




The guys who do this aren't interested in her pleasure. a) It's about violation. b) he joins a fraternity of guys who've violated her.
It's like some of my friends are obsessed with anal. Mouth and Kitty are more than enough for me but They explain that they like it because it's a violation of her. They like it because it hurts her and feels good for him, alas too many men like to debase women. My one friend plays all lovey dovey until he gets some ass then drops them like a bad habit, usually calling them a dirty whore for letting him to that to her. He likes to make them cry. He makes me look like a feminist in comparison, No?
It's sad when they turn to me for defense (I've been present for a few confrontations in a bar, they're quite entertaining) I'm like he's my friend, you're not. If you wanna go after men not in your league (fat girls trying to get with Buff guy) you've got only yourself to blame. <shrug> My point is that there are a LOT of men out there that are wolves in sheep's clothing. They try to get as much as they can for as little as possible. Making her feel bad about it is a bonus.















You will usually hear dancers speak in terms of contact.
Most of the guys who use the male only websites, both above and below ground, to pass information on these points of interest refer to it as "mileage". Mileage was the term coined in the ASS-C newsgroup some 30+ years ago and carries on its use to this day.
No mileage clubs are stage only or air dance clubs. These clubs either have no close up dances at all or have "look only" table side dances called "air dancing".
Low mileage clubs have lap dances or table dances with very minimal contact between dancers and customers. Customers in these clubs are almost never allowed to touch the dancers, while dancers may make contact with customers with quick, light, hand brushes past non-sexual areas of their body.
Medium mileage clubs have lap dance areas where some contact between dancers and customers take place. Clubs in this category may still have "hands off" or "hands at your sides" policies in place but dancers make longer and more sexually suggestive contact with customers. They may rub their breasts against customers, knees against groin area, etc. There may be, in clubs without "no touching by customer" rules some stroking of the dancers exposed flesh at non-sexual contact points. Like lower thighs, sides of torso, back, etc.
High mileage clubs will have mutual contact between customers and dancers. Dancers almost always make at least casual contact with arousal points on the customer. "Stick shifting" through the pants is not unusual. Mock oral sexual activity may be part of a dancers routine in a high mileage LD area. The customer frequently may touch the dancers breasts, buttocks, and other areas other than her genitalia, though this rule gets broken by some dancers in high mileage clubs.
Ultimate mileage clubs are actually bordellos wrapped in a strip-club veneer. Actual sex acts are not uncommon in such clubs so its anything and everything depending on the club and the dancer/provider in question.
Of course tipping goes up the scale as you get into higher and higher "mileage" categories.
Now I have told you the actual skinny I'll state that I am aware of no shortage of clubs of all varieties, including ultimate mileage, in NY, NJ, PA, CT, FL, CA, NV, IL [a few in Chi-town but mostly in the East St Louis area], RI, AL, and all over Canada but particularly in the clubs in and around Montreal, Toronto and within the province of British Columbia.
Almost any large urban area that has within it women, frequently of color but they can be any sort in deep financial despair with limited means to make $$$, will have within them "underground strip-clubs". These "clubs" can, and frequently do, move about [but not always] so they are not easy targets to find. Almost all of these "clubs" are ultimate mileage. "Sites", in Newark, would be a perfect example of these. Anyone can get into one of these places IF you can find them. They do tend to be in rougher areas and cater to the "banger" crowd though so if you are the type that would feel uncomfortable above 114th street you might consider passing even if you do locate one.
Then there are any number of "private party" situations. These are more upscale than the underground club set-up [sometimes considerably more upscale] and serve a higher end clientele. They have better looking dancers in less dire straights [hopefully] and may differentiate between the dancers and the providers [as ours do] . Not everyone can get into these places. They tend to be by invitation only. The best example of these is one thrown in NYC every few months that I will acknowledge I am directly connected with so my opinion may be a little prejudice.
You wanted to know what the deal is, and now you have the breakdown best as I can give it in a few paragraphs.
Last edited by Golden_Rule; 05-28-2009 at 11:30 PM.
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?
many thanks, golden_rule you've peaked my interest in finding an underground club now however. And as I live in one of those east coast states mentioned I'm going to have to go looking.





Ok, but keep in my my caveat on the underground party thing. If you live in NY-NJ-PA-CT and especially RI you don't need to track down underground clubs though. Many clubs that would call themselves mainstream, like Cheeks in Pemberton, NJ, offer full service in the VIP areas. [I used Cheeks as it has already been popped by the ABC and local police and will be closed soon so I am not hurting anyone by making that info public].
If you want to find underground parties than join local websites that deal in reviews of P4P sexual encounters. If you stick around long enough for people to get to know you and make your interest known someone will back channel you at least enough info to get you started.
Just remember though in regard to the info, you asked for it.![]()
Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.
BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?
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