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    There's a girl at my work who seems to copy my every dance move. These were moves that, through observation, I made sure no one else was doing. It took me about a year to develop my own style. But she started imitating it.

    I had thought up this really cool pole trick that I had seen no one do, and I finally worked up the courage to do it at work. A couple of weeks later, she did the EXACT SAME trick! AHH!!

    That's not really what erks me about her though. Lately, she'll come up to the customer I'm talking to from behind and rub her boobs on his back and whisper something in his ear. Then sometimes he goes off with her to get a dance! This is RIGHT before I close the deal too!

    I find it very rude and disrespectful to interrupt like that. I realize that ultimately, it is the customer's decision who he gets a dance from.
    I'm not really sure what to do. The last time she did it I gave her a really dirty look without realizing it. Any pointers?

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    We have a girl at my club who does this. She emulates anyone she sees making money, so all the top girls have started getting annoyed. The thing is, she doesn't have that much charisma. Our number one girl at our club is a true Pole Queen, and this other girl will try to copy every trick. But she's only concerned about whether or not she can do it, not whether or not she can do it well. She's all about quantity over quality. Like, there's only three or four real pole tricks I can do, and they're pretty simple. But for some reason, whenever I do them I get a huge response and catcalls and applause, but when she does tricks ten times as complex and complicated, she gets a very passive audience and no one really responds. Why? Because she's mechanical about it. She doesn't dance to fit the music; she just hops right on the pole and stays glued to it for her whole set. Doesn't matter if she's dancing to hip-hop, techno, rap, or rock. It all looks the same. She has no stage charisma. So, don't worry about people doing the same trick you do, because even if it's the same trick, she's probably not doing it the same way. Just make the trick your own and stick to it. Be engaging and original, and she can't do anything to copy that without looking obvious about it.

    As for the customer poaching, it can be difficult to deal with. What I sometimes do is if she comes over and tries the back-rubbing or whispering, I turn super nice and I'm like, "Oh, hi, (insert name here)! Isn't she so hot? I really like her style. You know, you can get a two-girl dance with us if you want." Make it so that it's obvious she's the third wheel, and acting like you're trying to sell the two of you together will usually either actually get him to get a two-girl dance (and if you're both making money, no problem, right?) or put him off of her because now her intrusion looks super rude, and you've formatted the interaction so she's the odd one out.

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    You know what they say.... it's the most sincere form of flattery. Just make sure you do it better.

    I agree with Firemaiden about selling both of you as 2 girl dance. I had a girl do this to me (after the guy came up to ME for the dance) and we did a 2 girl dance. No way I let ppl fuck with my money.
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    I used to work with a girl... and every time she was on stage people walking by me were always like "aren't those... your moves?" because I have a VERY distinct dance style.
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    I would point blank tell her to stay away from my customers when I'm there. If you let her get away with cutting your throat she will continue and get worse. Is she doing this to other girls or just you?

    Copying your dance moves may be irritating but the copycats never get it quite right I've seen several girls try to copy some of my stuff and they always look silly doing it. I think it's funny.

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    I hate copycats. This is something all new girls seem to do at one point or another. I wouldn't let her approach customers why you are sitting there though, that is downright rude, and I would tell her privately to stop. There is nothing you can about her stealing dance moves however.
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    Wow, she straight up tries to steal customers when you're sitting with them? I'd try to head her off.... When she walks up and goes to talk to him (boob smooshing or not), you really need to say something, like... "I'm so sorry hon, but can you give us a minute? We're in the middle of something." Then your best go to hell smile. Apologize for the interruption to him, then go back to what you were talking about (especially attentive to him) regardless of whether or not she's still there.

    You also should say something to management. This is really a bullshit move on her part to steal customers. Mention that it's made some regulars uncomfortable, and that it really makes the club look tacky in general when someone does that.

    You might want to say something to her privately as well. Make sure you compliment her first, make small talk for a little bit, then bring it up.... Just something simple, like.... "I know we're all here to work and make money, but I just want to let you know that it really doesn't look good when you interrupt someone's conversation with a customer. I've noticed this happening a few times, and customers don't appreciate it... I wouldn't do something like that to you, and people notice little things like that.... Especially regulars. I'd just hate to see something so little end up possibly causing problems for everyone, it really ends up affecting us all." Then walk away. Don't argue, don't fight, just smile sweetly and go about your business. Make it seem like you're trying to be the good guy, like you're trying to suggest this to her the way you'd suggest an outfit. Like you're trying to help her make more money.

    Don't worry about her stealing dance moves, worry about her taking money out of your pocket.

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    Thanks ladies, I think that's what I needed to hear. Fuck being walked all over. I'm sure management would love to hear about what she's been doing.

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    ^Ehh, in most clubs, management doesn't give a shit and they generally don't look too kindly on girls running to them to complain. The unfortunate thing is, we are mostly on our own to handle shit in this business.

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    I too hate copy cats...its annoying and it's like wtf, get your own damn style! lol Ah as someone who has been imitated by many just take it with a grain of salt, THEY want to be YOU but truth is the only person who can be you is you. lol. As far as the whole customer thing goes I find that being confident in yourself is key. When she comes over and tries to do the whole boobs smooshed on his back b.s. sit yourself up on your custo's knee or put your arm around him, or better yet give him a sexy massage and YOU whisper in his ear..."You know what I'd really like? To take you away from all these other people and have some fun" Customers EAT up attention, your gorgeous, and chances are they want dances from YOU not her! Make sure to beat her to the punch every single time, she will get the hint...I have never had good experiences of "talking" with girls...most times they will just do whatever they are doing more to get your goat because they know it gets a rise outta you. Be the bigger person and make that money, let her be your motivator to seal the deal with dances.

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    There was a girl at my last club who would do everything I did with my hair. Cut, color, even bought the same wigs as me. She also would see me come in with a new pair of knee socks or something.....low and behold a few days later exact same pair.

    She also went around the club telling everyone how much she hated me and how stupid I was....haha! She even blew up on me in the DR one time and harassed the shit out of me when I first started working there.

    I never once pointed it out to anyone, and kept my mouth shut, then people started coming up to me and being like "Is it just me, or does so-and-so want to be you?" haha
    Pretty obvious what was going on with that........

    She never tried to swoop in on customers, though, and left my regulars alone. I noticed that the guys she would go for would always be the ones I avoided.....so I always was just amused by the whole thing.

    Girls who snake customers though.....ooh. Ballsy. And rude.

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    I'm sorry, whatever you're doing onstage is not original. Everything has been done before. Just get over it.

    However, stealing customers is absolutely not ok. But for the club you work at, it sounds like par for the course. Why don't you steal THAT move from her?

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    I don't thing there's much you can do about her copying your moves on stage, but I totally agree with the previous pots. Just because she's copying your moves doesn't mean she's copying your style. Copying someone else is one of the hardest things to do imo, and people who try it usually look awkward and stupid.

    But I don't thing you should be nice to her or try to give her hints that she's being rude. I would be straight forward. A couple of months ago this new girl would always come up to the customer I was sitting with and make a joke, then introduce herself and then tell him that she was gonna come back when he wasn't so "busy" and that she was going to make sure he'd have the time of his life. Customers would usually give her a "weird" look and then laugh about her hustle with me once she was gone so she never really fucked with my money but still I found this extremely irritating. So the fourth or fifth time she did it I confronted her in front of the customer. I told her that I knew she was new and all, but that interrupting a conversation was extremely rude and obnoxious and I wasn't gonna put up with it anymore. I think she was genially sorry after that and she never did it again.

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    I've copied dance moves... and I've asked many girls to show me their pole tricks. I then do my best to make them my own. But I've been dancing for three months... and I am still trying to figure out what the fuck to do on stage. So if she's new, maybe cut her some slack. She might just be admiring you in that way and trying to get her stripper-style sorted out.

    As for talking to customers... take her aside and rip her a new one. That has always worked for me.

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    Meh. I feel kind of selfish for being upset with her for imitating me on stage. I think she started in January, but from talking to her and seeing her dance it doesn't seem like she has much confidence. I guess she'll find what she's comfortable with eventually.

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    Whut's with the blatant cut throat boobs on the back of the head approach. I would tell her to come back later when myself and custy were done talking.

    This has happened to me before and customers actually appreciate that I tell them straight up, -- hey we're in the middle of a conversation.

    If they are stealing your moves let them have them, and come up with better ones.
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    They can TRY to mimic me, but the way I carry myself - my hustle, confidence, personality & grace are always locked and fully loaded. I don't even see no-quality, zero-character chicks as competition. I just focus on selling ME.

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    People are always gonna steal moves from you. That's just how things work. Same for stealing your style--it just happens. You just gotta keep your head up, keep on rocking what you always have rocked, and your confidence will shine through. People who snag styles and tricks are never as successful as the orginators of said styles/tricks because they just aren't as comfortable with either aspect, and custies can pick up on that right away. Plus, you can tell when someone is being fake and if they are trying that hard to emulate you, they are being truly fake to themselves and that's NOT attractive at all. Custies are going to see that both of you have similar moves and styles AND they are going to see that one of you is confident and secure and that the other one is not. Who are they going to pick? Probably you, if they have half a brain.

    As for her stealing custies, that's another manner entirely. I'd just straight up make her feel awkward. If she walked by I'd probably grab her and ask her what her problem was. I'd say something to the effect of "Excuse me, but so and so and I were having a conversation and I think it's incredibly unneccessary and rude for you to barge in and interrupt us. I'm sure so and so doesn't appreciate it and neither do I. In the future, please keep to walking in straight lines as to not "accidentally" bump into my customers."

    I would also probably throw something in there asking her if she was wasted, or high. Basically I'd make a scene, I'd embarass her in front of customers and then after I was done dancing with said customers, I'd find her in the dressing room and I'd really go off on her. If none of this worked, I'd start doing it to HER customers that she was talking to and I'd go up to guys while she was dancing for them and whisper in their ears. Basically I would make her life such a living hell that she'd have no choice but to stop doing it or to quit.

    As for telling your managers, they never give a shit beyond NOT wanting to deal with drama. Chances are they will just tell you to "get along" or that any girl that "starts shit" will get fired. Men hate women drama. So take care of it on your own and start tipping the managment FAT so that IF it comes to a head and someone DOES cry to them, the management will be on your side. Cuz we all know that it's never about who's right or who's wrong--it's just about who makes the most money for the club and who tips out the fattest.

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    Chances are any pole move youve made up has already been done. I always worry once I start stripping and I do all the pole moves ive learned at home someones gonna get mad that I 'copied' them even though I learned it on my own at home. Theres a giant move directory at http://www.wikipole.org/ ones just alot of pictures with their move name next to them called Pole Move Picture Directory

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    When I was new I worked at a club where it was customary to go up to EVERY guy for tips after your stage set whether they were talking to a girl or not. I never tried to steal customers and I didn't really like the dollar parade but I went with it. A more experienced dancer pulled me aside and explained that it was rude to interrupt no matter what other girls were doing and that she understood I was new. It was the best advice I got and I was grateful for her honesty. Saying something might work if she is new or worked at clubs that enforced things like collecting tips from every guy but she does seem a little over the top.
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    Stage moves you cannot do anything about but for her interruping your hustle I would confront her in a really nice way in the manner that you talk to 8 year olds who are showing bad behavior. Like basically going over the rules of conduct and that she is violating them. After that she may get it or maybe not. If she does not get it I would probably warn the other main girls about her violations. Then let the hardcore bitches of the club deal with her when she does the same thing to them because someone is going to get fired in the catfight amd its usually the new girl unless shes sleeping with management.

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    Talk to the manager about her disrespecting you by interrupting while you are with customers, then make sure you don't take too long to close the deal.

    As for moves, I'm pretty much convinced that nothing is really unique. There are different styles around the country and moves being used by region... but it's all about the same. She probably just saw what you did, thought it was pretty and imitated it. In a way, that is how we all learn.
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