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    It sounds to me like you are seriously being taken advantage of and you need to inject some balance into your SC life. Get some dances with some other girls.
    What does a typical "outside the club" visit consist of?

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    Let's face it. Most dancers worth their salt figure out their regulars pretty quick. Tossing aside the PL's who live in retard land and think 20 bucks buys them an hour table side, it is a natural thing, considering she is at work, for the dancer to test the waters. If the reg paying full POP is willing to allow her to wander away and do dances for other customers on his dime...well, IMO he has nothing to whine about. OTH, most dancers (IMO) are reluctant to jeopardize a sure thing if they have gauged the reg properly and know he won't put up with it. Clearly, the OP has been measured by his girl and has been pronounced as a reg who is an emotionally involved customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victor2 View Post
    I do not to treat her like an entertainer. I also try try make sure she is well taken care of financially, my visits approximate $3,000 - $4,000+ per week. That is why I am troubled by the situation that I described in my first thread. Torn between the professional relationship and the otc personal relationship. Sometimes it is hard to draw the line, for both of us. Please advise.
    Oh boy, another troll.

    I find it hard to believe this bullshit story.

    $3,000 to $4,000 per week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveSmith View Post
    Oh boy, another troll.

    I find it hard to believe this bullshit story.

    $3,000 to $4,000 per week?
    Oh fudge you are no fun. I think it is an international cabal of trolls by the number on new posters posting provocative questions. They livened this place up though.

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    LOL Victor you should have lowered the number way down. I mean, I know it's tempting to up the ante when you have an audience. Most of us would have been impressed with $1,000 per week and found it believable. But this is a fun thread because of the underlying theme which does have merit so carry on folks.

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    Yeah...it's gotta be bullshit.

    Good bullshit though, admittedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeybobby View Post
    Yeah...it's gotta be bullshit.

    Good bullshit though, admittedly.
    A troll extraordinaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveSmith View Post
    Oh boy, another troll.

    I find it hard to believe this bullshit story.

    $3,000 to $4,000 per week?
    OTOH, if he's truly rich this is chump change to him. Client-9 dropped 80,000 on hookers and he was a Gov! If this guy is a oil man or something, 200,000 is nothing when you've got 2,000,000,000 LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by commanderadama View Post
    OTOH, if he's truly rich this is chump change to him. Client-9 dropped 80,000 on hookers and he was a Gov! If this guy is a oil man or something, 200,000 is nothing when you've got 2,000,000,000 LOL
    Sorry they were good though.

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    My next question is, what is an OP? Additionally, all of the information I have provided is accurate.

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    OP is original poster (you are the OP). Dude, if you are giving her 3K+ a week and she is going off to others, you are the KING PL. Pic out the best looking girl on this board and offer her that for conversation. You could have a harem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast tan77 View Post
    OP is original poster (you are the OP). Dude, if you are giving her 3K+ a week and she is going off to others, you are the KING PL. Pic out the best looking girl on this board and offer her that for conversation. You could have a harem.
    He probably just likes the girl. Of course we're jaded and not as rich as him so we don't understand it... but to each their own.

    If I had that kinda cash (won the mega millions), I'd have two or three full service sugar babies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by commanderadama View Post
    If I had that kinda cash (won the mega millions), I'd have two or three full service sugar babies.
    Mister, you can't handle three sugar babies!

    (after Jack Nicholson's character)
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast tan77 View Post
    If you are as great a friends as you say, you have to understand she is at WORK. Even if you are paying her, she can’t spend “several hours” with you. Maybe an hour or so but she has other customers/regulars she can’t neglect. If you were really that great a friends you would be cool with her going off working and coming back to check on you (hell my ATF’s send other girls over to keep me company when they are busy). Also if you been going their as many years as you say, you should at least be semi-friendly with the bartender/bouncer/other girls to hang with while she is busy.I think you will get the jealous PL label stamped on you pretty quick.
    You didn't read his post very thoroughly.

    He has paid her an agreed upon hourly rate to just hang out with him. Her time is contracted for as she accepted this arrangement.

    She wants to DOUBLE BANG her time in leaving him to clock dances with someone else during the time she is ALREADY CONTRACTED TO HIM.

    You see with some [I said some] dancers when they get a customer like this, even if it starts off well intentioned, their behavior comes off as so weak it just yells out, "I am a doormat, please step on me."

    This gentleman, sorry to be so blunt about it, has "WELCOME" stenciled on his forehead.

    Quote Originally Posted by victor2 View Post
    First, what is the PL label? Second, I am only trying to make her day easier by paying her hourly so she can stay off her feet. While this is going on sometimes she leaves me to visit and dance with her other customers, am I being unreasonable or foolish? Thank you for your reply.
    IF [big if] your postings are actually on the level I'd say to you the following :

    Victor, I will be honest and say I have never understood this particular type of behavior. The dancers are entertainers. They make their living entertaining their clients and as such deserve to get paid when they do. However, IF they are your REAL friend than that exists separate and apart from the club. ANYONE YOU PAY TO SPEND TIME WITH YOU IS NOT YOUR REAL FRIEND. REAL FRIENDSHIP ISN'T PURCHASED. What you have is a fantasy friend who you seem to be pretending is a real friend.

    I know you don't want to hear that but you are in need of a very big jolt of reality.

    Now, if you have paid someone to entertain you and she wants to leave during the contracted period to go entertain someone else she is breaching her agreement with you. What do you do when someone breaches an agreement with you, do you continue to pay for the contracted services or do you stop until both you and the party you contracted for services are back on the same page?

    I wish you well, Victor. I hope you come to realize in relative short order that while there is NOTHING wrong with paying a dancer to entertain you, you do not need to pay anyone to be your friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Let's face it. Most dancers worth their salt figure out their regulars pretty quick. Tossing aside the PL's who live in retard land and think 20 bucks buys them an hour table side, it is a natural thing, considering she is at work, for the dancer to test the waters. If the reg paying full POP is willing to allow her to wander away and do dances for other customers on his dime...well, IMO he has nothing to whine about. OTH, most dancers (IMO) are reluctant to jeopardize a sure thing if they have gauged the reg properly and know he won't put up with it. Clearly, the OP has been measured by his girl and has been pronounced as a reg who is an emotionally involved customer.

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    Yes, but this is precisely the type of scenario I mean when I reference grifting going on by SOME dancers.

    IF this guy is on the level he is obviously a lonely fellow. I'm obviously not there to see this going on first hand but if I were a betting man, and I am, I'd lay large that this dancer doesn't actually care for this fellow. At least not much past the point that his $$$ doesn't purchase anyways.

    You don't see that as a type of con job, taking advantage of someone so obviously in need?

    Maybe it is the cop in me but all I see in this is a straight up flim-flam and Victor has VICTIM tattooed smack dab in the center of his forehead. That isn't to say that, like many victims of a bunko artists, he didn't contribute to his own victimization.
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    Dude look I'm gonna make it simple. If this girl is your "friend" then you should know her situation and respect it.

    I got friends in the industry who I come to see. If they are friends I see them outside of the workplace and conversate with them. When I go see them in the workplace I'm going in to hang out and if she's working I won't delay her, but I won't pay her either. If she's slow and wants to hang out I'm there for her, but really I'm not going in to step on her toes and keep her from making her cash. You my friend need to just ask her what the deal is. If you're more than a customer she'll provide her time without a price. Put yourself in their shoes.

    Would you like a friend coming over and taking time away from your work when you could meet later? Outside of work?

    You should define what you consider a friend and see if she falls into it. If not then maybe.... just maybe she really isn't your friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    Yes, but this is precisely the type of scenario I mean when I reference grifting going on by SOME dancers.

    IF this guy is on the level he is obviously a lonely fellow. I'm obviously not there to see this going on first hand but if I were a betting man, and I am, I'd lay large that this dancer doesn't actually care for this fellow. At least not much past the point that his $$$ doesn't purchase anyways.

    You don't see that as a type of con job, taking advantage of someone so obviously in need?

    Maybe it is the cop in me but all I see in this is a straight up flim-flam and Victor has VICTIM tattooed smack dab in the center of his forehead. That isn't to say that, like many victims of a bunko artists, he didn't contribute to his own victimization.
    GR, I don't disagree with you but I guess I was trying to make the point that strip clubs are in many ways are what still remains of the "wild, wild west" and represent capitalism at it's rawest.

    Of course, having been a PL more times than I care to admit I can to relate to the OP on some level. But at the end of the day I circle back to the fact that if a guy willingly chooses to enter the lionesses' den with full knowledge of the sharpness of their teeth he shouldn't complain if they enjoy gnawing on his limbs finding them quite tasty and profitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    that if a guy willingly chooses to enter the lionesses' den with full knowledge of the sharpness of their teeth he shouldn't complain if they enjoy gnawing on his limbs finding them quite tasty and profitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezzebelle View Post
    Wow! Thats going into my fave quotes on FB if ya dont mind?
    Permission granted. But if it starts making you a lot of money I want a kick back

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    if a guy willingly chooses to enter the lionesses' den with full knowledge of the sharpness
    Very few PL's, if I may use that term, have ANY knowledge of the sharpness. Most PLs don't have a clue how hard and cold the business really is. They don't even know it is a business, that is how the business thrives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by datchapin View Post
    Would you like a friend coming over and taking time away from your work when you could meet later? Outside of work?
    Why don't people actually read...

    That isn't what he said.

    What he said is he PAYS for her time and she wanders off and uses that paid for time to make more money. He has allowed it in the past but now its starting to irk him, since she is technically working on HIS clock.

    Understand his issue now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Of course, having been a PL more times than I care to admit I can to relate to the OP on some level. But at the end of the day I circle back to the fact that if a guy willingly chooses to enter the lionesses' den with full knowledge of the sharpness of their teeth he shouldn't complain if they enjoy gnawing on his limbs finding them quite tasty and profitable.

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    That's my point though, that some of these guys simply aren't clued in as to the nature of some, and again I said some, of the animals whose den they are entering.

    Now mind you I don't let a real PL's naivety totally let them off the hook for what happens to them, but it comes down to something akin to "If you see someone wearing a kick me sign does that mean you have to, or that you should, kick them?"

    What happened to: Do unto others only as you would have done to yourself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    "If you see someone wearing a kick me sign does that mean you have to, or that you should, kick them?"
    I think the code says MUST kick them as there is money involved and that is the name of the game.

    Do you blame any sales person for making as much profit as possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl_the_Pearl View Post
    I think the code says MUST kick them as there is money involved and that is the name of the game.

    Do you blame any sales person for making as much profit as possible?
    IF they use unethical tactics to do so, I most certainly do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    Why don't people actually read...

    That isn't what he said.

    What he said is he PAYS for her time and she wanders off and uses that paid for time to make more money. He has allowed it in the past but now its starting to irk him, since she is technically working on HIS clock.

    Understand his issue now?
    Sorry, I was blackout drunk when I posted that. I wouldn't have a clue I posted til' I checked my e-mail.

    Anyways, the OP said they were friends both in and out of work. If he was really a friend he would have the nuts to stop giving her money if he didn't like what she was doing and tell her why. If she was really his friend she wouldn't be treating him like a PL.
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