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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    And my point is that I don't agree...
    I'm with you yoda, girlfriends and dancers are both real, they just have different roles (and costs and benefits and pluses and minuses).

    I would also throw this out there as something I sort of believe. ITC the guys' looks don't matter (almost always) and the 2 people are free to talk about almost anything (sex, drugs, whatever) without normal societal restrictions. When the stars align just right in this environment (and I admit it is rare), there is the opportunity for 2 people to make a mental connection that would never occur in the real world, because the 2 would have never crossed paths or if so, the girl would never have given the guy the time of day.

    So in some circumstances, reality of the club can be > reality of the outside world.

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    FYI Dan Rather Reports on HD-Net has a piece on a Las Vegas Stripper. They mention that the fantasy that she sells at the club is much different than her real life. She's been doing it 20 years and turns 40 soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    By jove I think you've got it.

    All I want is:

    - hotness (check)
    - nudity (check)
    - contact (check)
    - she providing these to be nice to me (check)

    The reality is, I get all those. She could be thinking something absolutely different ("I hate you and you repulse me") in her own mind whether it's pay-for-play OR a real relationship. Doesn't make what you get on the surface any less real.
    The physical aspects of a SC are real... But, the emotional aspects are pure fantasy... Your last item, "She providing these to be nice to me" IS THE FANTASY... You assume that she cares at all about being "nice" to you...

    To say that emotions play NO ROLE in the custie's enjoyment experience is macho bullshit and you know it... The male ego is fragile thing, no matter how much you try and hide it. The dancers know this and massaging the male ego is probably 3/4 of their work. Showing tits and ass is only 1/4 of their work.

    To say that you don't care if the dancer finds you repulsive is just a big LIE. In truth,... if the dancer stopped acting like she has the hots for you,... if she just told you straight up and honestly -- you look like a disgusting pig and hate myself for even being near you, but my husband left me and I've got two little kids to feed... or I need to pay my tuition next semester, etc... That would be a buzz kill and your little feelings would be seriously hurt.

    I would not want any dancer dancing for me if she found me repulsive or hated her job. I go through a mini-courtship with my dancers and there has to be some "professional chemistry" for us to do business. They don't get the thrill that I get from the encounter,... obviously, but at least I have to feel some customer appreciation.

    If you care nothing at all for the dancer, as a person, which I seriously doubt,... that would almost put you on par with men who force themselves on women or men who take pleasure in a woman's misfortune.

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    It's kinda like going to Disney Land. You know that girl in the costume isn't really Snow White. You know the castle isn't a real castle and there's no real princes and princesses inhabiting it. But you just enjoy the make believe environment.

    When you go into a club, you probably know that the dancers aren't really into you as a person. You know there's a good chance these girls wouldn't be flirting with you in the outside world. Though it's (hopefully) not something you reflect on in the club, if you think about it, you know there's a good chance she would rather be somewhere else than at work. Even though she's laughing, she might not really find your jokes funny. Even though she's looking at you all sultry and acting like she's enjoying the lap dance, she's not really having the sexual experience you are. That's the fantasy element. When we tell guys to enjoy the fantasy, what we mean is that they shouldn't get hung up on wondering if she really likes him, or if she's really enjoying the dance, or if she really thinks he's funny. He should just suspend disbelief, not worry about what's "real," and just enjoy the experience for what it is. It sounds like you're able to do this. I wish all customers could!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    Actually no, because I forgot to add one that you can't get from a wife or girlfriend, and is not available to most of us who aren't hot or an athlete or a musician or actor:

    -- variety


    And, if you think most SC customers (present company included) can get a hot 20-y/o as a wife or girlfriend OTC, I have a nice piece of swampland to sell you in Florida.

    Ding ding ding!!! Hellooo??? Yah! Fantasy!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    It's kinda like going to Disney Land. You know that girl in the costume isn't really Snow White. You know the castle isn't a real castle and there's no real princes and princesses inhabiting it. But you just enjoy the make believe environment.

    When you go into a club, you probably know that the dancers aren't really into you as a person. You know there's a good chance these girls wouldn't be flirting with you in the outside world. Though it's (hopefully) not something you reflect on in the club, if you think about it, you know there's a good chance she would rather be somewhere else than at work. Even though she's laughing, she might not really find your jokes funny. Even though she's looking at you all sultry and acting like she's enjoying the lap dance, she's not really having the sexual experience you are. That's the fantasy element. When we tell guys to enjoy the fantasy, what we mean is that they shouldn't get hung up on wondering if she really likes him, or if she's really enjoying the dance, or if she really thinks he's funny. He should just suspend disbelief, not worry about what's "real," and just enjoy the experience for what it is. It sounds like you're able to do this. I wish all customers could!
    Yeah, this is a pretty good explanation. But on this site, customers are advised both not to peek behind the curtain and ask if she "really likes me", but also not to believe what she's telling you...because it's all a fantasy. Seems to me those are contradictory and you can only do them both if you check your brain at the door.

    The way I solve it is, I don't talk about fake stuff. With my current fave we talk about her figure modeling competitions or my other girls or her family or other regular topics of conversations. With previous ones I went even further and became OTC friends. Yeah, when it comes to "naked time" I know they're not enjoying it like I am and it's just a job. BUT, I also didn't consider it a "fantasy" when my server at lunch today told me how much she enjoyed serving me. I'm sure that's not true, and she wanted a bigger tip, but it's Just a job, right?

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    The female ego is just as fragile. I do a lot of rejecting in and outside the club and man do girls hate to be rejected. What's interesting about the dynamic in the strip club is that the roles are reversed. In the real world women do the rejecting, in the strip club the men do and I think they hate it.

    So when you're at a bar or grocery store and a woman smiles or doesn't avoid eye contact that's a green light to say Hi. It seems too many strippers don't know this rule in reverse. Perhaps they've read the Hustle Hut too much. LOL

    I guess that's another pet peeve of mine. If I'm avoiding eye contact with you, I don't want to dance. Why must you make me turn you down? Perhaps they can smell the money on me? But they've got no chance of getting any of it if they're over a size 2. haha, Zero is my Hero.

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    Hmm, I don't really see the contradiction. Basically, I would say take it all with a grain of salt. Perhaps the dancer is saying things to give the impression she finds you attractive- telling you how handsome you are, how sweet you are, how she wishes more men were like you etc, etc. Does she mean all of this? Maybe...Maybe not. Maybe she means some of it. Maybe she says it to all the guys, and it's more true for some than for others. But why worry about it? You don't have to "peak behind the curtain" and try to find out if it's genuine. Rather, I would encourage customers to just enjoy it. Just like you shouldn't question whether an especially enthusiastic waiter was really as excited to chat with you as he seemed.


    Unless a man's intent is to date the dancer, I don't think he needs to peak behind the curtain or accept everything she says as true. And if he does want to date the dancer...well, you know how we all feel about that
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    It seems that both answers are correct. It's part fantasy, part reality. The dancers are role playing similiar to when a wife dresses up in a nurses uniform or school girl outfit to elicit sexual arousal from her husband. The husband's fantasy intensifies his sexual experience. Same thing for the dancer. The dancer is using artificial means (fantasy, ie, fake girlfriend) to elicit a sexual and emotional response from the customer.

    The reality part is when the wife fucks the husband. The husband fucks his wife while he's playing out the fantasy, but he's still fucking her. The dancer provides the role playing fantasy (fake girlfriend), but then actually comes in contact with the customer. Both the husband and the customer are still in the fantasy state until the fucking (husband), lap dancing (customer) is over. So, it's a combination of both. You're getting the reality while still playing out the fantasy.

    Having fantasies is not a bad thing, it's used by both men and women all the time (daddy fantasies, rape fantasies, etc.). Fantasies are fun! Even though many customers are aware of how SCs work, having a hot, half naked woman sitting next to you will elicit these sexual and emotional responses without us being totally aware of it. We just feel good, but don't know why.

    There are all kinds of exceptions to what I wrote. Some people just go to the SC for the dances, party atmosphere, just to watch the dancing, drinking, etc.

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    The female ego is just as fragile. I do a lot of rejecting in and outside the club and man do girls hate to be rejected. What's interesting about the dynamic in the strip club is that the roles are reversed. In the real world women do the rejecting, in the strip club the men do and I think they hate it.

    So when you're at a bar or grocery store and a woman smiles or doesn't avoid eye contact that's a green light to say Hi. It seems too many strippers don't know this rule in reverse. Perhaps they've read the Hustle Hut too much. LOL

    I guess that's another pet peeve of mine. If I'm avoiding eye contact with you, I don't want to dance. Why must you make me turn you down? Perhaps they can smell the money on me? But they've got no chance of getting any of it if they're over a size 2. haha, Zero is my Hero.
    It's our job to ask you if you want a dance. If I didn't go up and ask guys if they wanted a dance I'd never make any money. It has nothing to do with role reversal or "smelling your money" (LMAO). And trust me, if you say no to me it isn't the end of my world bc there's lots more where you came from. My ego isn't fragile at all, certainly not at work. Not to mention that I'd much rather get a no than a maybe later so that I come back and have to waste more of my time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    ...on this site, customers are advised both not to peek behind the curtain and ask if she "really likes me", but also not to believe what she's telling you...because it's all a fantasy. Seems to me those are contradictory and you can only do them both if you check your brain at the door.
    And IRL as well. For quite a few years now several dancers have been friends outside of work. Add up the conversations with them (and quite a few other dancers I've given lifts home over the years) and the fantasy has been killed for me. Too many 'peeks behind the curtain'.

    If I go into a venue to pick up one of these dancers and give her a lift home, 'professional' nudity doesn't have much of an impact on me and I have zero interest in lap dances.

    Yet seeing the same dancer in a bikini outside of work still has a marked effect on me - showing the importance of situation on eroticism.

    Back in the dim and distant past when I was getting lap dances I always found that the best way to to relax the dancer was to say that (a) I realized it was only entertainment, (b) I didn't take it 100% seriously, (c) she had a nice figure that I'd enjoy looking at for the next few minutes and (d) I had no intention of asking for her phone number.

    In retrospect I was probably putting myself in the 'nice customer' category - which set up a bit of a mutually causative loop. The dancer was relaxed when she danced for me, I enjoyed the dance, the dancer liked me enjoying myself - which increased my enjoyment.... And so on.

    Yet, that's not a situation I can go back to - too much reality in the intervening time. Which perhaps is why fantasy is needed n SC's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    Every other thread in CC has something about "the fantasy", "maintaining the fantasy", "blowing the fantasy", "remember it's all a fantasy", etc.

    I'm not sure what "the fantasy" being referred to is....

    I don't get what "the fantasy" is.
    Come on, man, you're thinking too hard. The fantasy is a TEASE, as in teasing you out of your money. If you enjoy it, maybe it's worth it to you. But that's what it really is.

    How you are teased is between you and the stripper (shhhh).
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    ABOUT FANTASY - There is a little bit of fantasy in just about every service-oriented profession, though... The SAD TRUTH is that nobody gives a shit about anyone else, and people are solely motivated by greed ,... But, this is to harsh to bear, so we all inject a little fantasy into our business relationships...

    Police/Fire/Ambulance... If they save your life, you smile, give them warm hugs, are eternally greatful to them, remember them the rest of your life, name your children after them, etc... But, what if they revealed the TRUTH to you this way: "Lady, I don't know you, you look like a slut, and your life means nothing to me, but since I am on duty, and I want a pay raise next year, I came and did my job..."... I mean, really, specially after 9/11, there has been a lot of fantasy about these professionals. (I mean no disrespect to them, and yes, they do risk their life on the line of duty... but come on people,... it's their job,... they do it for money just like you dancers dance for money...)

    Doctor - The fantasy is he/she wants to save your life and wants you to live forever. But, if you die tomorrow,... trust me, they won't lose sleep over it... They "lose" so many patients each year, that they don't even keep track... If they save a life, people react with eternal love and admiration... Truth is, they don't give a shit either way,... until they get sued. They became doctors because they love $$$$$$, no other reason.

    Lawyers - When the whole entire world wants you to drop dead, you can always count on a lawyer to be your one true friend and compassionate advocate... to listen to you and understand you, when no one else will;... to fight with you side-by-side to the very end, for the sake of "justice", right? Enough said.

    If you think about how many professionals completely rely on and profit from other people's misery,... it is astonishing... They all pretend to care, but don't,... I know, because I am one of them...

    Dancers belong to the group known as salespeople. Brokers/Salesperson always try to develop a personal "bond" with you and become your new best friend. They will hunt down and negotiate the best deal for you because they love you, right? Enough said.

    But, dancers also belong to the group know as entertainment. Entertainment is the most honest of all the groups... Except for people "reporting news" who pretend to report the "truth", everyone knows that entertainers are in the business of providing fiction and FANTASY.

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    For me the fantasy is that I pretend that I enjoy talking to you (yes, even the "normal conversation") while the reality is that I really wouldn't care if 99% of the customers burst into flames as soon as they left the club... as long as you weren't near my car.

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    For me the fantasy is that I pretend that I enjoy talking to you (yes, even the "normal conversation") while the reality is that I really wouldn't care if 99% of the customers burst into flames as soon as they left the club... as long as you weren't near my car.
    Call me to represent you on your next divorce or custody fight... When you are crying in my office about how everyone treats you like shit and nobody understands what you have had to overcome,... I'll give you the fantasy that I'm the only one who recognizes your dignity as a human being and the "injustices" perpetrated against you. I'll give you the fantasy of being the only man you can really trust and confide in - your true advocate and protector... I'll even throw in, for free,... a box of tissue paper, a pat on your back, and say this to you, "Don't worry,... we're going to get through this okay, we're going to kick ass in court and piss on all those bastard that have done you wrong."

    Please feel free to burst into flames any time AFTER paying my legal bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Everyman View Post
    Yeah, this is a pretty good explanation. But on this site, customers are advised both not to peek behind the curtain and ask if she "really likes me", but also not to believe what she's telling you...because it's all a fantasy. Seems to me those are contradictory and you can only do them both if you check your brain at the door.
    This reminds me of the last time I went to a big haunted house attraction on Holloween. There was a big sign that said, "PLEASE DON'T HIT THE ACTORS." This was a very well-done attraction and apparently, some people became so frightened and desparate at being chased by talented actors with toy weapons, that they turned around and started "fighting back".

    I think what the dancers are saying in this forum is, "PLEASE DON'T KISS THE ACTORS."

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    It's our job to ask you if you want a dance. If I didn't go up and ask guys if they wanted a dance I'd never make any money. It has nothing to do with role reversal or "smelling your money" (LMAO). And trust me, if you say no to me it isn't the end of my world bc there's lots more where you came from. My ego isn't fragile at all, certainly not at work. Not to mention that I'd much rather get a no than a maybe later so that I come back and have to waste more of my time.
    Hmm, so you're saying that this "wanna dance" technique actually is productive? In the clubs I frequent the dancers doing it seem desperate and don't take no well. I try to be nice, "no thank you" and giving body language to express my non-interest before they approach. After all, I'm there to have a good time, not fracture anyone's ego. But recently I've been called things like stuck up and asshole which I think is uncalled for...
    That kind of visceral remark makes me think I've hurt their feelings by turning them down. Whereas the biggest putdown I get when regecting in the real world is "are you gay?" Which would be patently absurd to say to a man in a strip club so they go for asshole?

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    I consider it a business transaction, with customer/business person chit chat. Just because someone is business friendly towards me doesn't delude me into thinking that there is anything real to base a non business relationship on. When I'm sold too hard that I'm the sexiest man alive (At the Car Dealer or the Strip Club) - It makes me question what I'm being sold! If I sought anything more than the basic entertainment of a strip club, I'd be seeking that at another venue. This hasn't prevented me from appreciating good conversation and entertainment from attractive and interesting entertainers.

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    Call me to represent you on your next divorce or custody fight... When you are crying in my office about how everyone treats you like shit and nobody understands what you have had to overcome,... I'll give you the fantasy that I'm the only one who recognizes your dignity as a human being and the "injustices" perpetrated against you. I'll give you the fantasy of being the only man you can really trust and confide in - your true advocate and protector... I'll even throw in, for free,... a box of tissue paper, a pat on your back, and say this to you, "Don't worry,... we're going to get through this okay, we're going to kick ass in court and piss on all those bastard that have done you wrong."

    Please feel free to burst into flames any time AFTER paying my legal bills.

    Get as offended as you want, I don't know you and I don't give a shit about you. If I cared about the all the strip club customers, I'd be a basket case from all the nasty shit they say.

    Deal with it.

    I've never had a divorce case or custody fight either, probably because I don't look at you fat, sloppy assholes as people. Because of that, my life is pretty great. When I first started I treated all the customers as valuable human beings and I felt like shit almost all the time because these "valuable human beings" would call me names, talk about fucking children, insult the living hell out of their wives (I hate that!), ask me if my father or brothers raped me, etc., etc., etc. The majority of men are in a strip club are so socially retarded that the closest they can get to being nice is a backhanded compliment.

    You are just wallets to me now, and I am much happier that way. I actually hate that you're on this website, it makes me think that you're incredibly pathetic. You have no real reason to chat on a stripper site, so you're just a pathetic loser.

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    The fantasy comes when you are alone in a private booth with a stripper who is very good at what she does and for the length of a few dances you are the only two people on the planet and are completely into each other and all seems right in the world. Then you give her the cash, go back to talk rubbish with your buddies over a beer with an emptier wallet, buy a few more dances, go back home to your wife and kids, have arguments about money and leaving the toilet seat up and go to sleep.

    She leaves the lap dance booth with your cash, jokes about how easy the custie was with her friends over a water, dances with a few more guys and takes their money, goes home, argues with her boyfriend/husband about money and leaving the toilet seat up and goes to bed.

    This is the difference between fantasy and reality.

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    Get as offended as you want, I don't know you and I don't give a shit about you. If I cared about the all the strip club customers, I'd be a basket case from all the nasty shit they say.

    Deal with it.

    I've never had a divorce case or custody fight either, probably because I don't look at you fat, sloppy assholes as people. Because of that, my life is pretty great. When I first started I treated all the customers as valuable human beings and I felt like shit almost all the time because these "valuable human beings" would call me names, talk about fucking children, insult the living hell out of their wives (I hate that!), ask me if my father or brothers raped me, etc., etc., etc. The majority of men are in a strip club are so socially retarded that the closest they can get to being nice is a backhanded compliment.

    You are just wallets to me now, and I am much happier that way. I actually hate that you're on this website, it makes me think that you're incredibly pathetic. You have no real reason to chat on a stripper site, so you're just a pathetic loser.
    Ok, I don't back a particular horse in this race but I do appreciate a good rant so I'd like to compliment you on this particularly fine example of the species.Whille I understand how you think people like me have no place posting/reading this forumscreeds like this make it awgully difficult for me to look away.

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    I don't look at you fat, sloppy assholes as people.
    I'm not sloppy.

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    Doctor - The fantasy is he/she wants to save your life and wants you to live forever. But, if you die tomorrow,... trust me, they won't lose sleep over it... They "lose" so many patients each year, that they don't even keep track... If they save a life, people react with eternal love and admiration... Truth is, they don't give a shit either way,... until they get sued. They became doctors because they love $$$$$$, no other reason.
    Sorry. That is NOT why I decided to study medicine. It actually offends me when the first thing people say is "Wow, you're going to make SO much money!". Maybe it's because I'm not going into a field where I'm not going to be directly dealing with life and death, such as an ER physician (I'm going into more of a research field).

    I know you were making a generalisation, and maybe I'm too sensitive but man, that hurt my feelings. I certainly hope when I am finished, my patients won't think that about me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    Get as offended as you want, I don't know you and I don't give a shit about you. If I cared about the all the strip club customers, I'd be a basket case from all the nasty shit they say.

    Deal with it.

    I've never had a divorce case or custody fight either, probably because I don't look at you fat, sloppy assholes as people. Because of that, my life is pretty great. When I first started I treated all the customers as valuable human beings and I felt like shit almost all the time because these "valuable human beings" would call me names, talk about fucking children, insult the living hell out of their wives (I hate that!), ask me if my father or brothers raped me, etc., etc., etc. The majority of men are in a strip club are so socially retarded that the closest they can get to being nice is a backhanded compliment.

    You are just wallets to me now, and I am much happier that way. I actually hate that you're on this website, it makes me think that you're incredibly pathetic. You have no real reason to chat on a stripper site, so you're just a pathetic loser.
    MarvelGirl, I'm not offended... I like what you said... Brutally, honest... and I replied with the same, because you and I are no different in how we treat customers/clients... It goes back to my point, no one gives a shit about anyone else (excluding family and friends)... We're all just actors on a stage,... pretending to be compassionate and caring for pecuniary reward...

    But, if you hate your job so much, why don't you consider a career change? You would be a happier person doing something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mediocrity View Post
    Sorry. That is NOT why I decided to study medicine. It actually offends me when the first thing people say is "Wow, you're going to make SO much money!". Maybe it's because I'm not going into a field where I'm going to be directly dealing with life and death, such as an ER physician (I'm going into more of a research field).

    I know you were making a generalisation, and maybe I'm too sensitive but man, that hurt my feelings. I certainly hope when I am finished, my patients won't think that about me.
    I'm sorry ... I WAS generalizing and meant no offense... It's always the bad apples that give the bunch a bad name, right... (Am I mixing metaphors?) But, really, a LOT, if not most doctors only care about money. I know from personal experience and because I know a lot of medmal lawyers that SUE them... Not only do doctors screw up (they are humans after all, despite the fact that some of them would quarrel with this assertion), but they will hide their mistakes to avoid a lawsuit (even when such concealment will cause a great risk of complication or death). (You'd be surprised to hear what things are forgotten and get left inside a person after a surgery.) They even alter medical records to avoid discovery of their mistakes... It happens all the time... And what's worse is they have a very powerful "tort-reform" lobby that makes it extremely hard to sue them. Most lawyers will not touch a medical malpractice claim unless its worth millions of dollars, because of how expensive it is to sue a doctor and the multi-layer protections that "tort-reform" has provided them.

    I mean, really,... average doctors are living in McMansions while average people (unless they're blessed enought to have insurance) cannot afford to take their kids to a doctor until they get deadly sick. I took my nephew to the ER because of an allergic reaction. The doctor spent 5 minutes with us and told us it was an allergic reaction to Ibuprofen. The total bill was over $2,000! Outrageous! Just think of how many lap dances I could have gotten for that!

    Having said that, there are many genuinely altruistic and compassionate doctors. They end up leaving the US to care for the poor in third-world countries. They cannot stand the US medical community's environment of apathy, insurance-controlled "managed" healthcare and limitless greed.

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