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    Arrow Do you like Dancers to 'Sell' you?

    We all know the "Wanna Dance" hustle, which only works late night in crowded clubs, but lately I keep getting this ANYTIME in not-crowded places--and a major attitude when I try to find a nice way to say "No, thank you"

    When I find a smart dancer who seems genuinely interested in talking for a few minutes, my wallet tends to open much more easily. Sometimes I even get into conversations with them about how to sell me.

    I'd like to hear some other guys' viewpoints on what I think is an alarming trend toward 'Wanna Dancers' and away from a Topless Therapist/Geisha attitude. How can we change this?

    From the dancer's standpoints: Do you think dancers are selling less and hustling more now? Why?

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    Default Re: Do you like Dancers to 'Sell' you?

    It would really be nice if guys who want talking cuddly company would say something like "I might get a dance, but I also like good conversation, if I like what you have to offer after a few songs I'll pay you by the hour."

    ... cuz I love cuddly talky company giving! Come see me!

    Oh! And I do think dancers are hustling more now because all the dancers that can't hustle are either terrified and clinging to the bar or have quit.



    Of course it would be nice if all the customers had floating bubbles/lables over their head that said...

    "WANT DANCE NOW, URR!"
    "Intelligent, emotionally mature gentleman seeks university graduate for VIP"
    "Beer? Waitress? Beer?"
    "EXTRAS! STAY AWAY FROM ME! I WANT EXTRAS!"
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    Default Re: Do you like Dancers to 'Sell' you?

    i was going to say i cant be sold...then i remembered a dancer that was not even close to being my type but the more we talked the more fun i was having and she asked to dance for me, so i obliged. She was fun and without the chat i would have never wanted to keep her around. I changed my view that day. But 99% of the time i am not getting sold---i either want her or dont and nothing she can say or do is going to change that 99% of the time

    Now once we establish that i do want her----well she can sell me all she wants

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    Default Re: Do you like Dancers to 'Sell' you?

    I personally really prefer the topless therapist/ geisha approach, -i consider those to be my forte, but my approach depends on the club and the guy.
    for example, right now I work in a wanna dance type of club, so a slow sell would be out of place, since big spenders are uncommon, and i don't need to work that hard to get a dance. however when i work at fancier clubs or Vegas, I am much more likely to do the slow hustle, sit, chat and reel them in, especially when i think the guy has potential.
    These days I like to count my money. I like to wash it delicately and iron it. Sometimes I dry it with some bounty to make it all nice and cuddly. I love my money... did I say that out loud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saphire123456 View Post
    right now I work in a wanna dance type of club, so a slow sell would be out of place, since big spenders are uncommon, and i don't need to work that hard to get a dance. however when i work at fancier clubs or Vegas, I am much more likely to do the slow hustle, sit, chat and reel them in, especially when i think the guy has potential.
    Exactly! It feels SO MUCH better to be appreciated for our personality and flirty nature rather than dealing with "wanna fuck? can we fuck after this dance? what about when you get off? oh. I'm supposed to pay you now?"

    But... I'm spending time at work, away from my daughter and family, to bring home money. I love to talk with the guys at the club and learn from them and joke around, I just can't do it for free.

    It seems like a lot of guys that have been going to clubs by themselves for years like to reverse hustle and see if they can get me to sit and talk for free, too.
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    Default Re: Do you like Dancers to 'Sell' you?

    I prefer sitting with guys and talking to them for a bit before selling a dance, but I've considerably cut down my time because there are so many time wasters.

    I'm not going to sit with someone for 15 minutes only for them to not buy me a drink. And you really can't tell with some guys.

    If you want me to sit, show me SOMETHING that says "I am not a cheapwad, I do buy dances."

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    the catch here is there are so many factors
    the longer you spend talking
    the less time you spend dancing
    owners/managers encourage dancers
    to ask EVERY customer for a dance
    some guys want convo THEN a dance
    some are vice versa
    it's impossible to tell just by looking

    i personally prefer talking to customers THEN dancing
    but it can be tiring and you can cost yourself money
    if your 'investment' turns out to be ALL talk!

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    Default Re: Do you like Dancers to 'Sell' you?

    I haven't run into more "wanna dance" girls - AAMOF there seems to be more dancers sitting and chatting with me lately (I am a daytime clubber).

    Some will sit for quite a while before "popping the question". If she's a good chatter but not my type physically I usually tip her for her time. I used to think that this was standard procedure, but after reading this board I'm finding that it is hardly the norm.

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    ^^ Well, if you don't want that personality to change into pissed off bitch, I'd keep on tipping those girls for being so damn friendly.... to, you know, keep them friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goreantx View Post
    It would really be nice if guys who want talking cuddly company would say something like "I might get a dance, but I also like good conversation, if I like what you have to offer after a few songs I'll pay you by the hour."

    ... cuz I love cuddly talky company giving! Come see me!

    Oh! And I do think dancers are hustling more now because all the dancers that can't hustle are either terrified and clinging to the bar or have quit.



    Of course it would be nice if all the customers had floating bubbles/lables over their head that said...

    "WANT DANCE NOW, URR!"
    "Intelligent, emotionally mature gentleman seeks university graduate for VIP"
    "Beer? Waitress? Beer?"
    "EXTRAS! STAY AWAY FROM ME! I WANT EXTRAS!"
    This was awesome.

    I think a lot of dancers think that "wanna dance"ing everyone means they're hustling harder, but it's the opposite: you have to schmooze a bit more during slow times. Not WAY more, but more than "wanna dance". I think this isn't a huge problem at my club because it's more laid back, with a sort of hang-out vibe (girls do table dances between talking, or get paid by the hour). But I have noticed this problem at my other club. Whatever, those girls are shooting themselves in the foot and I can close the sale with a more personal approach.

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    Default Re: Do you like Dancers to 'Sell' you?

    Also, part of what I love about dancing is getting to know people. While I can easily do that during a dance, I like to get a feel for the person I'm talking to because it gives me a better idea of what they're looking for (more cuddly? sexy? intelligent?) and if it's extras, I can proceed accordingly (either doing cautious dances to make sure they aren't handsy, or just choosing to go dance for someone else if I don't want to put up with their BS).

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    Donovan, I really thought about what you were saying and applied it last night. I got back into asking about the customers and getting them talking about themselves, finding shared interested, etc.

    It didn't take any more time than a wanna dance hustle. They bought me drinks within a song, and within another song I was naked while we kept up the conversation while I half danced, half cuddled.

    Even the guys that weren't there for dances (and I know they weren't, because I was stalking that floor like no ones business between my tables) said they really appreciated my company and tipped me for it.

    I even had old tables come up and give me $5 tips on stage.

    It might sound silly, but I think they acted more respectful during my dances too. Not so much touching. I did have to give a couple bad boys spankings though.
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    Default Re: Do you like Dancers to 'Sell' you?

    normally i seek out dancers i want to lap with. so i do most of the approaching. also, if i get into a convo with a girl and its going well then i usually pop the dance question. its very rare that i say yes to the "wanna dance" line, or if we've been chatting for a bit, the "wanna go to the back" line.

    i guess i dont like being the passive one, lol. i become aggressive/assertive, but i am very well behaved during dances.

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    Default Re: Do you like Dancers to 'Sell' you?

    Good social skills and wit are a big turn on for me, so a dancer's approach is a big part of the experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goreantx View Post
    Donovan, I really thought about what you were saying and applied it last night. I got back into asking about the customers and getting them talking about themselves, finding shared interested, etc.

    It didn't take any more time than a wanna dance hustle. They bought me drinks within a song, and within another song I was naked while we kept up the conversation while I half danced, half cuddled.

    Even the guys that weren't there for dances (and I know they weren't, because I was stalking that floor like no ones business between my tables) said they really appreciated my company and tipped me for it.

    I even had old tables come up and give me $5 tips on stage.
    AWESOME! That's what I'm talking about! I'm not saying every girl can pull this off, but I do really think dancers tend to get into a RUT with what used to work for them or using their "best practices" based on the club.

    I love it when a girl at least tries to mentally feel me out for why I'm in the club. (not just the obvious answer here) 'Wanna Dancers' who get mad at me for saying 'no thank you' are missing the point.

    Ultimately, every man who walks into the club is looking for an EXPERIENCE above all else. You can buy a drink anywhere you like, but if we are honest, all guys want a hot little experience that we could write about in Penthouse Letters if we were so inclined to do so.

    Not something sexual, but suggestive. We want that temperature to rise as we connect with your gaze and that rush of endorphins that tells us we are alive and engaging in a moment with someone who is extremely attractive and mysterious and new (or familiar for regulars).

    It's easy to get jaded and forget why the customer came through the door while we hustle and have our own agendas and money making goals. Just remember, nothing happens until someone SELLS something.

    Girls can be their own personal rainmaker IF they help someone else get what THEY want. The richest dancers have this at their core. There's likely no way you can know what experience someone is looking for if you start your conversation with "Wanna Dance?" I'd be willing to bet money that a relationship dancer outearns and has a better chance to weather this economic storm than someone who just hustles.

    Some of you are GREAT at it! Keep up the good work!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan28 View Post
    It's easy to get jaded and forget why the customer came through the door while we hustle and have our own agendas and money making goals. Just remember, nothing happens until someone SELLS something.
    Hmmmmmm... Where do I go to buy a dance from you, Donovan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeakngEZ View Post
    ^^ Well, if you don't want that personality to change into pissed off bitch, I'd keep on tipping those girls for being so damn friendly.... to, you know, keep them friendly.

    Oh don't worry about that....I'm a crazy tipper.
    I'll tip a girl for just about anything - making eye contact, touching my shoulder as she walks by, or for chatting me up in the ladies room. Stuff like that.

    It's been hard work single-handedly turning this wretched economy back around....but I'm glad to do it!

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    Default Re: Do you like Dancers to 'Sell' you?

    I try not to ask for dances. They walked into the club they can ask me, and they usually do.

    Some regulars I have good conversations with and sometimes when there is a lull to break the silence they say "alright let's go in the VIP." Enough talking basically. That suits me fine because I needed a break from hustling any way.

    It's a good way to recharge.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan28 View Post

    I'd like to hear some other guys' viewpoints on what I think is an alarming trend toward 'Wanna Dancers' and away from a Topless Therapist/Geisha attitude. How can we change this?

    From the dancer's standpoints: Do you think dancers are selling less and hustling more now? Why?
    You could try responding to "Wanna dance?" with "Why don't you sit for a minute, and I'll buy you a drink?". I absolutely love it when guys say this. It allows me to relax, because the dude already knows that I'm expecting a dance, and he still wants me around. I'll usually stay with these guys longer than others, and feel more comfortable with them which results in better dances and conversation. Sometimes you just have to let us know what you want.

    I don't know about other girls, but I definitely hustle more now than I used to. Clubs take more money from us now than they ever have, but our income has not increased. We've been getting regular pay cuts for years, and the pressure is on big time. Every night we have to figure out if our time would be best spent buttering up a few guys or playing the odds with lots of guys. We don't always get it right, and let me tell you, when we get it wrong, it hurts in more ways than one.
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    I mostly go to the club to get lap dances. I can go into any bar in town if I just want to talk to women. So a dancer is wasting her time if she spends more than one song trying to 'sell' me. She might as well just ask up front, because I certainly am not going to cut the conversation short to tell her "btw, I don't want any dances from you", nor am I going to feel any obligation to pay her for talking to me.

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    Not a bad insight, dlabot.

    The only thing I don't agree with is 'just talking to women in any bar in town' is an entirely different prospect form talking to a dancer. Dancers are up front about what they are there for, whereas women in 'regular bars' are going to milk you for drinks and still call someone else late night.

    Dancers can create long term regulars for their club and themselves if they really connect at a core level with the right guy.

    Goreantx: nice meeting you!!

    StripperHacks: Good point, the guy can really do all the asking and give you a hustle break. It's important to know how to read body language if you let him ask. Based on your blog, you KNOW!

    Chris91: Your blog is good too. Thanks for your input. If the guy offers to buy you a drink it's an investment in his time with you and a good indicator that he's not just a tire kicker. Every approach is different, but if you have a couple of targeted hot buttons you try to hit with him, you will find that 'click' happens ALOT more.

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    I feel guys out pretty quickly and it usually starts w/ a " Hi there how are you doing tonite?where ya from insert joke or cool fact about the area, and watcha drinking, etc". I can usually pick most of what i need to know from the guys response in his tone and body language while i do this intro. Men usually offer up why they are in the club during this opening conversation. I just build off it .quickly.

    I do more talking when a custie buys vip or mentions multiple lapdances. after i ask if the custie has been here before and or explain how the club works i ask what hes interested in how much time and fun he wants w/ me. This is usually done pretty quickly and i get my personality out there in this short process.

    I dont have time for time wasters. I talk mostlly in vip and after even with the custie who bought it. If guys by multiples i usually will do some drinks or talking in between. But id rather not work than work for free.

    Im no wanna dancer but i wont sit w/o an encentive. My conversation and personality in the club are good so if that doesnt move it along its not gonna get moved,lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan28 View Post
    The only thing I don't agree with is 'just talking to women in any bar in town' is an entirely different prospect form talking to a dancer. Dancers are up front about what they are there for, whereas women in 'regular bars' are going to milk you for drinks and still call someone else late night.

    Dancers can create long term regulars for their club and themselves if they really connect at a core level with the right guy.
    Dancers are guarantied to call someone else; if by core level you better not be talking a relationship beyond a paid one.

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    Earl: I mean your core as a person. You know when you find something in common with someone that you share a passion for? The more obscure the better. You end up connecting, if even for a few minutes and it enhances the whole experience. Any interaction with another human is a form of a relationship, no matter how short or how lucrative...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan28 View Post
    Any interaction with another human is a form of a relationship, no matter how short or how lucrative...
    At a SC a PL will be negative lucrative if he forgets it is a SC. Actually the only way a PL can get his money's worth is OTC.

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