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    It is almost crazy for me to think about how customers react to the world of strip clubs and strippers. It's like they don't understand that the world of strip clubs is actually a sub culture to their own world, and therefor must operate by the same set of rules that any other service oriented business adhere to.

    Case in point: The customer that wracked up $300K on his AMEX and somehow figured that the club charged him for items he didn't purchase.

    Dude, at $500 an hour per girl (he had 4-5 girls at all times) before tip and $1500 per bottle of champagne, getting up to that level is entirely possible in a high end strip club. What's even crazier is that he would even step up and admit to being in such a place, on the company dime and in the public sphere.

    Today I took 2 calls that demonstrated the disconnect between how the industry sees what is going on and how the customers perceive what is the common acceptance of strip clubs and strippers.

    The first call was a positive one. A customer had visited a club with his friends last night and wanted to call and say what a wonderful time he had and that he wanted to recommend the cub to everyone, but google didn't offer reviews of the club on their consumer reviews page. I laughed and said that google doesn't accept reviews for naughty businesses like strip clubs, but suggested that he may want to check out strip club list or the like to leave a positive review of the club.

    The second call was from an unhappy customer. She had a male strip-o-gram scheduled for this afternoon, but the stripper refused to go because the location was a daycare center, and was open for business at the time he was supposed to be performing. The customer assured me that the kids were going to be in another room. I'm not sure what she was thinking, but when I told her that I was refunding her money, she came unglued and gave me a 5 minute tyraid about how we are a horrible agency and how she was planning this party for months and that she is going to sue us for the cost of the party food and decorations because we ruined the whole event.

    Of course it won't go anywhere because of the circumstances, but I just have to wonder how mainstream stripping has become that a business manager of a daycare center sees absolutely no issue with a male stripper performing at that location?? WTF?

    My point is that if we have been mainstreamed, we have to deal with customers requiring the kind of performance and service that is offered in other non-stripping industries. Dancers with bad attitudes will reflect badly on the entire club. Ignoring customers, over promising and under delivering, not making an effort to look the best she can (hair, makeup, nails, outfits etc.) will all cost the dancer in the short and long run much like a restaurant that has crappy service, the customers will go elsewhere.

    I don't lay the blame at the dancer's feet, though. A huge portion of the problem is management. Little to no hiring standards are issue no. 1, but following that is the lack of training of the dancers, the "I-could-give-a-fuck" attitude of most of the staff members of the club, and not taking customer complaints seriously when voiced in a legitimate fashion (I'm not talking about the guy complaining that he was bounced after trying to finger a dancer or anything). There is also the issue of flooding the floor with too many girls for the client base to support. You can bet that if each dancer was getting paid by the club rather than paying the club to be there, that the club would set some standards and actually think about how many dancers should be on the floor at any one time.

    There are a few clubs that have gotten with the program, but the vast majority are still being run as if visiting a strip club is a shameful activity that a customer would never publicly complain about a poor experience. I have a feeling that we are going to see a steep decline in customer activity in these seedy back-alley places in favor of the more mainstream places. I love a dive as much as the next girl, but the dives that are operating on the edge of the law are going to have a rough go of it ahead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    There are a few clubs that have gotten with the program, but the vast majority are still being run as if visiting a strip club is a shameful activity that a customer would never publicly complain about a poor experience. I have a feeling that we are going to see a steep decline in customer activity in these seedy back-alley places in favor of the more mainstream places. I love a dive as much as the next girl, but the dives that are operating on the edge of the law are going to have a rough go of it ahead.
    So very true. I noticed this beginning years ago, while I was still dancing in S.F.
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    shouldn't strip clubs be operating on "real-world" business model anyway if they want to make money? If a custy has a poor experience, then he or she will likely not return. Eventually that club will lose enough customers to make a major dent in profits.

    IDK...I am really pretty ignorant about business stuff...
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    This is so true, and honestly I think it stems from the fact that all of those stupid fucking Hip-Hop songs came out in the past 5 years or so, coupled with the fact that everyone wanted a piece of the pie so a million clubs opened, run by people looking to make a quick buck rather than run a long tern, successful business.

    I have been buying stripper dresses at a store in the Mall. I got one the other day for $13. These aren't cute/ sexy cocktail dresses, these are the SAME style as you see in the clubs. I told by best friend "Apparently it's become acceptable for a garden variety slutty teenager to dress like her stage name is Sparkle for geometry class". It was horrifying to see this, but i'M ALWAYS LOOKING to save a buck! Then factor in that with the Pole dancing workouts which are everywhere, and all these celebs are doiong Pussy Cat Dolls (which is a burlesque show) more or less.


    My gf who used to dance with me but decided to retire at 29 because she was "Sick of being made to feel old" bartends at a reg. nightclub,, but it's a place that is 18+ one night of the week and tells me that the kids come in and ask her for change for hundred dollar bills and they stand up on the third floor and make it "rain" on the people dancing downstairs. Then they don't tip her for drinks. Who does that?? On what planet does this make sense????

    Ly lil sister goes to schooll in the greater Tampa area and says that there's a few girls from her school who got fake ID's to work at a club there. When I was in High School I vaugely understood what a strip club even WAS and that's only because my bf used to go a lot!!

    What is happening to this friggin country?? Girls who are in other countriues, have you seen similar alarming trends?
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    I agree that SCs are not being run like a business so much as a place to make as much money as possible off dancers and customers, which is really a self-destructive cycle. My home club makes every effort to take care of the dancers, the customers, and the staff, and it's a happy place to work. People remark on how awesome the service is ALL THE TIME, and they're very picky about who gets hired there.

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    The club going mainstream is killing my money. A few couples is one thing, but I work in a huge club and even the champagne people have to admit sometimes that for ever guy there is at least one girl that came in with him. It's supposed to be one guy for each girl, but that's not how it's working out. These girls come in and start trying to give lap dances to their boyfriends or even try to pick up guys. I would kill a guy if we went out and I got all dressed up and he wanted to take me to a titty bar afterwords. The girls are so young too. Many of them are underage and they're letting a dude take them to a strip club on a date...WTF. Oh and every chick wants to get on stage and get naked too. I've been told by some of the older wealthier guys and even some just average Joes they don't come in as much because they don't want to be seen by all the women, what if it's their coworker or something. The guys there feel like they're being looked at when they walk to the stage and are embarrassed too. So now instead of that guy coming in buying drinks and dances, we have a whole crowd that just sits. Can't buy drinks and won't buy dances or tip. It creates a horrible atmosphere for everyone.

    To make matters worse, we share the our bathrooms with the customers. It's in our locker room. they see us back there with our makeup off and see how it really is behind the scenes. People are supposed to think we're fantasies. This completely ruins that fantasy thats created out on the floor.

    We also have tons of people wanting to try their hand at making "easy money" in the adult entertainment business. I don't care how flabby and pasty and fugly you are, my club will let you work. This is so not fair to the girls that work all the time because I get to hear things like "Well I just went back for 2 dances and they were really awful" so now i have to hustle that much harder to tell him to try one more. All the club worries about is getting that tip out. There is supposed to be a 2 drink minimum and people come in and buy absolutely nothing all the time. I wish the managers thought like us and realized that sometimes it's quality and not quantity.

    When I started in this business I was treated like I was something special for being a dancer both by the customers and by the clubs. Now I feel like something in the background many nights. I feel like no one cares if I'm disrespected or if any of the girls make money. We're treated like were the least crucial part of the club. (sorry this was so long, so was my night)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pogocat View Post
    The club going mainstream is killing my money. A few couples is one thing, but I work in a huge club and even the champagne people have to admit sometimes that for ever guy there is at least one girl that came in with him. It's supposed to be one guy for each girl, but that's not how it's working out. These girls come in and start trying to give lap dances to their boyfriends or even try to pick up guys. I would kill a guy if we went out and I got all dressed up and he wanted to take me to a titty bar afterwords. The girls are so young too. Many of them are underage and they're letting a dude take them to a strip club on a date...WTF. Oh and every chick wants to get on stage and get naked too. I've been told by some of the older wealthier guys and even some just average Joes they don't come in as much because they don't want to be seen by all the women, what if it's their coworker or something. The guys there feel like they're being looked at when they walk to the stage and are embarrassed too. So now instead of that guy coming in buying drinks and dances, we have a whole crowd that just sits. Can't buy drinks and won't buy dances or tip. It creates a horrible atmosphere for everyone.
    YES!!! Not only do couples and girls in clubs kill it for the single men in the building, but they almost always kill it for the men they are with as well. Watch any known good spender walk in the club one time with a girl, and see how little he spends with her there. I've even witnessed these men stop or drastically reduce their future club spending after coming in with girls.

    I had a conversation about this topic with a club owner recently, telling him these very things. His response was "yeah but when you're on stage and you pull a girl up there and the dollars start flying...." NO dude, did you not listen to a word I just said?? The couple of guys next to the girl getting on stage might throw a few extra bucks up there, but doesn't do anything to encourage the REST of the men in the room. In fact, they sit there and whine that they can't behave the same way and it discourages them from spending.

    Agreed with much of what is being said in this thread; I too have been saying it for years. Club management is running this industry right into the ground.


    Cue the female customers to post in this thread how **they** are the best customers ever, always spend and encourage men to spend, etc ad nauseum....lol

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    the only acceptable females in the club are strippers with their boyfriends (friends, husbands, etc) on their night off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    I don't lay the blame at the dancer's feet, though. A huge portion of the problem is management. Little to no hiring standards are issue no. 1, but following that is the lack of training of the dancers, the "I-could-give-a-fuck" attitude of most of the staff members of the club, and not taking customer complaints seriously when voiced in a legitimate fashion (I'm not talking about the guy complaining that he was bounced after trying to finger a dancer or anything). There is also the issue of flooding the floor with too many girls for the client base to support. You can bet that if each dancer was getting paid by the club rather than paying the club to be there, that the club would set some standards and actually think about how many dancers should be on the floor at any one time.
    this sounds like what my club has turned into....frustrating as all hell

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    This is the most frustrating thing we are dealing with at my club right now. Our club is becoming a C-L-U-B. People come, sit at tables, drink and socialize. They ignore us, they don't spend any money, and they cause fights. The women are coming in masses, taking up space, and they only mess up our money, and take seats away from men who spend money.
    Example-After 5 girls (with no men) walked in and sat near my stage, a guy came over to tip and said something regarding the "competition" I now had by my stage. Promptly I said "they are no competition" but I know they are. The men watch these "free" women and get off on the fact that they are in the strip club, and they pay less attention to us. Plus, these women try to attract the attention away from us, while talking shit and hating on us.. Its CRAZY!

    Also, all these rap songs and the whole "make it rain" thing is just getting out of hand. These people come in and want to be seen, want to show off their "money" without really spending any. They want to act like they are "somebody" and they really think they are.. They talk to us however they want and they try to be "hard". Its RIDICULOUS.

    Is there anything that can be done or is it just over? I mean, clearly money will still be there, but it's less and you have to put up with more..

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    I had a conversation about this topic with a club owner recently, telling him these very things. His response was "yeah but when you're on stage and you pull a girl up there and the dollars start flying...." NO dude, did you not listen to a word I just said?? The couple of guys next to the girl getting on stage might throw a few extra bucks up there, but doesn't do anything to encourage the REST of the men in the room. In fact, they sit there and whine that they can't behave the same way and it discourages them from spending.
    I hate that mentality. However, I don't really see that at my club. The women who come in tend to be great tippers, and encourage their boys/hubbies to spend. Some of my best nights are thanks to cool chicks who got their men to spend a lot on me (or spent their money on me to dance for their dude, whatever).

    It does make a difference, however, that female customers are not allowed to give dances, get on stage, take clothing off, etc etc. They have the same exact rules as male customers (including dance rules) and they tend to respect them. I actually bank off of couples and women in general, but I think it helps that my club encourages to behave, unlike some of my previous clubs.

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    I have also had older customers tell me point blank that they don't enjoy strip clubs as much anymore because they have watched the quality degrade so much and they aren't happy about it. They even say that ever since clubs started becoming more free-for-alls instead of trying to maintain order and enforcing laws and rules, that the whole experience has become less enjoyable for them. These men want to go to STRIP CLUBS, not nightclubs or brothels. They also want to see hot women, not flabbies and dopeheads, and they voice this too. They criticize the lack of standards in clubs lately and say it isn't nearly as appealing anymore.

    Is it any wonder strippers these days make the equivalent of half or less what we used to (considering inflation) years ago?

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    We also have tons of people wanting to try their hand at making "easy money" in the adult entertainment business. I don't care how flabby and pasty and fugly you are, my club will let you work.
    When I started in this business I was treated like I was something special for being a dancer both by the customers and by the clubs. Now I feel like something in the background many nights. I feel like no one cares if I'm disrespected or if any of the girls make money. We're treated like were the least crucial part of the club. (sorry this was so long, so was my night)
    The first bit is my club up and down. The second bit is exactly how I feel. Thankfully I only need to work Fri nights now because of my lesser paying job. I had to work full time over the summer and it almost killed me.

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    Hm... my club is still glamorous and I see plenty of girls make 1k+ a night. It definately takes more work from everyone to keep it that way, though. Maybe the economy will drive the dives out of business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otoki View Post
    I hate that mentality. However, I don't really see that at my club. The women who come in tend to be great tippers, and encourage their boys/hubbies to spend. Some of my best nights are thanks to cool chicks who got their men to spend a lot on me (or spent their money on me to dance for their dude, whatever).

    It does make a difference, however, that female customers are not allowed to give dances, get on stage, take clothing off, etc etc. They have the same exact rules as male customers (including dance rules) and they tend to respect them. I actually bank off of couples and women in general, but I think it helps that my club encourages to behave, unlike some of my previous clubs.
    i wish most of the girls that come to my club act like this...there are a few that are great, don't get me wrong...but most of them are BITCHES!

    example:
    about 2 weeks ago, weeknight, pretty slow...im dancing on a side stage...a group of ELEVEN girls walked in. took up 3 tables, ordered drinks and doesnt tip the waitress a DOLLAR! they rolled their eyes, gave us dirty looks and wispered to each other about EVERY that got on stage....loud enough for us to hear. they looked pissed off the entire time they were there. i didn't see them tip any of the dancers in the 4 hours they were there. one of them gave me a single dollar...AFTER i told her to stop lifting up her shirt and bra and showing her bare tits to everyone.

    ugh. i was livid

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    Yeah I can definetely see the decline, and this mainstream bullshit is killing me. We get more women than usual, and women are cheap and terrible 95% of the time. They dance around just about crying for attention, make out with each other, jump onstage, make out with their BF's, and give us attitude while trying to act like they are "better" while shaking their shit for free. I really wish they would stop letting girls ITC. At the very least, they should be subject to the same rules.

    Clubs and dancers are also responsible for the decline. Girls used to be told to get better clothes, do their hair, follow rules, etc. There used to be standards for hiring. We hire just about anything. Its unfortunate and does not attract quality customers. Girls need to get their hygiene correct too. I've encountered way too many smelly strippers. Girls are also giving away everything for a dollar. Rubbing your crotch all over a guys face at the tiprail is the common way to say thank you at my club now. Even with underwear on, this is unacceptable. Clubs don't care about anything anymore.
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    ^Yeah. I get so irritated watching the young girls give away everything for a buck or two on stage. What's the incentive to buy a lapdance or VIP if you're giving it all away for the price of a pack of gum?? DUMBASSES.

    It chaps me even more that club management simply doesn't give a shit. THEY are primarily to blame because they don't offer any sort of training for new girls - maybe give them a quick run-through then toss them into the deep end to figure it out on their own, and then they don't give a shit if girls are breaking the rules and laws left and right....because the GIRLS are the ones who bear all the legal responsibility these days. In the old days the clubs and managers were held legally responsible, but since the legal shift, managers and owners no longer give a shit because they're not the ones who's asses are on the line. BAD for business. It may bring in some bucks in the short term, but I have personally witnessed clubs go to shit in a matter of months when management quit caring.

    There is absolutely no doubt in my mind why business is shit these days. Management is shit, therefore business is shit.

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    Paris, just wanted to say your post was right on the money and that yes, I 've been predicting for years that the seedy places are eventually going to go by the wayside in favor of more streamlined, and therefore better regulated (internally)-and-run places.

    Could not agree with your post more.
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    A post I made a few years ago on this subject:

    http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthr...uture+industry
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    ^^Yes. This is my club too unfortunately, except that we've actually hired girls more than 30lbs overweight. Girls should not be able to show up the strippers, they should be subject to the same rules.
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    Everything you ladies have said is true.Effing ridiculous.I fear the pendulum won't swing the other way anytime soon.Not while I'm hot enough for this business,anyway.

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    I missed this thread when it was new.

    I just want to say WOW! to the daycare ordering a stripper. I'm not exaggerating at all when I say that I would sue the living shit out of a daycare if I found out they had a stripper perform while my child was in the building. I've been accused of being a prude in situations like this before but adult entertainment and children should not mix, EVER. Especially in a situation where people are paying "professionals" to care for their children.

    Kudos to the stripper for turning that down. He must have been shocked when he realized what it was, I know I would've been. WTF are people thinking.

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    I know what to do! When we get asked if we're going to go home with guys (like I do all the time) or if some guy is trying to be handsy we should tell him that some of the girls in plain clothes out there are prostitutes and he just needs to ask the right one. That way he gets his and then it will annoy the crap out of those girls and make them realize how they look to other people. I know tons of the guys in my club will do it, especially after a few drinks.

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    Default Re: Stripping is mainstream

    I'm gonna use that line tonight, pogo cat!


    Haha, I love it. Maybe even hussle him for some money before I point out the best girls in plain clothes to go to

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