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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl_the_Pearl View Post
    You file criminal charges and a civil suit against the PL and the club for not providing proper security.

    Of course you will never do this so you only get to see a PL bleed and get a brief non monetary satisfaction wile the Pimp gets rich.
    Actually If I was put in a bad situation I could not say wether I would file criminal charges, etc or not. In an ideal world and work environment I wouldnt need to go this far. But lets face it, I would not want to create further stress for myself and even think about trying to sue a stripclub. If I did happen to, in Vegas, I doubt I would ever be able to work here again. However If I could get the correct legal help and afford to do so I just might. I don't know how I would handle this situation. What I have been thru in clubs seems petty to some of these girls horror stories.

    However I could care less if the custy bleeds a little, the satisfaction would come from knowing he is much worse off mentally then I am LOL if he feels the need to do this to people. I think guys find it much easier to do this in clubs because they never have to take responsibility. If this happened in a park, regular club, anywhere beside a stripclub for that matter it would be taken much more seriously. Add a stripclub into the mix and people have this additude that we do it to ourselves, were asking for it. Either way, if your sexual advances are not welcome it is assault.

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    You're venturing into deep dark water with me on this one Earl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    Wrong.

    Because when the cops get there, they ask what happened. And since the dead guy on the floor with a six inch hole in his upper torso and half his head missing (home defense = short barreled 12 gauge folks - regular guns sometimes miss) isn't arguing with my story that the knife fell to the floor when I shot him, we're all good.

    This actually really depends. If the police have been called and he has "surrendered" and is no longer armed, you have the right to restrain him and hold him for the police. You no longer have the right to use deadly force bc you are no longer in danger. It really comes down to what they can prove happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnytwoshoes View Post
    The white black comment was meant to imply that it seems likely that African Americans get special treatment/liberties from the white dancers for some reason, and that dancers probably tollerate more "stuff" from our African American brothers. There is no racism in any of this. Just observations.
    I am flabbergasted by this comment... why would any dancer let a custy of one race rub himself while not allowing another? How weird.

    The only time I've given any sort of preferential treatment to one custy over another is if they ask me how much for sex, and I know that they come from a country where the strip clubs are in fact brothels. In this case, I am a bit more patient in explaining the difference between the 2 in Australia, because they aren't in the know.

    Regardless of skin color, I would walk out if I saw any custy rubbing his dick before, during or after a dance. Yuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberstripper View Post

    However I could care less if the custy bleeds a little, the satisfaction would come from knowing he is much worse off mentally then I am LOL if he feels the need to do this to people. I think guys find it much easier to do this in clubs because they never have to take responsibility. If this happened in a park, regular club, anywhere beside a stripclub for that matter it would be taken much more seriously. ...
    That is what I thought the answer would be. SC are not part of civilized society and rolling in the mud the blood and the beer is accepted.

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    Cyril - you watch too much CSI, lol.

    Jay is right.

    I don't have to prove a damn thing, IF they decide to investigate me shooting an armed intruder in my own home, than THEY have to PROVE that things did not go down the way I claim. Thee is a dead guy on the floor. There is a knife on the floor. The dead guy is shot in the chest and head. I say he had a knife, I fired twice, he dropped the knife as he fell.

    And I assure you I will never live in a state (there are a few, MD, CA, and others) where my right to defend my home is impeded. That's a pile of leftard shit right there. I can also assure you that if you break into my home armed, you will end up dead, I don't give a good Goddamn if you set the knife down and surrender. You might have something else under your shirt. You might have a buddy in the shadows. You might be a fuckin' ninja for all I know - and I don't care. You broke into my home to commit a crime, you were armed so you had considered that it might involve violence = you're fucking dead. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    Cyril - you watch too much CSI, lol.


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    Actually I rarely watch the TV. But I think I have heard of that show. I think it is set in Las Vegas or something.

    But I was correct about you that you have never been investigated for a shot fired by you or else you would have never said what you said.

    But if you think you are smart enough to fool homicide detectives with your fairy tale story after you shot someone in cold blood. Please continue to believe that and I think it is not me who watches too much CSI, it is you.

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    I also know a lot of cops - including homicide detectives and SWAT. And define cold blood - he broke into my home, armed for violent crime. See - that's a difference in POV. I see nothing "cold blooded" about putting him down; breaking into someones home armed with the intent of committing a violent crime on the other hand - that's cold blooded.

    EDIT: Forgot to add - I have not been investigated for a shot fired personally, no. 2 good friends and one family member have, however. I am quite aware of what goes on. There was a shooting here recently at one of my favorite hangouts - the guy is going down HARD. The shot he fired was deemed perfectly legal in self defense as it was 5 guys threatening one. After he put one down and chased the others off, he came back, and seeing the first guy trying to get up - shot him again, fatally. Oops. Then the dumbass ran from teh scene to top it off, thus sealing the prosecutions case for 1st degree.

    They only investigate those crimes worth investigating. I fired in self defense; there is no evidence nor testimony to contradict this; the "investigation" will be almost nonexistent, merely verification that there was a break in, that the perp's prints are on the knife or that there's a reasonable probability that my story is true, that I own and have all the legalities straight in regards to my weapon, etc.

    I hate to say it, and I fully expect him to lambaste me for my "actions" and views, but I hope GR pokes his head in on this one, lol.

    It is unfortunate that dancers are so often extended only derision and skepticism with so many police officers. Frankly a cop should look at a dancer saying she was assaulted on stage and kicked the guy in defense with the same attitude I afford them above re home invasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    I also know a lot of cops - including homicide detectives and SWAT. And define cold blood - he broke into my home, armed for violent crime. See - that's a difference in POV. I see nothing "cold blooded" about putting him down; breaking into someones home armed with the intent of committing a violent crime on the other hand - that's cold blooded.

    They only investigate those crimes worth investigating. I fired in self defense; there is no evidence nor testimony to contradict this; the "investigation" will be almost nonexistent, merely verification that there was a break in, that the perp's prints are on the knife or that there's a reasonable probability that my story is true, that I own and have all the legalities straight in regards to my weapon, etc.

    I hate to say it, and I fully expect him to lambaste me for my "actions" and views, but I hope GR pokes his head in on this one, lol.

    It is unfortunate that dancers are so often extended only derision and skepticism with so many police officers. Frankly a cop should look at a dancer saying she was assaulted on stage and kicked the guy in defense with the same attitude I afford them above re home invasion.
    If you knew any cop worth his salt then you would not be underestimating their investigation tactics.

    If you shoot an adversary after he has surrendered, it will be considered a cold-blooded murder. Every murder is worth investigating and it is not up to you to decide whose life is worthless and whose is not.

    There will be more than just the verification of break-ins and fingerprints. Your story will not be taken for its face value. You will see several detectives. If they even suspect just a little, you will be hauled in for an on camera interview where you will repeat your story several times in great detail. Sooner or later you will slip and then the CSI game will be over.

    I sincerely hope people reading your posts are taking it with a bucket of salt because this line of thinking is a recipe for imprisonment.

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    Cyril - too many things have broken down into a debate between you and a select few members, of which I am regrettably one. Can you please understand that you are not always right, and that you are often posting about shit you just don't know about? Whether or not that is the case here, it certainly is in many other places.

    If you shoot an adversary after he has surrendered, it will be considered a cold-blooded murder.
    In your example, which I used as the basis for mine, where is the evidence - anywhere - that he surrendered? He stands there with the knife - I shoot, the knife falls. He drops the knife and surrenders - he's still standing there - I shoot and the knife "fell". The physical evidence remains the same in either case.

    Every murder is worth investigating and it is not up to you to decide whose life is worthless and whose is not.
    It was not murder. It was self defense. See - you really cannot see my POV here, it's invisible to you. I get yours; please try to see mine.

    He broke into my home, armed with a dealy weapon. According to your story, he set down a knife and "surrendered" only upon seeing I had a loaded shotgun (because for some reason I gave him that opportunity I guess - there would have been no such pause, no"put your hands up" or "freeze" - just click click BOOM). Had I been unarmed, the fact that he is illegally in my home with a weapon gives me reason to believe he would not have surrendered had I not had said shotgun.

    I do not know if he has another weapon, or if there is another person with him, etc. I WILL NOT BE ASKING QUESTIONS OF THIS PERSON WHO WAS CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A VIOLENT FELONY IN MY HOME. I will shoot him.

    Were the laws different then they are, I might shoot to maim, to incapacitate while I check for further threats. But in this day and age, that's a sure way to get locked up WHETHER HE DROPPED THE WEAPON OR NOT - and even if I were found guiltless, I would CERTAINLY see a civil lawsuit. No - the only way to ensure my safety and not hear about this fo years to come is to act appropriately to protect my home and family. Thus I will shoot to kill, twice to make sure (and I WILL tell the police that). Again - I do not consider this cold blooded murder. I have every reason to believe there could be an ongoing threat. One more time for the person in back - he broke into my house armed with a deadly weapon.

    Now I ask you - where do the detectives see reason to believe it was otherwise? Do share. Dead guy on floor. All evidence indicates he was shot while standing and facing me. There is a knife on the floor. Nobody is there to claim it wasn't dropped when he was shot as I say. I am claiming I felt in fear for my life; and that I wasn't sure if he had others with him so I shot to kill before searching the premises for other intruders and calling 911. All physical evidence indicates that he was shot whille standing and he had a knife. And nothing more.

    My story? It is all truth - I merely omit that he dropped the knife. BECAUSE THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THE OUTCOME AFAIC.

    Difference in POV.

    Hopefully this scenario will never be tested and I will never have to shoot anyone for any reason. Can we agree on that much? :rolleyes:

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    AJ,

    I know more than you on this subject. I am ABSOLUTELY certain.

    You have never been investigated where interrogation lasted more than four hours. If you have been, you would not be making simplistic statements like the ones you are making. You have no clue what you are talking about. I have let you slide on strip club issues but on this issue, your ignorance is annoying.

    No one in his right mind armed with a knife will attack a man armed with a gun. This is a reasonable assumption and cops will stick with it. Cops will assume that as soon as the intruder saw you with the gun, he wanted to surrender. Then, why did you have to shoot him?

    You will come up with some crazy story that you watched on the CSI. You will be repeating details of this story so many times while you will be on the camera that you yourself will loose track of it unless you were telling the truth. They will exhaust you and get to the bottom of it.

    So, far you have not come up with a single convincing reason why you had to shoot the guy. As a result, you will be taken to the Clark county detention center and booked for murder. Then it will be up to you to prove your innocence during the trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl_the_Pearl View Post
    Great how did that help pay your bills?
    What the hell does that have to do with anything?

    One of my custys is offering me $1,500 to go have dinner with him and sleep with him afterwards. That's like my rent, car insurance and cell phone bill right there.

    Am I going to do it?

    Fuck no!

    No amount of $ is worth being in a situation that makes you feel bad about yourself or uncomfortable.

    We are enterainers. We don't have to shut up and stick around just because you're paying us money. If you don't respect us, and fuck with US, either we or the big bouncer at the front door will fuck YOU up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyril View Post

    There will be more than just the verification of break-ins and fingerprints. Your story will not be taken for its face value. You will see several detectives. If they even suspect just a little, you will be hauled in for an on camera interview where you will repeat your story several times in great detail. Sooner or later you will slip and then the CSI game will be over.
    There will only be verification of a break in and fingerprints. I will be so traumatized I will have to be treated at a hospital.
    Where my story will only be told in the presence of and under the advice of my attorney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    What the hell does that have to do with anything?

    One of my custys is offering me $1,500 to go have dinner with him and sleep with him afterwards. That's like my rent, car insurance and cell phone bill right there.

    Am I going to do it?

    Fuck no!

    No amount of $ is worth being in a situation that makes you feel bad about yourself or uncomfortable.
    Exactly.

    I wonder what Earl feels she should have done? Let him hold her down in the hopes that she'd get more money? Fuck that.

    If someone steps out of line, I'm stopping the dance, they're getting escorted out, and they're not getting their money back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnytwoshoes View Post
    The white black comment was meant to imply that it seems likely that African Americans get special treatment/liberties from the white dancers for some reason, and that dancers probably tollerate more "stuff" from our African American brothers. There is no racism in any of this. Just observations.
    Two or three of my favorites won't dance for black customers at all, let alone cut them slack in the booth, and have even chastised me for introducing them to black guys I knew because they didn't want to be asked for a dance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otoki View Post
    I wonder what Earl feels she should have done?
    Earl wasn't there and nether were you so it is all academic.

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    Then it will be up to you to prove your innocence during the trial.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... HHHHAAAAAAA HAHAHA HAHA HA AH

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    AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA...

    I'M the one who doesn't understand our criminal justice system?! HAHAHAHA...

    There will be no 4 hour interrogation. They will ask a few questions at my house. If it goes ANY further than that, I will ask to have my attorney present and STFU. IF - SOMEHOW - they decide there's enough evidence - despite the aforementioned fact that there ISN'T - for them to think for ANY reason I should be prosecuted, a judge will look at their case and dismiss it with barely a thought. IF for some reason it goes to trial, their case would be what? Let's see...

    "Members of the jury, this man shot and killed an armed intruder in his home. He claims the man threatened him with a knife so he shot to kill. We think he made it up because we don't think the guy with a knife would have threatened him if he had a gun. I ask you: is it reasonable to believe a man armed with a knife would threaten a man armed with a shotgun? Thank you."

    My attorneys closing would probably be something to the effect of:

    "Members of the jury. The so-called "victim" broke into my clients home, where my client found him armed with a knife. Fearing for his life, he shot to kill. There is no evidence whatsoever to contradict this. The law doesn't ask you whether it's reasonable to believe a man with a knife would threaten a man with a gun, it requires that you find no reasonable doubt whatsoever that my client felt threatened for his life in his own home. My client felt threatened for his life in his own home by a man in the act of committing a violent crime. Thank you".

    Really Cyril? Why is this still being debated? You are the one who made the whole thing up anyway, lol.

    You will come up with some crazy story that you watched on the CSI.
    You're the one claiming they will magically find some amazing evidence that put me away when no such exists. I'm the one that said YOU watch too much CSI.

    I know where my sources are, what are yours? Are you a homicide detective? DEAR GOD I hope not! I've seen some messed up police work, but DAMN - what little I know about you from these boards put into the context of you as a detective... THAT'S some scary shit right there... ESPECIALLY given your previous "prove your innocence" statement... If you are a detective and I find out who and where, I'll send a copy of that statement to the defense lawyers for every case you have ever been involved in, I swear to God...

    I have let you slide on strip club issues but on this issue...
    You've let me slide on the strip club thing?

    Would ANYONE care to comment on Cyril - who hasn't been in a club in over a decade and doesn't know any dancers off this board - is LETTING me slide anywhere?


    , your ignorance is annoying.
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    There is a world of difference between the mindset of:

    1.) Someone who gets a deadly weapon, enters a civilian's home, plans to attack them, and....

    2.) The surprised and terrified civilian, and...

    3.) Law Enforcement.

    If our laws are not rich enough to allow for these dramatic differences in mindset then I'm in favor of adjusting our laws. Problem is laws are often written by people who are doing so from the safety of arm-chairs. But the laws exist precisely because human behavior often does not adhere to the ideal defined by the law.

    Just keep in mind. If someone does enter your home, faces you with a knife or other deadly weapon, that person has already decided that the ideal human behavior of equal force does not apply to them. I can only have so much pity for them if the tables are turned and they end up receiving more force due to the emotional reaction of the victim then they PLANNED to cause. Boo-fuckin-hoo.

    I do understand the law, but I don't worship it just because it is law. We humans make the laws. Our laws are not absolute truth. Laws are written by humans. Laws vary from place to place, time to time. My mind is capable of understanding circumstances even if the laws are not rich enough to describe all of them.

    The real problem though is it is a dancer oriented forum, and just as a waitress, doctor, lawyer, sales person might physically react if assaulted, so might a dancer. Just because she is a dancer does not mean we should expect her to respond to violence with the same coolness we demand of LE officers in exchange for the money we pay them. Even the tiniest amount of stepping into her shoes and it would be obvious why all the victim-pity is making them feel even more angry/hurt. Duh.
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    The real problem though is it is a dancer oriented forum, and just as a waitress, doctor, lawyer, sales person might physically react if assaulted, so might a dancer. Just because she is a dancer does not mean we should expect her to respond to violence with the same coolness we demand of LE officers in exchange for the money we pay them. Even the tiniest amount of stepping into her shoes and it would be obvious why all the victim-pity is making them feel even more angry/hurt. Duh.
    Bingo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almost Jaded View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... HHHHAAAAAAA HAHAHA HAHA HA AH

    *deep breath*

    AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA...

    I'M the one who doesn't understand our criminal justice system?! HAHAHAHA...

    There will be no 4 hour interrogation. They will ask a few questions at my house. If it goes ANY further than that, I will ask to have my attorney present and STFU. IF - SOMEHOW - they decide there's enough evidence - despite the aforementioned fact that there ISN'T - for them to think for ANY reason I should be prosecuted, a judge will look at their case and dismiss it with barely a thought. IF for some reason it goes to trial, their case would be what? Let's see...

    "Members of the jury, this man shot and killed an armed intruder in his home. He claims the man threatened him with a knife so he shot to kill. We think he made it up because we don't think the guy with a knife would have threatened him if he had a gun. I ask you: is it reasonable to believe a man armed with a knife would threaten a man armed with a shotgun? Thank you."

    My attorneys closing would probably be something to the effect of:

    "Members of the jury. The so-called "victim" broke into my clients home, where my client found him armed with a knife. Fearing for his life, he shot to kill. There is no evidence whatsoever to contradict this. The law doesn't ask you whether it's reasonable to believe a man with a knife would threaten a man with a gun, it requires that you find no reasonable doubt whatsoever that my client felt threatened for his life in his own home. My client felt threatened for his life in his own home by a man in the act of committing a violent crime. Thank you".

    Really Cyril? Why is this still being debated? You are the one who made the whole thing up anyway, lol.



    You're the one claiming they will magically find some amazing evidence that put me away when no such exists. I'm the one that said YOU watch too much CSI.

    I know where my sources are, what are yours? Are you a homicide detective? DEAR GOD I hope not! I've seen some messed up police work, but DAMN - what little I know about you from these boards put into the context of you as a detective... THAT'S some scary shit right there... ESPECIALLY given your previous "prove your innocence" statement... If you are a detective and I find out who and where, I'll send a copy of that statement to the defense lawyers for every case you have ever been involved in, I swear to God...



    You've let me slide on the strip club thing?

    Would ANYONE care to comment on Cyril - who hasn't been in a club in over a decade and doesn't know any dancers off this board - is LETTING me slide anywhere?




    The pot calling the bone china black.

    Asshat.
    The entire post was meaningless.

    Let me repeat it again:

    A guy who is armed with knife is not going to charge towards a guy who is armed with a gun then why did you have to shoot the guy? Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl_the_Pearl View Post
    There will only be verification of a break in and fingerprints. I will be so traumatized I will have to be treated at a hospital.
    Where my story will only be told in the presence of and under the advice of my attorney.
    People have tried that traumatized drama. There are ways to counter that as well. You can get a lawyer, you can get a doctor but you still have to answer the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyril View Post
    People have tried that traumatized drama. There are ways to counter that as well. You can get a lawyer, you can get a doctor but you still have to answer the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl_the_Pearl View Post
    My home is ringed with a covered trench lined with Punji sticks smeared with dung.
    I always do what the voices in my head tell me too.
    lol lol

    I concede.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyril View Post
    A guy who is armed with knife is not going to charge towards a guy who is armed with a gun then why did you have to shoot the guy? Why?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight-or-flight_response

    It is easy to be metered from the safety of an arm-chair behind a computer screen. We would hope though that a jury wouldn't be quite so smug and that our legal system would take into account the situation. This isn't paid LE being talked about. This a citizen, surprised by a vicious attacker in their own home with a weapon intent on doing them harm or murder; it takes only the smallest amount of compassion to imagine the victims sheer terror, and probably not many psychologists to educate the jury on a basic matter of human nature popularly called the flight or fight response. Like all things in life, there is room for some gray area between black or white (black being murder, and white being an ideal metered response that we would expect from trained LE).
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post

    It is easy to be metered from the safety of an arm-chair behind a computer screen. We would hope though that a jury wouldn't be quite so smug and that our legal system would take into account the situation. This isn't paid LE being talked about. This a citizen, surprised by a vicious attacker in their own home with a weapon intent on doing them harm or murder; it takes only the smallest amount of compassion to imagine the victims sheer terror, and probably not many psychologists to educate the jury on a basic matter of human nature popularly called the flight or fight response. Like all things in life, there is room for some gray area between black or white (black being murder, and white being an ideal metered response that we would expect from trained LE).
    That material was not even relevant to the discussion.

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