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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    That's my point though, that some of these guys simply aren't clued in as to the nature of some, and again I said some, of the animals whose den they are entering.

    Now mind you I don't let a real PL's naivety totally let them off the hook for what happens to them, but it comes down to something akin to "If you see someone wearing a kick me sign does that mean you have to, or that you should, kick them?"

    What happened to: Do unto others only as you would have done to yourself?
    If no one ever kicked me if I had that sign, I would never know or suspect I had that sign. I'd rather get kicked once and figure out what's going on then look like a dumbass all day long. Having said that, I would soooo kick someone with that sign on their back. I'd be doing them a favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by datchapin View Post
    Anyways, the OP said they were friends both in and out of work. If he was really a friend he would have the nuts to stop giving her money if he didn't like what she was doing and tell her why. If she was really his friend she wouldn't be treating him like a PL.
    I don't disagree with either of those notions.

    Quote Originally Posted by datchapin View Post
    Having said that, I would soooo kick someone with that sign on their back. I'd be doing them a favor.
    See, me, I'd just walk up to the person, take the sign off their back, hand it to them and tell them to smarten up, but that's just me.
    Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.


    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Possibly this is too late. I have not changed my mind about what is happening to this person, but ther may be a more reasonable explanation about why the dancer drifts away occasionally....

    Often a club manager will instruct dancers to not spend too much time with a single person, but to move along and try to get other customers to spend. Further, and this is important, the Club needs to earn some money from this dancer. If she is directly tipped (locations: ITC or OTC) that much very likely none of it goes to the club.
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victor2 View Post
    my visits approximate $3,000 - $4,000+ per week.
    This is as far as I got in the thread and was stopped in my tracks. I rarely use internet abbreviations, but seems the perfect time for OMG!!!! and WTF!!!!

    This is way beyond PL. Please stop, your wife deserves better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    Why don't you offer her 1000 or 1500 to go have dinner with you and spend time OTC, no sex of course.
    Huh? 1000-1500 dollars for "no sex of course"? That's through the looking glass.

    For $1000-1500 I'd better be getting "sex of course"...as many times and in whatever dirty and nasty way I wanted it. That's unbelievable.

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    Huh? 1000-1500 dollars for "no sex of course"? That's through the looking glass.
    There are PLs that pay that. Fortunately they are few and far between.

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    spending 1,000-1500$ to be entertained one on one without sex OTC doesnt make one a PL. If they can afford it, more power to them. And more power to the girl for pulling it off.

    paying for sex makes you more of a PL IMO. and more at risk of contracting STDs.


    to the OP: does the club had private rooms or champagne rooms? If you just bought a room with her then you wouldnt have to worry about her leaving. Either way, ask her what her rate for her time is so you guys are clear on it. If you are paying for her time, she should be giving you her time. Thats just good business ethics .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    paying for sex makes you more of a PL IMO.
    Respectfully have to disagree with this 325%...no matter how old you are or how you look, if you are interesting and friendly and can contribute to a girl's life, you can become no-fee friend with a young hottie.

    But if you're old and ugly and want to have sex with that young hottie...you must have money (pay), or hit the one-in-a-million lotto that she has some psychological problem that you fit the niche.

    It's wayyyyy more pathetic to pay for friendship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl_the_Pearl View Post
    There are PLs that pay that. Fortunately they are few and far between.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Then there are guys that buy expensive cars and hardly ever drive them, much less open them up. OP just might be one of those guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Then there are guys that buy expensive cars and hardly ever drive them, much less open them up. OP just might be one of those guys.
    Fortunately they are few and far between also as both artificially make the commodity more expensive.

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    it could be percieved as paying for friendship or entertainment. i consider it paying for entertainment from my end. if i spend one on one time with someone not only am i looking gorgeous next to them, but i am also telling jokes, being witty, intelligent, etc etc and making them have a lot of fun in my company. i consider my time valuable and completely worth the money. then again thats the attitude we have to have in this business to do well.

    i consider paying for sex to be more of a PL thing more due to personal experience. the people who try to pay me money from sex tend to be worse people who i would consider pathetic losers than the people who spend hundreds of dollars to hang out with me in the VIP rooms and have me just talk to them. Usually the latter are interesting people who i have intelligent conversations with and who just want to have fun. im not a fan of the people who try to buy sex off me. But since i am not a prostitute, my view is biased. hence why in my post i was sure to state that it was 'in my opinion'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D.
    Why don't you offer her 1000 or 1500 to go have dinner with you and spend time OTC, no sex of course.
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous
    spending 1,000-1500$ to be entertained one on one without sex OTC doesnt make one a PL. If they can afford it, more power to them. And more power to the girl for pulling it off.
    thats probably more along the lines of a sugar daddy, paying for a girls company without sex. i never really knew what defined a sugar daddy until a certain dancer here informed me . anyway, maybe the agreement between them was to be a sugar daddy ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    i consider paying for sex to be more of a PL thing more due to personal experience. the people who try to pay me money from sex tend to be worse people who i would consider pathetic losers than the people who spend hundreds of dollars to hang out with me in the VIP rooms and have me just talk to them.
    I DON'T pay for sex..I pay for them to LEAVE!”…Charlie Sheen.

    It is well documented that men who can get it for free still chose to pay. They know what they are doing and enter into an honest relationship.

    Now the PLs that pay for company are emotionally involved and that precludes them entering into an honest relationship. If they knew the object of their affection had the same emotional attachment to them as a prostitute has to a trick they would opt for the honest no games prostitute.

    Now there are men that do require a no sex escort. They enter into the arrangement with no emotion. The average pay for a no sex escort is
    $42,000 In USD as of Jun 3, 2009. That is $20 an hour for a 40 hour week.


    To earn $1,500 an hour as a no sex escort requires hustling a love sick PL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    it could be percieved as paying for friendship or entertainment. i consider it paying for entertainment from my end. if i spend one on one time with someone not only am i looking gorgeous next to them, but i am also telling jokes, being witty, intelligent, etc etc and making them have a lot of fun in my company. i consider my time valuable and completely worth the money. then again thats the attitude we have to have in this business to do well.

    i consider paying for sex to be more of a PL thing more due to personal experience. the people who try to pay me money from sex tend to be worse people who i would consider pathetic losers than the people who spend hundreds of dollars to hang out with me in the VIP rooms and have me just talk to them. Usually the latter are interesting people who i have intelligent conversations with and who just want to have fun. im not a fan of the people who try to buy sex off me. But since i am not a prostitute, my view is biased. hence why in my post i was sure to state that it was 'in my opinion'.
    I understand time is valuable...but mine is too. I guarantee I am as witty, intelligent, fun, interesting, amusing, etc etc etc as you are. The only thing you have on me that I am not, is young & beautiful. But I have that beat when it comes to experience, knowledge, and wit. So I don't understand why I would pay for your time. Why don't you pay me for mine? Or better yet, let's just call it a wash and hang out.

    But with sex, I can see why I would want to have sex with you, but not you with me -- back to the young & beautiful thing. So I can completely see why it would be justified to pay for it (though I haven't) and not pathetic at all.

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    Generally stripping is a matter of obtaining what one can for as minimal an involvement as possible. In this case it's so extreme, due to presumably a type of mental disease, that is crosses the line into pure exploitation. It is also pure capitalism.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    my visits approximate $3,000 - $4,000+ per week. That is why I am troubled by the situation that I described in my first thread. Torn between the professional relationship and the otc personal relationship. Sometimes it is hard to draw the line, for both of us. Please advise.

    Quote Originally Posted by victor2 View Post
    My next question is, what is an OP? Additionally, all of the information I have provided is accurate.

    lol...only one of you is having trouble with this line

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    well dropping 1,500 for a night out i assumed would be more than an hr. im assuming the type of person who would pay a girl 1,500 to go out to dinner with her would be taking her to a nice restaurant with several courses which would take longer than an hour. I dont think 1,500 is unreasonable for that considering its not uncommon for guys to spend that much for an hour in the CR with a stripper... and they dont always request nudity or dances.

    like i said,..from your perspective i understand why you wouldnt pay for it. but as i sell my time for money (as a dancer the ideal situation is to be selling my time more so than selling dances) i have to believe that what i am selling is completely worth every penny.

    to lemmiwinks: if you are dropping 3-4k a week and she is not spending the time you pay for with her, i would find a girl who is willing to spend that time making you feel good. if you drop that kind of money, you deserve something that is worth that money. and her giving other people dances during the time you pay for her company is not worth that kind of money.

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    Fools and their money are soon parted, if he wasn't giving it to a stripper he'd probably be giving it to some nigerian pretending to be a prince.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    spending 1,000-1500$ to be entertained one on one without sex OTC doesnt make one a PL. If they can afford it, more power to them. And more power to the girl for pulling it off.
    Other side of the same coin. If she spends the currency of her personal intimacy on promises that are never fulfilled that doesn't make the guy a cad. She can afford it and more power to him for pulling it off.

    Ah, situational ethics... gotta love it.


    paying for sex makes you more of a PL IMO. and more at risk of contracting STDs.
    Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. Depends on why.

    As for risk of STDs, there are no stats from the CDC - or any other recognized health organization - that suggest that men who see professional escorts who are not using IV drugs and are using condoms have any higher risk of STDs than men who date conventionally and having sex using condoms.
    Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.


    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    Fools and their money are soon parted, if he wasn't giving it to a stripper he'd probably be giving it to some nigerian pretending to be a prince.
    Or maybe he'd drop it on the psychologist/psychiatrist he so deperately needs.

    Oh, oh or he could pay to sky dive into theNyle so he could drown in it literally and instead of letting us watch him do it here on these boards.

    Or better yet he could drop that cash and take the chick to dinner with seven courses and make believe that as the host he's the one that's being entertained and not vice-versa. (Sorry, couldn't help myself.)

    Or he could just join that other submissive guy and deposit it in complete strangers paypal accounts. (aight, I got a lil' carried away. Who doesn't?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    i consider it paying for entertainment from my end.
    And that position wouldn't be slightly prejudiced by the fact that in the given circumstance in question you profit from it?





    Congressman to ethics committee: "Honestly, from my point of view I didn't think of taking that lobbyists money to vote yes on that legislation as corruption. I just see it as his paying me to entertain his thoughts on the matter."

    Anyone who profits directly from a matter ought to admit that their opinion might be slightly jaundiced and recuse themselves during the discussion of it.
    Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.


    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamer1980 View Post
    thats probably more along the lines of a sugar daddy, paying for a girls company without sex. i never really knew what defined a sugar daddy until a certain dancer here informed me . anyway, maybe the agreement between them was to be a sugar daddy ?
    Might be a sugar dopey?

    Smart guys who know the game, and I know a bunch of them, aren't handing out big money for dinner dates and company.

    It doesn't matter that they have money to burn. People, men or women, of any intelligence and self-esteem don't like to feel like they've been had . MOST men or women made to feel that the only reason someone would keep company with them is because they are getting paid to do it wouldn't want to keep company with that sort of person. [Like I said, this is actual company, not sex... sex as a commodity is something of value and when traded for without strings can, if all persons are in full consent and agreement, that value can be monetary to make up for other social considerations, like commitment, that would be offered instead.

    Trading friendship or company for other than friendship or company in return is the epitome pf PL'dom, and the bastion of the lonely and those with low self-esteem issues.

    Don't get me wrong. I am glad that for such people there are those like Athena who will make themselves available, but let us not call a spade anything other than a spade.
    Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.


    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl_the_Pearl View Post
    To earn $1,500 an hour as a no sex escort requires hustling a love sick PL.
    Taking advantage of the infirmed and the feeble minded its a grifter's art. No doubt about that.
    Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.


    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    i already stated in my posts that i am prejudiced. To sell what i need to sell (my attention and time without sex) i need to believe what i am selling is totally worth the money; and i do, even if arguably i am disillusioning myself. im not pretending to be objective here.

    re trem: lolz. that actually made me laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    i already stated in my posts that i am prejudiced. To sell what i need to sell (my attention and time without sex) i need to believe what i am selling is totally worth the money; and i do, even if arguably i am disillusioning myself. im not pretending to be objective here.

    re trem: lolz. that actually made me laugh.
    OK. That's honest and straight forward enough.

    What about if it causes harm to another? Like some guy goes through his retirement money, or the rent, because he is a love sick PL with self-control issues?

    Do you think, and I am asking an honest question here, that if you see someone falling over the cliff because you helped send him in that direction, that you have any obligation to pull him back from the brink before he falls to a very dicey landing? [Its never the fall that kills you. Its the sudden stop. ]
    Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.


    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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