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    Question story told, advise needed.

    so i Monday night at work was like ghost town. a couple regulars, but that's pretty much it. no big spenders AT ALL. we don't do private dances at my club, so my only option is stage/convo cash.

    one of my reg's was there (we'll just call him J) and we were talking for a little while, he gave pretty decent tips on all 4 of my stages. afterwards, we went to the bar to have a drink...he was being VERY grabby, and kept asking me to go hom with him for $500. i had to tell him off VERY loudly about 3 times because of this. since there wasn't really anyone else in the club, i was determined to stay until i milked him dry...JUST because he was being an asshole. so i kept ordering $6 drinks, and when the bartender would put the change on thee counter, J would just leave it there. so every few minutes i would take about $5 and put it in my top. he knew i was doing it because he was looking right at me. then when the change ran out....i would order another drink and repeat. did this about 5 times. funny thing is, even if he WOULD have told me to stop, i would have said "this is just the fee i charge customers when they are being grabby, perverted assholes." and walked off. but i don't think he cared, because the next time i went on stage, he tipped me about 7 bucks per stage, then gave me a $20 bill. i had an i-dont-give-a-fuck attitude that night...funny thing is, i managed to make about $200 that night. which isn't much, but i talked to about half the girls on that shift and most of them didn't even make $50. even my friend who is a top earner only made about $100 after tip out.

    question is, im wondering if you ladies ever do anything similar to this? maybe not to this extreme....but somewhere along the same lines? cus i'm wondering if i'll be able to pull it off on a regular night and bank...i know there are obviously some guys that wouldn't EVER allow this, but i'm pretty good at reading people.

    help me out here.

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    I personally wouldn't do that, because it's stealing tips from the bartender and as I've been the bartender, and I KNOW how much tips matter, I wouldn't ever steal someone else's tips.

    Now I may be understanding you wrong, but if a man pays for a drink then leaves the change on the counter of a bar, that's meant for the waitress.

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    ^^ Yeah, I kind of saw it as stealing from the bartender as well.

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    The way I read it, the guy was leaving all his money, maybe change from a 100 on the counter. That's just how i invisioned it in my head.

    Whether the tips were for the bartender or just cash he hadn't put back in his wallet, I would never have the balls to do that. Not saying it's right or wrong. If you aren't taking away from the bartender and he was aware of it, then by all means, take it. I'm just too chicken to ever do that no matter how much of an asshole someone is. I actually gave some dick a 20 back tht he had dropped on the ground bc I didn't want to keep it and have karma kick my ass later. Karma has yet to return my kindness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by black_widow View Post
    I personally wouldn't do that, because it's stealing tips from the bartender and as I've been the bartender, and I KNOW how much tips matter, I wouldn't ever steal someone else's tips.

    Now I may be understanding you wrong, but if a man pays for a drink then leaves the change on the counter of a bar, that's meant for the waitress.
    how is it stealing tips from the bartender? the customer paid for the drinks and tipped the bartender. what was LEFT OVER after that is what i was taking...and i've been a bartender too...and the waitresses don't collect tips from the bar. because the waitresses don't serve people sitting at the bar. if i'm sitting at a table with a customer and a waitress takes my order, then we tip HER. if i don't order anything from her, why would money left in front of ONLY me and my customer be left for someone else?

    one more thing i forgot to mention: we never LEFT the money...we were having a conversation while the money was sitting between the both of us. so therefore, if the drinks were paid for, the bartender was tipped, and he SEE's me taking the money and doesn't complain...there shouldn't be an issue.

    i was just trying to see if anyone else on here had done something similar with success...not to be accused of stealing from the bar.

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    I don't think you were out of line. If the customer wanted you to stop taking his money, he would have told you that. Clearly, this is the behavior he enjoys and rewards, and since he was being an ass anyway, the reward is that much sweeter.

    I did something similar once. I had a customer who I gave two lap dances. He enjoyed being slapped in the face and humiliated and stuff, so when it came time to pay, I told him to give me $100 (we only did two dances--$60). He gave me the hundred willingly. I told him to empty out his wallet and give me everything in there, but the hundred was all he had.

    I guess some people could read it like I overcharged the guy for the dances, but it was more like I was providing the bitchy, dominant behavior that he enjoyed. Sounds like your guy is similar.

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    Since the guy had already tipped the bartender and simply left his money on the counter instead of putting it away then he was either going to use it towards more drinks or eventually put it away later. So what you did was no different than pulling his wallet out of his pocket (in an obvious fashion, not advocating pickpocketing here lol) and removing the money to stuff in your bra. In either situation, the guy can stop you or raise a ruckus at any time... since he did not, he was clearly ok with you taking the $. Especially since you did it repeatedly.
    It was HIS money you were helping yourself to, no one else's, and good for you for finding a new way to glean tips!
    If you are good at reading people, then for sure try this again, but be ready with a joke to laugh it off if the guy takes offense.

    The closest I've come to that is taking a dollar or two, holding it up, and saying "is this my tip? hahaha"..... they almost never say no.

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    The only time I ever try to get $$$ for just convo (we are a big LD club) is when it's super, super dead and I can't sell any dances to save my life. I can never get away with it though. I see so many other girls getting it and I just can never get that lucky. Guys will always act insulted when I ask.

    I would never have the guts to do what you did, but good going. You needed to make your $$$ somehow and if the guy was being persistently grabby then he needed to be paying you anyway.

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    ok i was wondering the same thing. especially for pp's. there were many nigths where i was birned out wrking three jobs and all and i went into calls wearing sweats and a tight tank top (some guys say they like girls in those type of clothes) anyways, i raised my prices, pitched my dances, and then just didnt even try to get them to get a session from me. almost every night i did this i made more money then i should have, like 600 bucks and the night before that on one occasion i had really been trying to make money. today i was at work and felt like shit i could barely stay awake nad i was sick to my stomach,. i didmt make much money but the point is i made more then a lot of people and mexicans which usially never get dances, i got two toplss from and they didnt speak enligsh and on stage i was just doing the basics, ie., dancing but no pole tricks i was barely smiling, which i think really helps in terms of body languagre every time on stagei had every guy in the club lined up at the stage to tip me. there were 5 mexicans and the two other guys in the club that were alone. this is the kind of club where that rarely happens and while they were all waiting to see me i was only thinking about getting off the stage. (i didnt mean for this sentence to seem cocky) mmy opinion here is that maybe we seem less depserate, more in our element, more are real seves and men like talking to us as our real selves as opposed to a fake stripper persona. the whole thing was funny because the owner even could read my face that i didnt want to be there, it was obvious, and not just a one time deal coincidence because it has happened before . HOWEVER, i do not feel this would work every night of the week, i think maybe if this happens once in a while because you dont feel good, maybe men see it as something different, or a girl that really is showing what she is feeling and they can relate to those feelings, rather then the fake flirty deal. on a regular basis it makes a huge diffference to smile and sit up straight and not look like you hate life.
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    Yes, I have done similar and you can bank doing it. You will lose the low guys very quickly though and if you are all about the cash it may be hard to watch $50 walk away over and over again not being sure where the $500 is.

    My regulars were all caught using similar behavior. My attitude is I sell your fantasy and will cater to you but this is a cash transaction baby.

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    I know it's on a smaller scale, but I saw the very same thing done the last time I went to a sc. One of the guys I was with put two or three dollars down during a stage set, the girl crawled up, knocked them over and frowned, shook her head, stood up and walked away. He got super pissed, 'who does she think she is?' All the while he's dropping more ones in the pile before him. She came back a few minutes later, danced a little, scooped up her money and left...


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    ^^^yep. It works at least 95% of the time. People only pay you what you tell them you are worth.

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    I try not to do anything that could be considered questionable. If I don't like the way someone is acting I usually just leave.
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    I worked with a girl who would come up to a guy and take dollar after dollar off his stack rapidly as they spoke and would have 30-50 bucks before moving on.
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    I don't have the balls to do those things- I've seen custy's get out of line with dancers from time to time.

    Glad it worked for you- from what I have seen, sometimes acting 'rude' will get you exactly what you want. I wish I could pull it off.

    I was next to a dancer who was asking a guy for a dance. He was trying to start conversation by asking her how old she was- she replied, "What the hell do you want to know my age for...DO YOU WANT A DANCE?".

    He said yes and they walked over to the couch area- lol. She said what I would be thinking, but I would never talk like that.
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    ^^^for me that is over the line to rude. I'm more about being firm and always be closing a deal. I have meaningless chit chat but I'm try to always be firm in moving along to more. An open smile and compliment to the customer works wonders as well lots of thank yous. being demanding and short sounds rude and will turn a lot people off in and out of the club.

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    sounds good to me. anyways, what have you got to lose if your regular is getting tiresome and grabby? smart and bold on your half imo.

    i'll pull this attitude with regulars who want more than i'm willing to offer as well and it usally works. i guess it's a double whammy "people want what they can't have" effect.
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