [though I still enjoy a shot or a beer now and again]. So I drink bottled water or soda.

    Now I come into a club well groomed and dressed well [though comfortably which means sometimes I am wearing an expensive pair of track pants - cut like regular pants but are made of breathable cotton and no zipper]. I behave within the limits that are expected of me [which means I let the dancer set her limits and I adhere to them and only get rowdy if she does first] and I SPEND.

    Judging someone like me based on what drink I have in my hand [diet Coke] or my track pants [I know, I know... ] could be an expensive mistake.

    Just saying...
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    ???

    I don't understand this one.

    For instance, I am a middle-aged man and like a lot of middle-aged men in the US now-days I am type 2 diabetic. As I diabetic alcohol, which is sugar, isn't usually at the top of my drink choices [though I still enjoy a shot or a beer now and again]. So I drink bottled water or soda.

    Now I come into a club well groomed and dressed well [though comfortably which means sometimes I am wearing an expensive pair of track pants - cut like regular pants but are made of breathable cotton and no zipper]. I behave within the limits that are expected of me [which means I let the dancer set her limits and I adhere to them and only get rowdy if she does first] and I SPEND.

    Judging someone like me based on what drink I have in my hand [diet Coke] or my track pants [I know, I know... ] could be an expensive mistake.

    Just saying...
    There are always exceptions to every rule, obviously. I speak to everyone and the guys that don't get an alcoholic drink or bring their own are just passing through so to speak. IE: They wont be there long. It's not about cheapness in this case. It's about time management which I am terribly anal about.

    Use to be the on duty police sitting in our club were not allowed to drink - vice looking for something raunchy going on. Now they can basically do whatever so that's not a tell tale sign. It is still a knee jerk reaction for me.

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    ^ Anyway, the exceptions to the rule don't matter. Crow tries to profile people based on her generalized, past experiences (as we all do), and probably generally profits because of this.

    Granted, some of us may miss out on the one-in-a-hundred, huge whale-of-a spender who's black, wears his underwear over his head, is chewing on a glass full of ice, and smells like he crawled out of a sewer...but it's worth stereotyping based on the other hundred guys we profile successfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    ^ Anyway, the exceptions to the rule don't matter. Crow tries to profile people based on her generalized, past experiences (as we all do), and probably generally profits because of this.

    Granted, some of us may miss out on the one-in-a-hundred, huge whale-of-a spender who's black, wears his underwear over his head, is chewing on a glass full of ice, and smells like he crawled out of a sewer...but it's worth stereotyping based on the other hundred guys we profile successfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    Granted, some of us may miss out on the one-in-a-hundred, huge whale-of-a spender who's black, wears his underwear over his head, is chewing on a glass full of ice, and smells like he crawled out of a sewer...but it's worth stereotyping based on the other hundred guys we profile successfully.

    You're my hero.

    Perfect example for me was tonight. My club was PACKED full of young guys tonight. To walk in you would have thought we were banking. Wrong! No one was spending a dime. Which lets me add to my original list - not even sure why I didn't list it in the first place truthfully but... I stay away from college kids!

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    You SO crack me up - and stop picking on me!
    You like it. Don't lie.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    You're my hero.

    Perfect example for me was tonight. My club was PACKED full of young guys tonight. To walk in you would have thought we were banking. Wrong! No one was spending a dime. Which lets me add to my original list - not even sure why I didn't list it in the first place truthfully but... I stay away from college kids!
    That's my biggest pet peeve. When the club is packed with non-spenders like this, I always feel like it's my fault for not making money. Worst feeling ever. Suddenly I have X-Ray vision, and I can see the hundreds of dollars in everyones' pockets that they're not spending on me. Ahhh!!!

    I never approach college kids. They must approach me first. I can't connect with people my age. Like "two ships passing in the night"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    That's my biggest pet peeve. When the club is packed with non-spenders like this, I always feel like it's my fault for not making money. Worst feeling ever. Suddenly I have X-Ray vision, and I can see the hundreds of dollars in everyones' pockets that they're not spending on me. Ahhh!!!

    I never approach college kids. They must approach me first. I can't connect with people my age. Like "two ships passing in the night"...
    Weekends are usually my biggest money nights and last night was terrible. I usually make my first $100 long before midnight. Last night I made $70 for the night. It was pathetic. We even had a bachelor party in, and not a single one of them was tipping!! I'm really thinking I need a change of scenery.

    I have always been the same way in terms of not connecting with ppl my own age, even all the way back in high school. My mom calls me an "old soul" lol. Plus college kids are notoriously bad tippers. They're too far into the "I don't have to pay for it" mentality. They're the ones who will give you phone numbers instead of dollars.

    I did however meet an awesome guy who was in the marines. I <3 marines.

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    I... seriously... hate... the college student excuse.

    1- I'm a college student too. Plus, your parents most likely pay your tuition and whatever else you need, and in all likelihood also send you spending $$. I gotta pay my own rent/ tuition/ food/ everything.

    2- That's why I GOT A JOB. Maybe you can get one too.

    3- Because you don't have a job, you're gonna fuck over those of us who do?

    4- I see some of the same kids at the bar my bf works at. They don't seem to be on a budget there. <--- Why I switched to a club NOT n my college town.

    5- GTFO of my club. "TIPS or GTFO"

    I HATE COLLEGE STUDENTS. Hated them as a waitress, hate them now.
    Actually, female college students tip better at SCs, I find. Guys just wanna see ass n titties and thinks the cover entitles them to that. Girls go there for shits an giggles, and will tip dollar after dollar after dollar as long as I make it fun for them.
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    I don't stay away from anyone. But I am wary of college aged guys, young black guys, mexicans, and middle eastern guys. Mainly because they all seem to want to grope me and be very very rude.

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    I try to give everyone a chance, because I've been really suprised in the past by the money (and no money) that people have had, based on how they look. There was a really rough looking guy that used to come in all the time at this old club I worked at and I used to ignore him everyday, thinking he had no money, but once, when it was really slow, I went up to him and was massively suprised when he took me to the CR room for 3 hours. I don't know why he chose to look so bad, but it just proved to me that you really can't judge a book by it's cover.

    But that's not to say that MOST of the homeless looking men DO have money--stereotypes exsist because they are generally true. All I'm saying is that before you pass someone up, just think about the possibility. Going up to them and talking for 2 minutes and asking isn't going to hurt anything and you MAY end up lucky.

    That being said, there are a few types of people I generally avoid, just simply for personal annoyance reasons. I HATE HATE HATE young attractive men--they are always cocky and drunk and inevitably think that because they are young and hot that they don't have to pay you to dance for them--I've had to many say to me "just give me a free dance, you know you want to" or "i could totally get you outside the club so why not just give me your number?" young men come into strip clubs looking for a "girlfriend" all the time, and I just hate dealing with that bull. It's like the worst male egos, combined with alcohol, that produce the most vile feelings in me.

    I also avoid, obviously, smelling and gross looking people, and people with poor hygiene. It just disgusts me. I don't understand the mentality: you're going to a STRIP CLUB where girls are going to get close to you---why would you go in stinking? Maybe there is a mental health issue here, but anyone that messed up in the head is not going to be holding a steady enough job to have a lot of money anyways.

    I don't speak any other language so I sometimes stay away from people who can't speak English because I feel dumb and fustrated and don't know how to communicate with them. Also, I've been ripped off by people who "couldn't understand what I was saying", and I don't want any confusion about what I'm selling or how much it is.

    I actually really dig black guys, but most really aren't into me. I have no ass, and I don't dance like they like, and I feel that I don't have much in common with me. But I still go up to them, and I like the nerdy ones A LOT. Mostly, they are fun to have in a club I think because they are all about "making it rain" and always liven things up. Black men know how to HAVE FUN and get rowdy, which I LOVE. Strip clubs can get so boring when it's all business men, feeling awkward about being there, lol.

    My favorite people are middle aged, to older men who look nice, smell nice, and who have some quirk about them. Also, I go for tatted up men and greasers, since I have that look, and I always love the bikers. They may not have thousands, but I tend to get along well with them, and everything they DO have, ends up my way. Unlike a lot of girls on here it seems like, I LOVE couples and always sit with them! I don't understand why so many girls won't go near. It's twice as many lapdances! Same with lesbians--I LOVE them too! But I also am into chicks majorly, so it's also more fun and I feel sexier and more secure when I'm dancing for another woman. Other than that, I like the nerdy guys and any guy with long hair.

    I have a thing against business men though that I should probably get over, given as how that's where most of the money is. I just don't have much in common with them and they generally are turned off by my tattoos and crazy hair to the point where I've had them outright run away from me in terror. I just don't have the look that most of them are going for--ie big fake boobs (mine are real), a tan, blonde hair, and fake nails. Not that I haven't had some good businessmen that liked me, it's just that most of them are either way not interested or down right rude to me (i.e. "you'd be so much hotter without all that shit on your body"). YUCK! I just don't like their attitudes and I don't know how to handle them.

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    I have a thing against business men though that I should probably get over, given as how that's where most of the money is. I just don't have much in common with them and they generally are turned off by my tattoos and crazy hair to the point where I've had them outright run away from me in terror. I just don't have the look that most of them are going for--ie big fake boobs (mine are real), a tan, blonde hair, and fake nails.
    Not true! business dont always want blonde, fake boobs and tan. dont get me wrong, some business guys come into the club with a certain type, usually this or sometimes the tan brunettes, but thats not the majority. I have a crazy hair color (although even though it is unnatural, it goes very well with my skin) and most of my best paying customers are businessmen. I just keep my makeup real pretty and dress classy and keep my personality extremely friendly. Usually if i act like a classy, well spoken girl, they will like me. Plus usually i can make them laugh which helps relieve the stress of their day and give them a favorable opinion of me. If that fails, you can also try to appeal to the side of them that likes to feel young and wild, which most men have if you spin the conversation correctly. Remember, businessmen typically want what they are not getting at home, and while this includes the big boobed blondes, it also includes the incredibly sexy punk girl. If you spin your personality appropriately, you can get a large portion of businessmen to like you. So yea, like you said, getting over your "thing against" business men is probably a good idea; don't let your look hurt your confidence when approaching them! Once you get used to communicating with them they will probably be your most sought out customers .

    oh yea one more trick for business men if they complain about tattoos on your back if you work at a gown club and usually have it covered. I have one tattoo on my back that they tend to be less fond of. Basicially after getting them very into my personality (hopefully this is successful) and i sell them the first dance i start facing them ( i have no tattoos on my front) and take my dress off as sensually as possible. I start the dance off facing them and make it as sexy as possible until it is clear that they are really enjoying it. Then after they are into it i turn around so they dont notice my tattoo until now. Then by the time they notice the tattoo they are too into me and the dance to really care. Sometimes they will comment on it in which case I will be like "uh bad old descision" and lean back on them to distract them and shut them up then continue with the dance, and even though they wouldnt have been fond of the tattoo they will want more. Thus the tattoo doesnt hurt my money .
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    ^ Anyway, the exceptions to the rule don't matter. Crow tries to profile people based on her generalized, past experiences (as we all do), and probably generally profits because of this.

    Granted, some of us may miss out on the one-in-a-hundred, huge whale-of-a spender who's black, wears his underwear over his head, is chewing on a glass full of ice, and smells like he crawled out of a sewer...but it's worth stereotyping based on the other hundred guys we profile successfully.

    I'm not suggesting you are wrong, but I do have to point out that this kind of profiling got the bosses in my former profession into a world of ca-ca not so long ago.

    [just being funny, but it is true... if you recall all the commotion about police profiling that was in the news a little while back]
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    I... seriously... hate... the college student excuse.

    1- I'm a college student too. Plus, your parents most likely pay your tuition and whatever else you need, and in all likelihood also send you spending $$. I gotta pay my own rent/ tuition/ food/ everything.

    2- That's why I GOT A JOB. Maybe you can get one too.

    3- Because you don't have a job, you're gonna fuck over those of us who do?

    4- I see some of the same kids at the bar my bf works at. They don't seem to be on a budget there. <--- Why I switched to a club NOT n my college town.

    5- GTFO of my club. "TIPS or GTFO"

    I HATE COLLEGE STUDENTS. Hated them as a waitress, hate them now.
    Actually, female college students tip better at SCs, I find. Guys just wanna see ass n titties and thinks the cover entitles them to that. Girls go there for shits an giggles, and will tip dollar after dollar after dollar as long as I make it fun for them.

    I know you aren't apt to agree with me but...

    While you have every right to "hate" people who aren't tipping you I can almost guarantee that if you are carrying that feeling in any way that it is easily discerned by the customers in the club it is hurting your bottom line.

    As far as the customers are concerned, almost to a man/woman, their entry fee at the door does entitle them to a seat and whatever their eyes pull in around them. Touching, talking, etc: no, but looking... most certainly. Just like walking into a supermarket doesn't mean they have to purchase any groceries but they can walk up and down the isles as much as they like and look at all the goods there for purchase.

    It simply is the way it is and in order to bank successfully you have to let go of the angst associated with witnessing "window shoppers" come and go without spending any money. It is the cost of doing business.

    Selling is ALL about attitude and if your feelings negatively impact the attitude you present the customer that makes them want to buy than you are losing money. It is as simple as that.
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post

    As far as the customers are concerned, almost to a man/woman, their entry fee at the door does entitle them to a seat and whatever their eyes pull in around them. Touching, talking, etc: no, but looking... most certainly. Just like walking into a supermarket doesn't mean they have to purchase any groceries but they can walk up and down the isles as much as they like and look at all the goods there for purchase.

    It simply is the way it is and in order to bank successfully you have to let go of the angst associated with witnessing "window shoppers" come and go without spending any money. It is the cost of doing business.
    This is NOT going to turn into another one of those threads. We've already had a thread that intensely discussed the extreme differences between the entertainment/sex industry and other industries. The conclusion: they absolutely cannot be equated with one another.

    This is a whooooole different issue than the one described under this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    This is NOT going to turn into another one of those threads. We've already had a thread that intensely discussed the extreme differences between the entertainment/sex industry and other industries. The conclusion: they absolutely cannot be equated with one another.

    This is a whooooole different issue than the one described under this topic.
    WHOA!!!

    Missed the point.

    I'm simply talking sales in general. Any sales.

    The first thing the customer has to do to purchase from you is decide he likes you. If the person trying to make a sale is carrying a chip on their shoulder for some reason all the customer knows is that s/he senses ambivalence. S/he doesn't know it has nothing to do with him/her. He just knows s/he can sense that person's knickers are in a twist and so the potential purchaser takes it personally and thus decides, within the first 10 seconds, that person isn't someone they want to purchase anything from.

    That's general salesmanship 101 and works across all forms of sales. It could be riding mowers or dances. All the same in that sense.

    So all I am saying is that it works against the seller to get upset by any of the people hanging out in their shop, whatever that shop might be selling, as you tend to carry that stuff with you where it can be seen by others who might want to purchase from you.
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    I avoid people that look away when I look at them, for me it's all body language, you can tell by someone's body language whether they are interested or not. And let me say I have been surprised because each "type" of clientle has represented themselves as being generous or stingy. Older men tend to prefer me though.
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    WHOA!!!

    Missed the point.

    I'm simply talking sales in general. Any sales.

    The first thing the customer has to do to purchase from you is decide he likes you. If the person trying to make a sale is carrying a chip on their shoulder for some reason all the customer knows is that s/he senses ambivalence. S/he doesn't know it has nothing to do with him/her. He just knows s/he can sense that person's knickers are in a twist and so the potential purchaser takes it personally and thus decides, within the first 10 seconds, that person isn't someone they want to purchase anything from.

    That's general salesmanship 101 and works across all forms of sales. It could be riding mowers or dances. All the same in that sense.

    So all I am saying is that it works against the seller to get upset by any of the people hanging out in their shop, whatever that shop might be selling, as you tend to carry that stuff with you where it can be seen by others who might want to purchase from you.
    I disagree with everything you just said: I don't think I misunderstood your former post (with all due respect). However, this belongs in another thread, so I will drop the point.

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    Thanks, Athenathefabulous. Good tips. I've actually done that whole covering up the tatts thing, but it doesn't work so well for me since I have tattoos on both my front and back (and arms and legs). I just usually wear a stylish jacket (because it's ALWAYS cold at work) and knee high socks. Those both cover most of my tatts, but I do have some on my hands and my neck, but my hair sometimes covers the neck piece. So I go asking around for dances WITH the jacket on and only after they are in the booth and paid up for a dance do I take it off. That way, they can't balk at the last minute because of the tattoos.

    It also kinda sucks for me because my nickname is (obviously) Black Widow, and I was fool hardy enough to get it tattooed across my chest. So now, whenever I'm at work, men see that and it really frightens the ones that aren't into tattoos to begin with, let alone some chick who apparently is proud of the fact she eats men. I try to wear a lot of necklaces to cover it up, but still, people ask, and my neck tattoo is a black widow spider. Plus, my tattoos aren't of butterflies and fairies and stuff: skeletons, disemboled zombie pin up chicks, hearts being eaten by worms, ect are most of what I have, plus one on my hand that says "fuck the world."

    SO yeah--most business men, even the "wilder" ones really can't get that much into me if they really look at me too closely. I really just didn't think too hard before getting most of my ink and although I personally still love all of it, I KNOW it hurts my income. Every day, and three times tonight alone, I had people tell me "I would, but the tatts scare me".

    But I will, as always, continue to try. I just know who my customers generally are and who they aren't. You of course get the odd business man who really has a fetish for weird tats and crazy women, but on the whole, business men can generally handle Hello Kitty tattoos and stuff like that, but not what I'm rocking. And that's alright. I make enough to be satisfied and comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    I'm not suggesting you are wrong, but I do have to point out that this kind of profiling got the bosses in my former profession into a world of ca-ca not so long ago.

    [just being funny, but it is true... if you recall all the commotion about police profiling that was in the news a little while back]


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    I avoid meathead, sausage festing young (or middle aged) guys. I can't stnd these guys...they act like you are beneath them and that they are doing you a favor by being there. I am not submissive in the least and I think they perfer dancers with no self esteem that they can have their "cheap fun" with. Fuck those guys.

    I avoid customers that have quarters sitting on the table or bar for the waitress/bartender. Tips me off that they might be REALLY cheap and not worth my time.

    Anyone bitching bout cover charges or drink prices. If a guy is gonna bitch about the price of a beer, slim chance they will get a dance.

    I actually LOVE the spicy mexican boys. Could be because I have been dating one for 5 years and I don't snub them. So may girls group them together and just overlook them entirely. There are cheap latin men and those that spend. I appreciate that they don't seem to be half as pretentious asnd bawdy as the majority of white guys I deal with.

    My fav has gotta be...traveling middle aged/older man sitting alone. These are my target customers. Often they are just as hungry for conversation as alone time...and will pay handsomely for it.

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    There used to be a group of like four Native American guys that would travel to my club from a reservation up north. None of them looked older than 18, and one of them looked about 14. But they would come in and sit in the back of the bar, real quiet. And all the girls were like, "Oh, they're too young, I'm not going to bother." But me and this other dancer I'm friendly with approached them, and after like five minutes it started getting good. They were tipping $20's for time, and they'd tip us $100's on stage when we went up. And they came back a few times, with the same kind of money.

    I haven't seen them in months and months, and I mentioned them to a girl at work the other night, and she was like, "Oh, didn't you hear? They were drug dealers, they all got busted and they're in prison."

    Dammit.

    So, never underestimate the really young looking ones. Drug money or not, it's all the same when I'm buying shit with it.

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    cheap guys. Potential time wasters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abcd View Post

    When you stop a dance before the song is over, don't customers refuse to pay or at least refuse to pay the entire cost of the dance?
    No. And it's in their best interest that they don't. if I stop a dance before it's suppose to be over there's a good reason for it and the man knows that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abcd View Post

    When you stop a dance before the song is over, don't customers refuse to pay or at least refuse to pay the entire cost of the dance?
    I assume she takes all payment up front. After that the DJ/ management usually has your back.

    Speaking of obnoxious guys hooting...
    I had this guy who kept making these... cat calls? He sounded like a dying cat, and kept doing the same sound every few SECONDS. The whole damn time he was there. Which was a few hours. And we could hear it in the VIP/ DR... And to top it off, every time he tipped, he took a dollar, slowly, and held it above his head as he SLOWLY folded it lengthwise, twice. Good job wasting my time... Fucker...
    He was at the end of the stage closest to the bar and the bar maid made a motion like she was going to pour hot coffee on his head. I love her
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