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    Strip club DJs have far more responsibility than you'd think

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    Pop quiz: A strip club DJ (a) has the best job in the world; (b) has the most important job in the industry or (c) is a hybrid of skating rink DJ and your creepy uncle? Hint: This is a trick question.

    Depending on how you feel about naked women, which club you visit and whom you ask, the answer may be any of the three -- but the DJ is absolutely not the Jan Brady of the adult industry. (That's probably the guy who cleans the floors.)

    Just ask Gregory Nickels, a 10-year veteran, now dividing his time DJing between Déjá Vu and Sapphire. "[The DJ] really is the most important aspect in the industry," he says. According to Nickels, it's the jock's job to not only play songs and manage the girls' rotation -- something most laymen don't realize -- but to create and maintain the atmosphere of the entire club. They are really more of an MC than a DJ, and the "C" stands for cash. Whether it's rallying old men and frat boys for two-for-one lap dance; T-shirt incentives at fully nude clubs such as Déjá Vu, where most money is made off the girls; or promoting VIP bottle service at topless clubs such as Sapphire, where most of profits are made from alcohol, the best DJs are the best salesmen, according to Nickels. If you have a bad DJ, he says, your club is going to "go in the hole."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lildreamer316 View Post

    Just ask Gregory Nickels, a 10-year veteran, now dividing his time DJing between Déjá Vu and Sapphire. "[The DJ] really is the most important aspect in the industry," he says.

    What about the strippers? This line made me LOL. Yes, dj's are important to strip clubs, but probably strippers are more important to strip clubs.


    Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!


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    Ive seen clubs work successfully with jukeboxes. I wouldn't say they're the most important aspect of the club (aside from strippers), my old club used to switch djs like nothing, and its one of the most successful clubs in the area. Some djs were bad, some were good..but as long as the music played on time and he didn't mess up the rotation..the club would do fine.

    Yes it's important to keep the crowd going, play the right music, and advertise.. but that doesnt make the dj the next important aspect of the club after dancers. lol. and in my experience, almost every strip club dj thinks like this guy and thinks the club would fall apart without them lol. then they turn to divas too. Sometimes at my old club if the dj was late or had to leave or something, one of the bouncers would get up there and do it.... lol..and i wouldnt even realize it til i went to tip out. so everything ran fine regardless of who was up tthere.

    i agree though that their job is harder than they get credit for. they have to deal with hundreds of girls and keep them all as happy as possible..whether it's remembering their favorite song, or listening to them bitch about bfs.

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    Well you don't always notice what the DJ is doing exactly--hell I ignore my best friends when I am in their club and they are working!

    But there is stuff going on that affects the club very seriously that you'll never notice until it's a problem. The vast majority of customers--and a large proportion of the dancers even--don't have a clue as to what the DJ's job actually entails.

    If the music sucks, people leave. If dancers hate the music that is played for them and aren't putting on a good show, people leave. If the fucking DJ doesn't know how to make a rotation list and has six ugly women up in a row, people will leave--even if six hot women are coming up. If the DJ keeps pissing off all the best dancers who expect professional behavior and care, they will leave the club, go somewhere else, and so will all the customers.

    We are currently kicking the club down the street's fucking ass because the DJ they have working 5 nights a week is a doorman. There are other factors involved, but even though they have more hot women and less dogs, we still rip their balls off nearly every night.

    Jukebox clubs suck.. You hear the same whiny, slow, cheesy, crowdkilling schlock ten times a night each song, plus endless shitty rap songs over and over, which drives the guys with money right out the fucking door. My present club expanded from a jukebox when they tripled the size of the club and what a difference it has made!
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    dealing with girls is a real psychology work in progress :p
    dealing with drunk girl, girls who think the world is spinning around them, call them on the stage and their are at the bathroom etc.. etc.
    once youve learn to work with all kind of stripper , learn how to work with the club staff and team up with the important girls in the club the job is become easier

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    This article is right on when talking about a good dj. A good dj has put me up when he knew id make $ even tho I was unsure, played the perfect song to get me tipped over $100 a set often, and can mix up the music to keep the crowd, dancers, and mgmt happy.

    I agree with this because I've seen what an awesome dj can do for dancers morale, money, and club atmosphere. Of course dancers are of top importance but a good dj does a lot more than people realize. A shitty dj can make for shitty everything.

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    Oooh and just have to add a comment about my truly awesome dj who helps dancers maximize time by asking if she's availabe to dance now or in the midst of closing-my fav. Asks girls do u need stage or floor? If he can. This is way above and beyond and makes it harder for him to fill stage but he'd rather have girls make $ and be happy. We all tip him so well.

    This one asshole will will put girls up when its dead, his favs when its slammin , and will call u up purposlely if u take a seat next to a custie...or wait til he sees u headed to vip. This jerk laughs about losing girls $.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Well you don't always notice what the DJ is doing exactly--hell I ignore my best friends when I am in their club and they are working!

    But there is stuff going on that affects the club very seriously that you'll never notice until it's a problem. The vast majority of customers--and a large proportion of the dancers even--don't have a clue as to what the DJ's job actually entails.

    If the music sucks, people leave. If dancers hate the music that is played for them and aren't putting on a good show, people leave. If the fucking DJ doesn't know how to make a rotation list and has six ugly women up in a row, people will leave--even if six hot women are coming up. If the DJ keeps pissing off all the best dancers who expect professional behavior and care, they will leave the club, go somewhere else, and so will all the customers.

    We are currently kicking the club down the street's fucking ass because the DJ they have working 5 nights a week is a doorman. There are other factors involved, but even though they have more hot women and less dogs, we still rip their balls off nearly every night.

    Jukebox clubs suck.. You hear the same whiny, slow, cheesy, crowdkilling schlock ten times a night each song, plus endless shitty rap songs over and over, which drives the guys with money right out the fucking door. My present club expanded from a jukebox when they tripled the size of the club and what a difference it has made!
    Best post of the bunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadencetyme View Post
    Oooh and just have to add a comment about my truly awesome dj who helps dancers maximize time by asking if she's availabe to dance now or in the midst of closing-my fav. Asks girls do u need stage or floor? If he can. This is way above and beyond and makes it harder for him to fill stage but he'd rather have girls make $ and be happy. We all tip him so well.

    This one asshole will will put girls up when its dead, his favs when its slammin , and will call u up purposlely if u take a seat next to a custie...or wait til he sees u headed to vip. This jerk laughs about losing girls $.

    He probably does all this for a myriad of reasons:

    1) The girls probably dont respect him, or do things he asks of them?

    2) He probably gets yelled @ constantly by girls who ask for the same shitty music week in and week out, or to be taken off the stage prematurely? While you might feel you're getting away with something? he isn't, and Im almost positive, the MGR on duty will be ripping him anew asshole if he tries skipping you for someone else? But you'll never notice/see or care about that.

    3) He probably gets shit on when it comes for the girls to tip him, and probably doesn't care about them, because they dont care about him? It's a mutal respect thing. If all the girls do is complain about him, or the music he plays, what he does to them, he probably doesnt care. Girls probably short him when he does a good job, and dont tip at all?


    The article was pretty much dead on IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGJosh View Post
    He probably does all this for a myriad of reasons:

    1) The girls probably dont respect him, or do things he asks of them?

    2) He probably gets yelled @ constantly by girls who ask for the same shitty music week in and week out, or to be taken off the stage prematurely? While you might feel you're getting away with something? he isn't, and Im almost positive, the MGR on duty will be ripping him anew asshole if he tries skipping you for someone else? But you'll never notice/see or care about that.

    3) He probably gets shit on when it comes for the girls to tip him, and probably doesn't care about them, because they dont care about him? It's a mutal respect thing. If all the girls do is complain about him, or the music he plays, what he does to them, he probably doesnt care. Girls probably short him when he does a good job, and dont tip at all?


    The article was pretty much dead on IMO.
    Sorry, but I'll do some of that shit to girls I don't like/am trying to teach a lesson to.
    Some girls are great and as nice as can be. Others will walk all over you if you let them. If a new girl makes a ton and doesn't tip me out she will definately feel it the next time she works with me. It's now my main focus of the night to make sure that girl makes as little money as possible while my good tippers reep the benefits.

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    Well that sorta goes both ways too. If she ain't makin any money because of you, she can't and won't tip you very much, and I wouldn't expect her to. You're making money either way, right? Even if you aren't making a wage, you have all the girls tipping you. She's not... She gets whatever she earns, and then has to fork over a part of that to you, so whether you like her or not, do your damn job. I'm not saying bend over backwards for her, but at least don't go out of your way to fuck her over. Especially if she's new, she probably has no idea how much she's supposed to tip out or simply wasn't thinking about it because she was overwhelmed with all this new stuff and was nervous and whatever else. And some of them probably get misleading information from the other dancers and just don't know any better. I know I wouldn't have known half of what the fuck I was supposed to do if it weren't for these forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caprica6 View Post
    Well that sorta goes both ways too. If she ain't makin any money because of you, she can't and won't tip you very much, and I wouldn't expect her to. You're making money either way, right? Even if you aren't making a wage, you have all the girls tipping you. She's not... She gets whatever she earns, and then has to fork over a part of that to you, so whether you like her or not, do your damn job. I'm not saying bend over backwards for her, but at least don't go out of your way to fuck her over. Especially if she's new, she probably has no idea how much she's supposed to tip out or simply wasn't thinking about it because she was overwhelmed with all this new stuff and was nervous and whatever else. And some of them probably get misleading information from the other dancers and just don't know any better. I know I wouldn't have known half of what the fuck I was supposed to do if it weren't for these forums.
    Oh I make sure to give the girl the fullest benefit of the doubt and obviously not to new girls. So far, it has worked every time and the girl has straitened up right away. We have a $10 minumum (thanks to me) and a few girls, industry vets that had been there a while before me, still only wanted to pay $5. It's amazing how quickly they turn around and break bread when you play them Dwight Yoakem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtycash View Post
    Sorry, but I'll do some of that shit to girls I don't like/am trying to teach a lesson to.
    Some girls are great and as nice as can be. Others will walk all over you if you let them. If a new girl makes a ton and doesn't tip me out she will definately feel it the next time she works with me. It's now my main focus of the night to make sure that girl makes as little money as possible while my good tippers reep the benefits.
    Dipshit.

    What if the new girl really HAD to pay a bill the next day? Many girls I've danced with tipped big one night a week and minimal all week, and many new girls don't tip anyone much the first week or two because they are paying off debts that are an emergency. Might wanna ask and see what's up, then if she doesn't tip later go all asshole dj on her.

    If you do your job and aren't an arrogant asshole, great. Sorry though, I've worked with WAY too many DJ's who thought they were the shit and demanded $30-$50 from every fucking girl that night...So, there are 35-50 girls on rotation and you wanna get pissy at a new girl who needs to pay her rent cause she stiff's you and only gives you $10 of the $2000 you are making that night. Hint....most of us don't make that much!! I was a top earner and worked at upscale clubs and the DJ nearly always made more than me in tips AND that was on top of pay from management at most clubs.

    BTW - I was always a VERY good tipper, but it just annoyed the piss out of me when people who did very little demanded HUGE tips. You help my stage show, I show the love...and ask my regs to as well. Most DJ's however didn't do much at my old clubs and demanded HUGE tips. A good one is as rare as a perfect diamond and just as appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by princessjas View Post
    Dipshit.

    What if the new girl really HAD to pay a bill the next day? Many girls I've danced with tipped big one night a week and minimal all week, and many new girls don't tip anyone much the first week or two because they are paying off debts that are an emergency. Might wanna ask and see what's up, then if she doesn't tip later go all asshole dj on her.

    If you do your job and aren't an arrogant asshole, great. Sorry though, I've worked with WAY too many DJ's who thought they were the shit and demanded $30-$50 from every fucking girl that night...So, there are 35-50 girls on rotation and you wanna get pissy at a new girl who needs to pay her rent cause she stiff's you and only gives you $10 of the $2000 you are making that night. Hint....most of us don't make that much!! I was a top earner and worked at upscale clubs and the DJ nearly always made more than me in tips AND that was on top of pay from management at most clubs.

    BTW - I was always a VERY good tipper, but it just annoyed the piss out of me when people who did very little demanded HUGE tips. You help my stage show, I show the love...and ask my regs to as well. Most DJ's however didn't do much at my old clubs and demanded HUGE tips. A good one is as rare as a perfect diamond and just as appreciated.
    I DEMAND...$10. That's it. On a friday night. If a girl can't pay me $10 that night than I let her pay me by within a week. This includes weekend nights. I don't think that makes me an asshole or a dipshit. I'm just saying that some girls, and definately not the type of girl who would post on here, couldn't care less if they stiff me and I can't rely on management to take care of it. I've only had this problem with a few.

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    God I Missed SW!!! Ummm..lets see. I, as a monkey who simply pushes buttons, and deserves to be paid in walmart gift cards. Enjoyed the article, even though the article will fuel the Anti-Dj Girls. I have chimed in on this before so i wont re-hash the age old battle between dancers and Dj's.

    I will however address the above comment about a dancer who can't pay her Dj "Fee" due to a bill. If there is a stated min Dj fee then it should be paid regardless. You dont fly from NY to LA and pay for your ticket at the end of the flight. Dj did his required job, pay him at least the min fee required. Girls would flip if the guy in VIP was like "Oh i can only give you half, i got to pay my car insurance tomarow.." lol.

    Btw Dj's and clubs, something good i learned the last 2 years out there on the road..want to help the "tipout" headache...change the wording. It is not a TIPout...It is a DJ FEE, just like housefee etc etc. It will save you so many headaches guys if at the end of the night just as for your FEE and not TIPOUT.

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    I always am very big on music wherever I go for entertainment. I find it very important whenever I play "customer".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dj Captain Rob View Post

    Btw Dj's and clubs, something good i learned the last 2 years out there on the road..want to help the "tipout" headache...change the wording. It is not a TIPout...It is a DJ FEE, just like housefee etc etc. It will save you so many headaches guys if at the end of the night just as for your FEE and not TIPOUT.


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    The thing is though, I really don't think it should be the dancer's job to pay the club's staff. We already pay to come to work, and as independent contractors, for that fee they are supposed to provide us with what we need to do our work. we shouldn't have to provide everyone else's income as well. There's a big difference between going out for a night on the town and refusing to pay your entertainer for services rendered, and going to work and not wanting to end up in the red for it.
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    I see your point but that's the way it is currently set up. The dancers pay most of the DJs' money because the owners want it that way. Don't blame the DJs or hold out on tips because it's not fair, that's like customers saying the clubs ought to be paying the dancers (as well they should!) and refusing to tip, or begrudging a dollar or two an hour.

    When the owners start paying DJs real money, maybe it will change, but I'm not holding my breath. What the vast majority of the DJs get from the club proper is chickenshit.

    Hopefully the DJ knows what he is doing, has a conscience, and will make it more than worth their while for the dancers to tip the minimum or better. Since most of the dancers here tip me anywhere from 15-50$ instead of the required 10$, I think I must be doing OK in that respect.

    There is probably about the same ratio of useless dipshit DJs to good ones as there are pain in the ass whacked out dancers. God knows I've seen enough of both. Pretending neither exist and getting all bent out of shape at the idea is hiding from the truth.

    I do know that if you let certain kinds of dancers take advantage of you, you are fucked, because 10 more will then come along and do the exact same thing. I was an idiot, way too nice, when I started in my first club, and I got fucked.

    It also amazes me how irate the same exact dancers will get if customers don't tip them--who will do anything, use any excuse not to tip you, walk out mad at the manager, walk out drunk, say oops I forgot, etc. etc. Or god forbid a customer is drunk and doesn't pay for a dance--it's the most heinous crime of the fucking century. But it's perfectly OK to forget to tip the DJ for any number of reasons--and I've heard them all.

    There's a real lack of empathy in this business, and it goes both ways, sad to say.

    I do know if I have a lot of trouble with a dancer skipping out without tipping, tipping only the minimum every time while banking and demanding a ridiculous amount of attention or favors, or fucking me over in any number of ways possible in the clubs, and I have to decide who goes before the girl with the fucking weird music that no one else will share the stage with--guess who goes up with her?
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    While I generally agree with tipping a DJ, it has to go both ways. He has to play what I want, he has to not be a jerk, or anything but a good DJ.

    Case in point: I once got into an argument with a manager over a DJ. This DJ never played what you requested (I had all my CDs clearly labeled), he'd be pretty snotty to all the dancers, like he was above them. He'd play your CDs for other dancers, though you clearly told him NOT to play it for anyone else. He'd also play what he thought customers wanted to hear. I specified a certain song (a classic alternative song) and instead he played some country garbage because a customer requested it. That's what finally pushed me over the edge and complained about him. It wasn't me specifically, he did this to all the girls. After awhile none of the dancers tipped him because of this. Don't feel bad for this guy since he was making $10 hour cash in 1994. I've dealt with other DJ's like him (such as the one club that had a DJ who was there to get girls for his escort service). I refused to tip these guys. Not only that, but they really had little responsibilities. They'd let the CD run through and would not do any announcing. I have no idea why the club hired them.

    However, the DJ's that did what they should got more than required. A DJ who I once worked with was really an artist. He'd know who should go up and played what you wanted. He'd tell the guys to tip and push it. He would never play your music for others. He also cut off the song when supposed to, and announced all dancers. He was friendly to everyone. Most of the DJ's I worked with were almost as good as him and they all got tipped fairly. A DJ got me a customer( yes it has happened) and he got an even bigger tip.If you treated me fairly, I treated you fairly and we got along. Treated me like dirt? I'll treat you the same way.
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    Can't ask for more than that...

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    Many of the clubs I frequent don't have a DJ they ether play satellite radio or have the beer-lady play the CDs.

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