If there is an attack on America we will kill your children.
There has not been an attack on America. Given a choice of door number one; his children die or door number two your children die; what door would you chose?





If there is an attack on America we will kill your children.
There has not been an attack on America. Given a choice of door number one; his children die or door number two your children die; what door would you chose?




Um. Speaking as a Mother...
What does killing children do other than piss everyone off?If someone kills my baby, it's definately not ending there...
Yes, I'm real.





I need a better context for this situation Earl. No one knows what the hell you're talking about.
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I think Earl might be reacting to the decision of AG Eric Holder to reopen investigations of enhanced interrogation techniques like those employed on terrorists like the good-looking guy above. Apparently, we can no longer even hint at doing them harm, even if they are known to have plotted to kill Americans. Apparently we did such egregious things as threaten them and their families or holding empty guns to their head or starting power tools in their presence. The post still doesn't make much sense though. .
"never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe
If you're in your twenties and aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're in you're forties and aren't a conservative, you have no brain - Winston Churchill
Can't we pick door number 3 and kill the child-murdering bastards but not the children? (Of course that is a hypothetical, since I really have no clue what this thread is referring to. I didn't get much sleep so maybe I'm just being dense though.)
"I hear you calling and it's needles and pins. I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name...You're poision. but I don't wanna break these chains.... I wanna love you but I'd better not touch."





Well we only threatened violence against their families and in fact to the detainees themselves. Now we apparently won't be allowed to even mess with their heads. Obviously, I wouldn't advocate actually doing harm to innocent children, but threatening to do them harm in the interest of securing Americans' safety is not something I'd have a problem with.
"never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe
If you're in your twenties and aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're in you're forties and aren't a conservative, you have no brain - Winston Churchill
^^Agreed! Threatening should be allowed. Torture I have big issues with, but threatening violence is one of those on the fence things that I can't seemed to get worked up over. It shouldn't be done if not needed of course, but in the interest of saving lifes, go ahead, threaten the hell out of them if it works.
"I hear you calling and it's needles and pins. I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name...You're poision. but I don't wanna break these chains.... I wanna love you but I'd better not touch."





^^^ I think this all a red herring, meant to divert attention from the tanking health plan anyways. The loony left is becoming upset with Obama because the health care initiative is foundering, so the administration is throwing them a bone. Bashing the Bushies is as important to them as anything else, so there you go. This will bring them back into the fold.
"never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe
If you're in your twenties and aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're in you're forties and aren't a conservative, you have no brain - Winston Churchill
^^Hey!! I'm one of those looney lefts!! (and I'd never call right wingers looney, might think it but wouldn't say it.)
I don't argue politics on here though. Too many people (on both sides) that don't listen to anything anyone says and just keep repeating their own side in different ways without addressing anything anyone else says. Pointless!
"I hear you calling and it's needles and pins. I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name...You're poision. but I don't wanna break these chains.... I wanna love you but I'd better not touch."





My point was the administration is just playing to its base because the base isn't happy right now. The fact that you can see the value in enhanced interrogation techniques means that you are not as far to the left as those you thought I was impugning.
"never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe
If you're in your twenties and aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're in you're forties and aren't a conservative, you have no brain - Winston Churchill
I dunno I'm pretty far left.But yanno, sometimes I just happen to agree the conservatives on some points. Those that don't think things through, have no ability to change their minds and just agree with everything their party supports are terrifying imo.
As for playing to the base, I really don't get WTF people are so worked up over lately! Maybe it's because I've got so much crap going on in my life and haven't been following it closely enough, but from what I've heard it doesn't seem to me like all is lost. We've compromised so damn much on the healthcare that it's going to be damn near pointless, but hey, something is better than nothing imo. Also, without the recent extensions on unemployment benefits and COBRA, we would have been unable to pay our bills these last few months. (Then again, I'm a positive, glass half full sorta person.)![]()
"I hear you calling and it's needles and pins. I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name...You're poision. but I don't wanna break these chains.... I wanna love you but I'd better not touch."





You're making my case for me that you're not that far left. The truly loony left wants nothing but the whole loaf. If you sometimes agree with the conservative viewpoint, you can't be out on the fringe.
I'm more of a fiscally conservative libertarian. The only things that come to mind that I might agree with the Left on would be drug legalization, prostitution decriminalization, and no death penalty.
"never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe
If you're in your twenties and aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're in you're forties and aren't a conservative, you have no brain - Winston Churchill
^^ I'm not gonna argue if I'm far left or moderately left or whatever... I make individual decisions on each issue after some research. I will say that nearly all of my friends are left wingers and none are as set in their ideals as many people seem to think...they are all thinkers who regularly change opinions when circumstances change. BTW - None of them could give a CRAP about gun-control either, which is what conservatives try to use back home to make left-wingers into the devil!
I WANT the whole loaf so to speak. Single payer would be ideal to me...but considering most of my family has NO insurance and I never had any as a child, to me anything seems better than nothing. I make a very healthy income and have for many years and if I end up paying a few extra dollars to insure those less fortunate, I don't have a problem with that. Really, I can't see anyone who does have a problem with it as anything other than incredibly selfish. Being raised very poor then ending up financially comfortable as an adult has given me a very different perspective from many others in my income bracket.
OK, end of political discussion. That's as in-depth as I like to go on this board. Learned my lesson years ago after a nasty discussion in which no one listened to anything the other said.
"I hear you calling and it's needles and pins. I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name...You're poision. but I don't wanna break these chains.... I wanna love you but I'd better not touch."





"never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe
If you're in your twenties and aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're in you're forties and aren't a conservative, you have no brain - Winston Churchill





How America treats people and countries, and more importantly, how they are perceived in this regard is said by some to be at the root of why extremist folks like the gentleman pictured get so....extreme. Asserting a policy of fair treatment of criminals in interogations is probably a means to rehabilitate the image of the United States as much as it is to do the right thing. Both laudable goals.










Ok, let the Taliban be the first ones to extend the olive branch and I will believe it. Let them stop beheading prisoners, throwing acid into the faces of school girls, and sending homicide bombers into shopping markets and we can then start considering this.
Until then I could care less what the other Nations think, as most will roll over and offer appeasement, even if it does them no good (spain).





Yep the Messiahs poll numbers are slipping, and the healthcare fiasco is failing sooooooooo out comes a .gov flunky to bash the Bush admin, with the cheer leaders of msnbc, acorn, and moveon.org.
This was distraction, a pep rally, to motivate the far left. Distract you from SEIU brown shirt tactics at town halls, that folks are discovering they get taxed in the clunkers program, that the stimulus has really stimulated the far east economies, oh yeah and a health care fail.
Don't follow the rabbit, alice.





Who is in the photo? it kind of looks like Ron Jeremy.





Sheikh Khalid Mohammed he planned the 9/11 attacks and was third in line for al qaeda. He was waterboarded and gave up alot of information, that and the CIA threatened to target his family directly if anything else happened to american citizens. The O admin wants to prosecute those CIA agents.










Really?Forewarned by a telephone call from Malta's Prime Minister, Karmenu Mifsud Bonnici, that unauthorized aircraft were flying over Maltese airspace heading south towards Tripoli, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and his family rushed out of their residence in the Bab al Aziziya compound moments before the bombs dropped. Gaddafi escaped injury but his 15-month-old adopted daughter Hanna was killed, and two of his sons were injured.
He didn't cause much trouble after that.
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