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    (snip)"Sanity wins Down Under. The warmist fantasy embraced by Labour Prime Minister Kevin Rudd had led to what Reuters correspondent Rob Taylor earlier called a "day of reckoning." The BBC reports:

    The Australian parliament has rejected government plans to introduce an ambitious carbon trading scheme to tackle global warming.

    The measure was the centrepiece of the government's environment plans, and would have cut greenhouse gas emissions by 5% over the next 10 years.

    But opposition senators who control the upper house feared the legislation would harm the country's mining sector.

    The battle is not yet over, however. Bloomberg reports:

    Rudd, who needs support from seven senators outside the government to pass laws through the upper house, can resubmit the bill after making amendments. A second rejection after a three-month span would give him a trigger to call an election.

    "We may lose this fight, but this issue will not go away," Climate Change Minister Penny Wong told the Senate in Canberra. "Australia cannot afford for climate change to be unfinished business."


    But warmism opponents welcome a full debate. Australian Senator Steve Fielding writes some interesting common sense:

    Australia is really yet to have the debate about what is driving climate change.

    For years I believed, like most of us, that man made carbon dioxide emissions were the main cause of global warming.

    However, over the last few months after speaking to a number of scientists both here and overseas I have discovered the science on both sides of the debate isn't conclusive.

    The government needs to explain to the Australian people why global temperatures have remained steady over the last 10-15 years despite skyrocketing man made carbon emissions.

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    Default Re: 'Sanity Wins Down Under' - Aussies defeat 'carbon cap & trade' legislation

    It's been cooler for just a few of the last 10 years, but a few cooler years does not make a trend. Also el Nino is here.

    Who said nature has to show a continuous pattern? Nature's patterns are much more complex than we can model on our computers, even using our incomplete understanding. For example how much algea (absorbing CO2) is in the oceans right now?
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    Default Re: 'Sanity Wins Down Under' - Aussies defeat 'carbon cap & trade' legislation

    Feels weird when the goverment makes decisions that make sense, doesn't it.

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    governments have to make the decisions and do projects that its citizens cannot make by themselves; not all citizens will ever agree to any government decision; politics by definition is a force on its citizens; if we didn't have that, we would never make any decisions or get any public works done at all; to the extent that interests groups have untoward influence, politics can be thrown off-track and make desicions in favor of those interest groups rather than for it citizens in general

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    Default Re: 'Sanity Wins Down Under' - Aussies defeat 'carbon cap & trade' legislation

    ^^^ arguably, the Aussie gov't has 'read the ACTUAL numbers' regarding the projected economic impact of enacting carbon cap and trade legislation, something that US counterparts have yet to do ...





    (snip)"Highlights include:
    ■A family of four can expect its per-year energy costs to rise by $1,241;
    ■Including taxes, a family of four will pay an additional $4,609 per year;
    ■Aggregate GDP losses will be $9.4 trillion;
    ■Aggregate cap-and-trade energy taxes will be $5.7 trillion; and
    ■Job losses will be nearly 2.5 million; (snip)

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    Default Re: 'Sanity Wins Down Under' - Aussies defeat 'carbon cap & trade' legislation

    Other than ignoring CO2 altogether, then what is a better plan?
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