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    Do you think the legalization of prostitution across the U.S. would be a good idea or not? Should it be allowed in the SC or kept separate from the SC?

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    legalizing and taxing it could bring in some cash flow to the government, and we all know how much they need it. why spend tax dollars trying to fight it? as long as both are consenting adults, who cares if they're having sex for money. i havent and nor will i hire a prostitute, but from my point of view who is it really hurting as long as its somewhat regulated and zoned. i have the same views towards marijuana too, even though i havent used it for a while (i get drug tested at work ). its just a waste of money and time trying to fight a naturally growing HERB!

    it also might be a good idea to keep it separate from strip clubs. it will encourage the dancers that offer sexual services to venture out and not have to use the club as a front. strip clubs could end up becoming strictly entertainment venues again, where the only sort of contact are lap dances that can vary in mileage. if the customer wants sexual gratification, they would know clubs dont offer that but they can go elsewhere for it.

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    Default Re: Good Idea or Not: Legalizing Prostitution

    I am pro-freedom and of course it should be legal. All kinds of possibly attendant evils can still be illegal (steaing, violence, whatever).

    I don't understand the 2nd part of the question re: strip clubs. If both stripping and prostitution are legal then presumably an owner could open a business with any combination of these activities. Light stripping, heavy stripping, heavy striping + prostitution, prostitution only, or neither (like, a bookstore). Whatever.

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    I am in full favor of "it's your body, do with it what you wish", but am a firm believer in keeping the two separate. It's hard to compete against extras girls as is when you're a clean dancer, never mind against a full-blown prostitute. Then again, I supposed extras girls are prostitutes, depending on what services they are offering.

    But herein lies the problem. We have legal brothels in Nevada which are safe and clean. The girls get regular Dr checkups, and make great money. They run the businesses well, and the brothel can prove what they make. But guess what? We still have streetwalkers. And even if it were legal to be a streetwalker, it would almost be impossible to tax because you couldn't prove the income or if they were a streetwalker at all. Even with a licensing system, you still couldn't prove if the girl was using it or not.

    For example, I have a Nevada Business License, which is required of all dancers in Las Vegas. It's good til September but I am retiring before then. So even though I have the required licensing, you couldn't prove or disprove if I was using it.

    I hope everyone gets what I am trying to say. I know exactly my point but feel like I am having difficulty getting it across.

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    I'm firmly in the camp of decriminalization for prostitution and pot.

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    Like most things, I wish it was a simple black or what answer for me, but as with all social choices there are trade offs. I'd like to say yes, but with reservations. The reservations come from looking at the effects of legalizing it in other parts of the world. The jury seems to be out. Norway of interest has since back peddled on previously legalization, and the biggest social experiment can be found in the Netherlands. It's not all good news. There is a lot going on now to close down brothels, decrease prostitution in Amsterdam, and significant issues over human trafficking. The problem is where there is money, criminals are often not far behind finding ways to take advantage.

    If only it was as simple as consenting adults should be free to consent (agreed) but the harder problem is one of legalization makes it possible for criminals to abuse the system, force women (often from poor backgrounds with little others choices) to be prostitutes, and basically threaten to kill them (not just an idle threat either) if they go to the authorities. The authorities hands are tied because they need witnesses, evidence, of coercion.

    So again like most such things, every major change in a society is going to have side-effects, and not always predictable side-effects either. It is possible for every woman who wants to work without fear of reprisal, the same system will result in several more being forced into sex work.

    Norway has an interesting solution though. Paying for sex is what is illegal, not prostituting, so the client commits the crime, not the prostitute. But still, that of course goes back to, shouldn't consenting adults be allowed to do what they choose?

    My friends in Europe, even in countries where it is legal, continue to have mixed feelings. If only life was simple.

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    While I don't have a problem with legalizing prostitution the way Nevada has, I do have a problem with allowing it to go on in strip clubs. If the girls that want to offer those services go to work in a brothel that's fine, but allowing it to go on ITC makes it impossible for dancers who do not want to offer those services to make any money. Why on earth is a customer going to pay me to just dance for him when he can get a blow job or flat out fuck another one of the girls I work with? This would put a lot of girls out of business.
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    Default Re: Good Idea or Not: Legalizing Prostitution

    I support legalization of prostitution and recreational drug use. The money saved in law enforcement could be refocused in helping people in the sex or drug industry who need help, and prosecuting the leeches who feed off them.

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    Default Re: Good Idea or Not: Legalizing Prostitution

    legalise, no. women aren't packets of meat to be stamped and certified. the johns are most likely to bring disease to the women, yet it is always the women with the onerous regulations and certifications. funk that and funk legalisation.

    decriminalise, sure. then women are free to practise as they see fit, whether it is working alone or pooling money to share a location, or starting their own brothels.

    prostitution is a private activity and should not be obsessively regulated, merely classed as non-criminal activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    but the harder problem is one of legalization makes it possible for criminals to abuse the system, force women (often from poor backgrounds with little others choices) to be prostitutes, and basically threaten to kill them (not just an idle threat either) if they go to the authorities.
    I don't necessarily disagree with you,... but, I think an argument could be made that poor women are already being forced into prostitution and physically abused by their pimps... and that legalization may actually improve their condition by bringing them out of the dark alleys and "shadows" and into safer "workplaces" that are afforded the full protections of federal and state employment laws... Under the current legal regime, the street walker needs her abusive pimp because she cannot rely on the police for protection, nor can she rely on the court systems to collect her outstanding invoices...

    I do agree with you that if prostitution is legalized, more poor women will be pressured into that industry... I am sure that collection agencies, in particular, will tell women to prostitute themselves in order to pay their overdue bills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I am sure that collection agencies, in particular, will tell women to prostitute themselves in order to pay their overdue bills.
    I highly doubt this, especially considering the legislation being considered to regulate the ability of bill collectors to harass debtors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    While I don't have a problem with legalizing prostitution the way Nevada has, I do have a problem with allowing it to go on in strip clubs. If the girls that want to offer those services go to work in a brothel that's fine, but allowing it to go on ITC makes it impossible for dancers who do not want to offer those services to make any money. Why on earth is a customer going to pay me to just dance for him when he can get a blow job or flat out fuck another one of the girls I work with? This would put a lot of girls out of business.
    On the other hand,... why would a guy go to a SC if he can get erotic dances and full sexual services at the brothel? If SCs and brothels are kept separated, they will end up competing with one another... and, in time, SCs will become absolete,... they will not be able to compete with the full-range of services offered at the brothel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    On the other hand,... why would a guy go to a SC if he can get erotic dances and full sexual services at the brothel? If SCs and brothels are kept separated, they will end up competing with one another... and, in time, SCs will become absolete,... they will not be able to compete with the full-range of services offered at the brothel.
    Umm I think the existence of Las Vegas SC's and brothels like the Bunny Ranch all in the state of Nevada disprove this theory.
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    I highly doubt this, especially considering the legislation being considered to regulate the ability of bill collectors to harass debtors.
    It depends how "harassment" is defined in the law. Currently, you cannot be "harrased" by getting embarassing calls at work, being awoken in the middle of the night, getting repeated calls every 10 min, etc.,.. However, I doubt that the mere suggestion to join a more lucrative (and legal) industry/profession would be seen as "harassment". The collection agencies will characterize this as offering sound financial advise to help their debtors get out of debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    Umm I think the existence of Las Vegas SC's and brothels like the Bunny Ranch all in the state of Nevada disprove this theory.
    I don't have all the information you have, but I thought prostitution was restricted to certain localities... thus allowing the SCs to continue to thrive elsewhere... I'd be curious to learn how the SCs have fared when a brothel is established within close proximity...

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    Jack don't be absurd. Just because it suddenly becomes legally acceptable doesn't make it morally acceptable for most people. People aren't going to suddenly start flocking to work at or patron brothels.

    Stop baiting please. It's obnoxious.
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    I'm all for the idea of it, same as legalization of marijuana. But if it did happen, I'd want to see something decently regulated like in Nevada and seperate from the SC.

    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    If only it was as simple as consenting adults should be free to consent (agreed) but the harder problem is one of legalization makes it possible for criminals to abuse the system, force women (often from poor backgrounds with little others choices) to be prostitutes, and basically threaten to kill them (not just an idle threat either) if they go to the authorities. The authorities hands are tied because they need witnesses, evidence, of coercion.
    I wouldn't really be concerned about this happening just because of legalization. Mostly, because it already happens enough as it is. Girls see it alot, where one dancer in the club has that abusive "boyfriend" who makes her work for hours on end only to take every dime she's earned. At least if it is legalized and regulated, girls who are forced into brothels will be relatively safer compared to girls who hook on the streets.
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I don't have all the information you have, but I thought prostitution was restricted to certain localities... thus allowing the SCs to continue to thrive elsewhere... I'd be curious to learn how the SCs have fared when a brothel is established within close proximity...
    My OP stated that I do not have an issue with it if it's regulated the way it is in Nevada. If you agree with me, why start arguing with me?
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    Jack don't be absurd. Just because it suddenly becomes legally acceptable doesn't make it morally acceptable for most people. People aren't going to suddenly start flocking to work at or patron brothels.

    Stop baiting please. It's obnoxious.
    You and I never seem to speak the same language... I don't recall ever implying that...

    I'm talking about collection agencies which are, by definition, cold-hearted bastards... and will do anything (within the law) to collect...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    You and I never seem to speak the same language... I don't recall ever implying that...

    I'm talking about collection agencies which are, by definition, cold-hearted bastards... and will do anything (within the law) to collect...
    Yes and my point is theyre not going to suddenly start telling women to prostitute themselves! Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. Even if its legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    My OP stated that I do not have an issue with it if it's regulated the way it is in Nevada. If you agree with me, why start arguing with me?
    I think dancers and prostitutes could co-exit in the SCs... In fact, they already do, so why would legalization change this? Every club has girls that offer extras, but many guys (including myself) are perfectly content with only LDs and some contact...

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    Yes and my point is theyre not going to suddenly start telling women to prostitute themselves! Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. Even if its legal.

    Stepping out of this thread now. You're freaking impossible.
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    Yes and my point is theyre not going to suddenly start telling women to prostitute themselves! Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. Even if its legal.
    You've obviously never had a collection agency come after you. I had when I was in college, and they demanded that I drop out of college and get a job to pay them off...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    Do you think the legalization of prostitution across the U.S. would be a good idea or not? Should it be allowed in the SC or kept separate from the SC?
    I think that it is a great idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I think dancers and prostitutes could co-exit in the SCs... In fact, they already do, so why would legalization change this? Every club has girls that offer extras, but many guys (including myself) are perfectly content with only LDs and some contact...
    Whatever you say, you're obviously the expert here bc you've obviously worked in many many SC's.

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    I swear,... you argue with me like I was your husband... Enough with the insults already, I'm a sensitive guy...
    Where exactly did I insult you? I didn't say you were stupid, I said your idea was stupid, and it is.

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    You've obviously never had a collection agency come after you. I had when I was in college, and they demanded that I drop out of college and get a job to pay them off...
    Yes obviously. They aren't allowed to do this anymore, which is my point.

    Seriously stepping out of this thread now. You're impossible.
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