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    Do you guys like gambling? like black jack, poker, and such in casinos? ever won a good amount of money?not talking about people you know. want to know some first hand stories.

    just wondering other peoples experiences with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie941 View Post
    Do you guys like gambling? like black jack, poker, and such in casinos? ever won a good amount of money?not talking about people you know. want to know some first hand stories.

    just wondering other peoples experiences with it.
    Yea I'm a professional gambler--play online poker for a living--ur your own boss make ur own hrs---its good fun I recommend it if u r good enough.

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    BJ can be fun. Won a few thou, lost a few thou.

    Duh moment - winning is awesome, losing sucks.. after a few bad runs, the fun died for me and I rarely play anymore. It's all just random luck even if you know how to play basic strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    Won a few thou, lost a few thou.
    Same here. Im a hardcore poker player.
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    holdem, omaha, 8b, 7 card stud and hi low, razz, horse. dont care for pineapple and the rest. I started about 4 years ago online and never put any money in but won a 2500 seat freeroll that got me into a cash tourney and then built my bankroll from there. I have won between 10 and 15 2500 seat freerolls but never anything major in the high dollar tournaments. Came close a few times in omaha 8b tourneys with 300.00 entry fee and 100k guarantee. Been on two tables that have hit bad beat jackpots but never the winner or loser, but they still paid over 1k just for playing at the table. To this day i still have never pulled any money out of my account, its just a hobby, but i love it.

    My best story is getting down to 15 dollars in chips in a 2500 seat tourney and coming back to win it. My proudest moment even if it was against mostly newbies.

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    I play online poker. I use to a lot when I started and my boyfriend and I got into alot because of it. The most of won was around $4000. I have won over $1000 quite a few times though.

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    im asking cause i won recently, quite a bit of money more than i thought i ever could. im about done with dancing now...

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    Sounds like you have a good story to share.

    If you're using this money to quit dancing, you should probably quit gambling too. Don't let the math win! lol

    Want to leave a casino with a small fortune? Enter with a large one.

    C'mon let's hear a full report. I'm a Vegas lover and love to hear success stories.

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    i like playing blackjack, baccarat, and craps. also video poker and occassional ponys.

    it's one thing if you're playing for fun. however, don't play with money you can afford to lose. if you wouldn't spend the money shopping, you shouldn't spend it gambling.

    I have an addictive personality, and I've had issues with this before. Don't bring more money than what you want to play with. Don't bring credit cards or debit cards with you. Don't be afraid to get up and walk away if you get a few bad hands in a row. Always realize the odds are against you.

    Do NOT count on gambling to create an income. It'll just result in you losing one. Play for fun, when you have the money to spare if you want. When you start grasping at straws, trying to win back what you lost, then it's time to get up and go.

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    If you want to have fun gambling, play online. That way you get better, and you don't lose any money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie941 View Post
    im asking cause i won recently, quite a bit of money more than i thought i ever could. im about done with dancing now...
    It has been said that the worst thing that can happen to someone at a Casino is to win a big sum, because usually it is not really really big, like the kind where you can retire. More like the sum where you end up thinking wow, that could happen again, and you end up gambling it all away PLUS a lot more.

    The Casinos know this by the way, and know that sooner or later, the majority will bring the money back and give it all back to them and then some. The odds on most Casino games are only slightly tilted in the Casino's favor, but that is not how they make their money. The Casino's know two things:

    1.) People who win will keep on playing their winnings hoping to win more.

    2.) People who lose will keep on playing in hopes of winning what they lost.

    Either way, the Casino's bankroll is much larger then yours and they can ride the ups and downs of random chance longer. All they want is for people to play, for as long as possible, because the longer people play, the higher the odds that the player will bust their bankroll before the Casino does.

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    I go to Canada & NY, Detroit & Windsor to gamble at casinos since my dumbass state won't pass the casino laws. Ummm, we go several times a year actually.

    We play slots mostly. Hubby like blackjack & it trying to learn baccarat (sp). He has won a few hundred here and there, then about 2200 was highest. I win a few hundred here and there quite often, but never anything over 1000 for me yet.

    Ok, my story is that there were 2 progressive wheel of fortune machines open & my husband sat at the end one, while an 80 year old woman who could barely walk sat at the other. They both spun once & nothing. On her second spin we watched her screen as the progressive symbols came in line...first...second....third....then music started playing, bells whisteling, crowds gathering around, and the old lady had no clue what happened. My hubby had to explain to her that she just hit the progressive of $125,000! She had tears coming down her face & could barely stand up. It was so cute to watch.

    Then about 5 security came out with a HUGE CHECK & she posed for a picture with it. Then they wisped her away to a secured area.....

    My hubby was about to cry to that day because he originally was going to sit there.

    It always happens like that dammit. But we were so happy that sweet old lady won

    Thats my great gambling story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohiogirl26 View Post
    My hubby was about to cry to that day because he originally was going to sit there.
    If it helps any, it wouldn't have mattered any if he had

    Slot machines don't have memories of payouts. Even though people assume they do, and even though the Casino may subtely promotes that belief*, slot machines actually don't know when they are going to pay out.

    It's like flipping a coin. On average, over the long run, heads comes about 50% of the time and tails the other 50%, but the coin has no memory of any previous flips. The coin doesn't need to say to itself "Hmm, last time I was heads up, so this time I should be tails". Same with slot machines.

    Every time you press the button the computer randomly selects from a pay out table. Creating a perfect random number generator is mildy problematic, but there are solutions, including factoring in apparently random events like time. Chances of him pressing the button at exactly the moment she had, for all conditions to be exactly the same, is... well... really no different then any other machine he was playing.


    * Many casinos are putting up displays at the roulette tables showing the last winning numbers. This subtely promotes the idea that there is a pattern, which gives players a belief they can use that to their advantage, which causes them to play more. In reality there are no patterns, the wheel is stupid like the coin (neither the wheel nor ball says to itself "Hmm, I recently got a 3, I should avoid 3 for a while to make it appear random!"). Why do this? Because the Casino is in business to make money, and they aren't technically doing anything wrong, even though arguably they are playing into a common human misconception.

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    I LUVVV teh three card poker. I also like to play blackjack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    I LUVVV teh three card poker. I also like to play blackjack.
    Something like my tenth hand (ever) in 3-card poker was 3 9s. I won about $500. That was the first day I ever gambled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    If it helps any, it wouldn't have mattered any if he had
    Slot machines don't have memories of payouts.
    Unless you actually design the things, I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions. Different companies' machines have done different things over the years, and there are several people who have at some point been able to predict what certain machines were going to do based on understanding their circuitry (here's one such occasion http://www.ethicalhacker.net/content/view/22/2/) Having said that, maybe every single machine nowadays is totally random, but I personally have no way of verifying this.
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    Unless you actually design the things, I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions. Different companies' machines have done different things over the years, and there are several people who have at some point been able to predict what certain machines were going to do based on understanding their circuitry (here's one such occasion http://www.ethicalhacker.net/content/view/22/2/) Having said that, maybe every single machine nowadays is totally random, but I personally have no way of verifying this.
    Actually one of my earlier projects was tracking payouts on slot machine for the Tropicana, nearly 20 years ago, to catch cheaters, which was an occasional problem, and validate the random payouts. Cheating is possible by changing the programming, but the law is 100% crystal clear that they must be random, and that machines that represent real things (e.g., dice or packs of cards) must behave as those real things (e.g., a randomly shuffled pack of cards).

    As I said above though, there are subtleties to generating random number generators. Earlier programmers did often rely on random functions in programming libraries which are not truly random (and if you understand why, can't be), but there are many simple ways to add in randomness that can't be predicted (e.g., a high speed rolling counter whose lower digits are added into the randomizer; an air pressure measuring device whose ups/downs are fed into the randomizer; a light meter whose increases/decreases are fed into the randomizer; etc). You can go search google though and find that yea, earlier programmers (and today still newb programmers) commonly make the mistake of assuming the random functions in their computer programming language are truely random (they are not).

    Also it can just happen that people get lucky. There is nothing preventing a machine from paying out multiple times, just as there is nothing preventing the ball in roulette from landing on the same number repeatedly. It's just that the odds are against it. However a casino is not obligated to let anyone play their games. They do have the right to refuse, whether or not they can prove cheating, if you win 2 or 3x in a row, even if it's totally legit, you'll likely be asked not to play anymore. Why? Playing the odds again. If you are not cheating they lose one customer who probably didn't spend a lot anyway. If you are cheating, whether they can figure out how or not, it is in their interest you don't play. Either way it's in their best interest you no longer play in their casino.

    p.s. I read through the article you linked. The author wrote...."If it’s truly random, they can’t set the odds. They can’t verify what the odds really are. Some machines gave sequential royal flushes. They shouldn’t happen at all. So the designers want to be able to verify that they have the right statistics or they feel like they don’t have control over the game." This is just plain wrong.

    The game manufacturer/casino is legally allowed to adjust the pay-out tables. They are not allowed to adjust the odds. If it looks like a pack of cards it needs to behave like a pack of cards. And the machine cannot prevent sequential royal flushes. If a real pack of cards can do it, so must a video version. And a real pack of cards can, though the odds are something like 40,000:1 squared (astronomical, but because it is astronomical, there is also no reason to intentionally try to prevent it either).
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    I hate gambling There are ton of casinos fairly close to me but I absolutely dread having to go with my family or my inlaws. I do not get a rush at all from winning or losing and if I have money to be lost, I'd much rather buy something I'll enjoy for longer than a few moments. I have learned to play poker- I don't consider it exactly the same as gambling although there's an element of it- but even that I don't enjoy much.

    On the other hand, I find the statistical analyses and the idea of randomness (like in the post above) fascinating!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    p.s. I read through the article you linked. The author wrote...."If it’s truly random, they can’t set the odds. They can’t verify what the odds really are. Some machines gave sequential royal flushes. They shouldn’t happen at all. So the designers want to be able to verify that they have the right statistics or they feel like they don’t have control over the game." This is just plain wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by person View Post
    If it can't generate 100 royal flushes in a row, it's not random
    Sure, and if even if happened twice in a row, chances are the machine would never see the inside of a Casino again, even if there was no cheating involved, our human tendency to believe in magic/unexplainable would take over. Easier to toss or gut the machine then convince everyone that some detail was not overlooked

    FWIW I was in the Borgata in AC about a year ago when two people, playing different machines at the bar both got Royal Flushes within a few moments of each other. One playing $5 bets, the other playing a few seats down, $1.25, so RFs with full payouts too!

    The Casino freaked of course and shut-down those two machines for the night.
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    I, too, play poker for a living. The funny thing is that outside of poker games that can be beaten (the ones that aren't played against a casino, obviously) I never have gambled and possibly never will.

    Spent 2 weeks in vegas this month to play in the world series of poker main event, and despite having had a hell of a lot of free time, I did not once sit at a slot machine or casino table game. Most of it just doesn't seem fun to me at all.

    I'm too much of a rational guy to see things like roulette, black jack and slot machines as anything more than a losing proposition. Surely this is a strength when it comes to poker, though.

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