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    one of the main reasons i looked for the job and needed it asap was my family and i have parted ways and i'm now 100% on my own. previously i was on aid/grants at school, but my family filed for them.

    i know financial aid apps were due last spring but i cant make the payment my family was last year since i really have no idea how much i'm going to be making right now.

    how do i file for loans/aid as a dancer? are they likely to give them to me or no because of the nature of the profession (no steady income)?

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    ^^^ where gov't backed student loans and grants are concerned, the application still requires that 'household' income be included on the application ... which includes your parents' income as well as your own income. The exception (assuming that you are less than the legal cutoff of 23 years old) is to declare yourself legally 'emancipated' from your parents ... which allows you to file for student grants / loans without your parents' income being considered in the eligibility requirements, but which also prevents your parents from listing you as a dependent on their own tax return ( which in California could cost them many thousands of dollars worth of additional income taxes per year).

    If you're prepared to go the emancipation route, the first stop should probably be your college's bursar's office ! They can provide you with a host of information as to how an emancipation filing must be made in your state.


    edited to 'harmonize' previous state age requirements with the federal age cutoff of 23 for 'automatic' emancipation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ where gov't backed student loans and grants are concerned, the application still requires that 'household' income be included on the application ... which includes your parents' income as well as your own income. The exception (assuming that you are less than the legal cutoff of 24 years old) is to declare yourself legally 'emancipated' from your parents ... which allows you to file for student grants / loans without your parents' income being considered in the eligibility requirements, but which also prevents your parents from listing you as a dependent on their own tax return ( which in California could cost them many thousands of dollars worth of additional income taxes per year).
    What do you have to do to be emancipated? Where do you go and what forms do you have to fill out? And does it usually take a long time for the paperwork to go thru and whatnot?





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    your particular college's bursars office will probably have an emancipation form for you to start with, that is similar to this one ....



    Filing an emancipation form is the 'easy' route, but also requires the co-operation / agreement of the parents ( who in turn are likely to 'lose' many thousands of dollars worth of tax deductions by losing their ability to claim the student as a dependent ).

    In a larger sense, FAFSA sets the following criteria ...



    and in particular cases, state laws / programs may dominate - New York has the following set of requirements for a college student to establish 'emancipated' status ...

    "Students under the age of 22 [ actually age 23 to comply with federal interpretations] must provide evidence of one year of independent living in order to be considered emancipated.

    Factors relevant to the determination of financial independence include, but are not limited to, the following:

    - Employment on a full- or part-time basis within New York State
    - Sources and extent of financial support from parents or guardians
    - Sources and extent of other income
    - Parents' Federal and State income tax forms which do not claim the student as a dependent (if the student continues to receive financial support, however, the student shall not be considered emancipated)
    - Student's place of residence during the summer or other academic term recess.
    - Student's status as financially independent for purposes of Federal and/or State financial assistance
    - Independent filing by the student of Federal or State income tax return
    - Student's assets and liabilities

    I would also point out that such financial information is subject to automatic information sharing / verification with both gov't student loan agencies and with the IRS.



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    Without 'emancipated' status, and without the voluntary co-operation of parents, it is essentially impossible for a student to comply with the application requirements for gov't guaranteed student loans and grants. This essentially leaves three options ...

    - drop out of college until you reach age 23, at which point 'emancipation' no longer legally matters

    - apply for 'commercial' student loans through a local bank or credit union ... which will need to verify your (dancing) income, which will carry a comparatively high interest rates, and which may not be approved based on the local bank credit committee's 'faith' in the creditworthiness of a 'stripper'.

    - pay cash for all of your tuition payments ... knowing that doing so will increase your chances of an IRS audit of your dancing income because the college bursar's office is required to automatically report your tuition payments to the IRS, and because your own SS# will still appear on your parents' tax returns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post

    Filing an emancipation form is the 'easy' route, but also requires the co-operation / agreement of the parents ( who in turn are likely to 'lose' many thousands of dollars worth of tax deductions by losing their ability to claim the student as a dependent ).

    In a larger sense, FAFSA sets the following criteria ...

    http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/FOTWWebApp/f...S&wstype=WSDEP

    and in particular cases, state laws / programs may dominate - New York has the following set of requirements for a college student to establish 'emancipated' status ...

    "Students under the age of 22 must provide evidence of one year of independent living in order to be considered emancipated.

    Factors relevant to the determination of financial independence include, but are not limited to, the following:

    - Employment on a full- or part-time basis within New York State
    - Sources and extent of financial support from parents or guardians
    - Sources and extent of other income
    - Parents' Federal and State income tax forms which do not claim the student as a dependent (if the student continues to receive financial support, however, the student shall not be considered emancipated)
    - Student's place of residence during the summer or other academic term recess.
    - Student's status as financially independent for purposes of Federal and/or State financial assistance
    - Independent filing by the student of Federal or State income tax return
    - Student's assets and liabilities

    I would also point out that such financial information is subject to automatic information sharing / verification with both gov't student loan agencies and with the IRS.



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    Without 'emancipated' status, and without the voluntary co-operation of parents, it is essentially impossible for a student to comply with the application requirements for gov't guaranteed student loans and grants. This essentially leaves three options ...

    - drop out of college until you reach age 24, at which point 'emancipation' no longer legally matters

    - apply for 'commercial' student loans through a local bank or credit union ... which will need to verify your (dancing) income, which will carry a comparatively high interest rates, and which may not be approved based on the local bank credit committee's 'faith' in the creditworthiness of a 'stripper'.

    - pay cash for all of your tuition payments ... knowing that doing so will increase your chances of an IRS audit of your dancing income because the college bursar's office is required to automatically report your tuition payments to the IRS.
    wait, so what would i do if my parents disagreed? Would i have to go through alot of shit in court??





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    ^^^ court doesn't come into the picture ... without your parent's voluntary co-operation. you wait until you are age 23 to automatically become 'emancipated', or you forget about gov't backed student loans and grants and use commercial bank student loans or pay cash for your tuition payments. If you don't wait until you are age 23, the stage is then set for an IRS audit of both the parents' and the students' tax returns since, legally speaking, either the parents or the student but not both can legally claim the student as a dependent / exemption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ court doesn't come into the picture ... without your parent's voluntary co-operation. you wait until you are age 23 to automatically become 'emancipated', or you forget about gov't backed student loans and grants and use commercial bank student loans or pay cash for your tuition payments.
    What if there is other things that come into play, like claiming emotional distress or something and saying that you have to be emancipated? Could you not do that?





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    ^^^ you're attempting to reach into a 'gray area' of family court law ... i.e. the actual legal status of a college student under the age of 23 who is assumed to still be dependent on their parents for the majority of their financial support. The answer to your question is a theoretical yes, in that you could have an attorney attempt to file an 'emancipation petition' against your parents in family court. But outside of family court, nobody in the college's bursars office or FAFSA or Sallie Mae is going to want to hear a single word about your emotional distress. They have gov't approved forms which must be filled out in a precise manner by both the parents and the student. If those forms don't get filled out properly by both the parents and the student, then the application for gov't backed student loans and grants go nowhere. Additionally, your state education agency has its own criteria for emancipation which must be met ( i.e. producing parents' tax forms from the previous year which do NOT list the student as a dependent / exemption ), or presumably circumvented via a favorable family court order for emancipation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ you're attempting to reach into a 'gray area' of family court law ... i.e. the actual legal status of a college student under the age of 23 who is assumed to still be dependent on their parents for the majority of their financial support. The answer to your question is a theoretical yes, in that you could have an attorney attempt to file an 'emancipation petition' against your parents in family court. But outside of family court, nobody in the college's bursars office or FAFSA or Sallie Mae is going to want to hear a single word about your emotional distress. They have gov't approved forms which must be filled out in a precise manner by both the parents and the student. If those forms don't get filled out properly by both the parents and the student, then the application for gov't backed student loans and grants go nowhere. Additionally, your state education agency has its own criteria for emancipation which must be met ( i.e. producing parents' tax forms from the previous year which do NOT list the student as a dependent / exemption ), or presumably circumvented via a favorable family court order for emancipation.

    what?!? i NEED an attorney? that really sucks... and i can see how this is going to be hard. Doesn't family court freaking take forever with cases...its basically a joke right?

    fuck...sorry, this is so upsetting, because i was planning on doing this soon and now its going to be difficult.





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    Actually there's no joke involved !

    But I would also point out that, in New York at least, there is a 'dirty trick' method of achieving emancipation without the parents' voluntary co-operation. However it means that the girl must (temporarily - summer semester break would do) quit school and (temporarily) quit working at any 'on the books' job. At that point, the girl can go to the state social services dep't and attempt to sign up for medicaid / food stamps / public housing benefits. Once signed up and approved, by definition the girl is now emancipated from her parents since it is now the state, and not her parents, who are providing for her support.

    From that point forward, the parents are forced to stop claiming the girl as an income tax dependent. Subsequently, the girl can simply inform the college bursar's office (prior to the beginning of the fall semester ) that she is now a state social welfare benefit recipient / resident of state subsidized housing, and she will immediately qualify for gov't subsidized grants and loans as an emancipated low income student !

    However, this approach also makes it 'risky' for the girl to continue earning money as a dancer, since she is only allowed to have a certain amount of 'official' income while still receiving social welfare / public housing benefits and gov't backed student loans / grants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Actually there's no joke involved !

    But I would also point out that, in New York at least, there is a 'dirty trick' method of achieving emancipation without the parents' voluntary co-operation. However it means that the girl must (temporarily - summer semester break would do) quit school and (temporarily) quit working at any 'on the books' job. At that point, the girl can go to the state social services dep't and attempt to sign up for medicaid / food stamps / public housing benefits. Once signed up and approved, by definition the girl is now emancipated from her parents since it is now the state, and not her parents, who are providing for her support.

    From that point forward, the parents are forced to stop claiming the girl as an income tax dependent. Subsequently, the girl can simply inform the college bursar's office (prior to the beginning of the fall semester ) that she is now a state social welfare benefit recipient / resident of state subsidized housing, and she will immediately qualify for gov't subsidized grants and loans as an emancipated low income student !

    However, this approach also makes it 'risky' for the girl to continue earning money as a dancer, since she is only allowed to have a certain amount of 'official' income while still receiving social welfare / public housing benefits and gov't backed student loans / grants.
    hmm, that might work for me...

    where would i check if the same laws apply in PA?





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    ^^^ I would assume any state social welfare dep't office !

    Obviously this is yet one more example of the 'moral hazard' typically created by federal / state benefit eligibility rules !!! In this case, the 'moral hazard' is that dancers who are attempting to legally declare their dancing incomes and legally support themselves in the absence of parental assistance are deemed ineligible for gov't subsidized student grants and loans, whereas the same dancer who does not have an 'official' income quickly becomes eligible for said student grants and loans (as well as other social welfare benefits) !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ I would assume any state social welfare dep't office !

    Obviously this is yet one more example of the 'moral hazard' typically created by federal / state benefit eligibility rules !!! In this case, the 'moral hazard' is that dancers who are attempting to legally declare their dancing incomes and legally support themselves in the absence of parental assistance are deemed ineligible for gov't subsidized student grants and loans, whereas the same dancer who does not have an 'official' income quickly becomes eligible for said student grants and loans (as well as other social welfare benefits) !
    Well if i do this while i am unemployed and not in school, and after i am approved, i get a job and start filing, doesn't the emancipation still apply even if the state aid must stop? Or is there a certain period of time after you file for welfare that you must stay unemployed?





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    ^^^ don't quote me on this, but I would assume that once you have successfully obtained gov't subsidized student grants and loans one time through your college's bursars office via establishing your 'emancipation' with the help of the state social services dep't, that future semesters' grant and loan applications won't ever again raise the 'emancipation' issue. Obviously, if your 'official' income rises above the threshold of eligibility for medicaid / food stamps / public housing assistance etc. you would lose those benefits ... but that should not undo the fact that you had already become 'emancipated'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ don't quote me on this, but I would assume that once you have successfully obtained gov't subsidized student grants and loans one time through your college's bursars office via establishing your 'emancipation' with the help of the state social services dep't, that future semesters' grant and loan applications won't ever again raise the 'emancipation' issue. Obviously, if your 'official' income rises above the threshold of eligibility for medicaid / food stamps / public housing assistance etc. you would lose those benefits ... but that should not undo the fact that you had already become 'emancipated'.
    Hmm, i'll go check that out at the welfare office. I'll have to set aside a day because i know that it stays packed...





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    Ugh, this takes me back! I've struggled with almost the exact same problems and what it came down to was filing for independent student loans rather than going through the school, but they come with a higher interest rate. My suggestion would be to work your butt off to pay what you can for the current year's agreement. Then next year make sure you've reported all your earnings as a dancer, cut down on your number of hours, take any grants they offer you and DON'T take out loans if you can avoid them. Honestly as a dancer if you live on a low income lifestyle you can afford school without loans, you just need to realize that you also don't have to graduate in 4 years. The good thing though is that when you are done you are done - and there aren't a bunch of loans to be paid back.
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    I think I can afford tuition payments after going over them.

    However, I'm supposed to live in university housing and I know I can find a cheaper apartment off campus. So now I'm trying to figure out how to get out of the housing agreement... any advice?

    Also, if I'm making monthly payments... is the IRS still going to be looking in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    I think I can afford tuition payments after going over them.

    However, I'm supposed to live in university housing and I know I can find a cheaper apartment off campus. So now I'm trying to figure out how to get out of the housing agreement... any advice?

    Also, if I'm making monthly payments... is the IRS still going to be looking in?
    yes, they will. everything that you pay to the bursur office, the IRS can check out and may even be notified so if you are even THINKING about tax evading....don't do it.... claim everything the right way... atleast while you are paying big lumps of cash to your college...





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    My plan is to do community for 2 years, and get almost half of my credits out for a fifth of the price, then you can transfer

    Not as glamorous as going to a university for 4 years, but just something to consider if you think you are in a bind





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    everything that you pay to the bursur office, the IRS can check out and may even be notified
    Yes ... hand in hand with the establishment of the federal 'higher education tax credit' was the institution of an automatic reporting system that now effectively links every college Bursar's office with every student loan / grant agency with the IRS and state tax agencies. Bursar's offices are required to generate an end of year report for every student's total expenditures, which via social security number is automatically forwarded to the IRS etc.


    My plan is to do community for 2 years, and get almost half of my credits out for a fifth of the price, then you can transfer
    I did this as well ! However, that was before the days of huge state and local budget deficits. This year you'll find that a lot of community college tuition rates ( as well as state college tuition rates ) are rising rapidly, as the amount of tax money available for cities / counties / states to subsidize these colleges is declining.

    Family members of college age also tell me that, in New York at least, there is an increasing issue of community college credits being less and less useful for transfer into 'private college' degree programs. Thus students who want to get 'full value' for the money and time spent earning community college credits are more or less 'locked into' transferring to a state college. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, and it will get you a bachelor's / master's degree in the end.

    However, where quite a few 'upscale' potential employers are involved, the relative value of a state college degree is now being rated significantly below that of the same private college degree. Depending on the type of major involved, and depending on the future 'scarcity' of qualified job applicants, obtaining a state college degree may no longer open 'upscale' employer doors with 'equal opportunity' to those possessing private college degrees.

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    I got to disagree with the upscale employer thing when it comes to tech degrees from state schools. Unless of course it is from like a California state school. (School system is fourth last in the nation - such a fall!)

    A lot of these non-transferable credits these days are from make believe classes. I won't bother listing the ones I know of since I am sure they will stir up a bunch of shit on this site. But I will say I recently saw a bill board spouting a Masters in Corporate Leadership. WTF is that? Soft crap so the check box next to "post graduate education" can be filled by HR if you ask me.

    I did the community college to university route myself. One is stupid not to if you ask me. Just make sure the classes will transfer and most of the basics - english, mathematics, physics, etc. - will work just fine. It is usually cheaper, they are not trying to purge freshmen, it is generally smaller classes, and you don't have to live on campus.

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    I agree with the community college for the first 2 years. Sac State here is around $5,000 per semester. My school is $20/unit = $240/semester + books (about $500). $5,000 vs $750 per semester.

    And the other thing.... your degree doesn't say you went to a community college for 1/2 of it! It says the University name that you finish your bachelor from. In these times I dont know why anyone who is paying for their tuition wouldn't go to a comm college and transfer.

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    And the other thing.... your degree doesn't say you went to a community college for 1/2 of it! It says the University name that you finish your bachelor from. In these times I dont know why anyone who is paying for their tuition wouldn't go to a comm college and transfer.
    However, this is precisely the reason that 'upscale' private colleges are becoming increasingly reluctant to accept the transfer of many course credits from community colleges ... because by accepting such transfer credits the private college is supplying 'their' seal of approval to the content / depth / stringency of community college curriculums and grading standards.


    Unless of course it is from like a California state school. (School system is fourth last in the nation - such a fall!)
    Negative changes in the 'quality' of state university programs are certainly not confined to California. And in slow economic times, where there is no shortage of new job applicants with degrees from private colleges, many potential employers simply decide not to take a 'chance'.

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    The school i'm going to is about a hundred per credit. and is close to the university i want to transfer to. you can actually check with the schools you are interested in on what they accept and from where.

    your best bet would be to go to a community college IN THE SAME CITY as the university you want to go to because those community schools alot of times work hand in hand with the local universities..





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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    However, this is precisely the reason that 'upscale' private colleges are becoming increasingly reluctant to accept the transfer of many course credits from community colleges ... because by accepting such transfer credits the private college is supplying 'their' seal of approval to the content / depth / stringency of community college curriculums and grading standards.
    Heck yea! Make sure your credits are transferrable to the school you want to go to! I don't take any classes unless they say they are transferrable to Sac State. Of course Im not going to a private university.

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