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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan28 View Post
    And another one...why is the United States one of the only countries in the world that forces people together the way we do? Look at Japan and Russia. They are nearly segregated. Why?
    I like goreantx's points. Force is seeing it all wrong. There are parts of the world that were settled in larger scales further in the past, and Japan and Russia are fairly isolated, meaning that over vast periods of time people tend to have very similar genes and lineage.

    America OTOH was fairly recently colonized by settlers from other parts of the worlds (displacing the Indians that lived her first). For various reasons we have a large mix of people from different parts of the world living here, some brought against their will, some to seek new opportunities. Keep in mind that the methods of fast travel we enjoy today including planes and even our naval options and navigation technology is VERY new on a historical scale. People didn't move around so fast in the past.

    The only real "force" at play is that these very same people would like equal opportunities, and that is fairly deeply intertwined with matters like stereotyping, racism, etc., plus there are more opportunities for people of mixed genetic backgrounds to fall in love, pair off, have children, etc. From that we agree to write laws that require citizens of the USA to be tolerant of the mix of people that are actually living here, and in fairly high percentages as compared with some parts of the world (that I feel are actually far less tolerant because they have less exposure, but that is a side story).
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    I'm not 100% PC, but it seems to me that most racism comes from people who are afraid of what they don't understand. Then you add alcohol and people's inhibitions start coming down... here's a direction to take the conversation, though...

    Why are old people allowed to be racist? I know they lived through a time when it was 'acceptable', but times have changed.

    And another one...why is the United States one of the only countries in the world that forces people together the way we do? Look at Japan and Russia. They are nearly segregated. Why?

    We're forced together? I thought this was one of the things that made America so great. Everyone has the same oppotunities. Equal chances and equal rights for everyone. The person who is brought up in squalor in another country can come to America and be on the cover of Forbes someday. You can move into any house in any area you choose. People die in their attempts to get here and why is that? It's because there is no other place like this country in the world. Ask people in other countries why they want to come here and they'll tell you it's because our streets are paved with gold. We're not forced together. We CHOOSE to be together. You would rather be segregated? To what point and purpose? You would rather this country run the way Russia is run? Not for me thanks!
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    We're forced together? I thought this was one of the things that made America so great. Everyone has the same oppotunities. Equal chances and equal rights for everyone. The person who is brought up in squalor in another country can come to America and be on the cover of Forbes someday. You can move into any house in any area you choose. People die in their attempts to get here and why is that? It's because there is no other place like this country in the world. Ask people in other countries why they want to come here and they'll tell you it's because are streets are paved with gold. We're not forced together. We CHOOSE to be together. You would rather be segregated? To what point and purpose? You would rather this country run the way Russia is run? Not for me thanks!
    +1. I completely missed Donovan's post. It's actually being asked WHY we don't want segregation, and why it's been fought against for 50+ years now? No words...

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    I liked dj dosers tale of bikers, donkey ball country music, and black chics on stage. Reminds me of my good old country roads home :0)

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    Ummm, Russia is a very diverse country. Its not isolated at all, although Sibera is very remote. Its the largest country in the world, its surrounded by dozens of countries. The population is heterogenous. The only race that is not prevalent is that of African-descent, although there is still a sizeable population of Afro-russians that moved her during the cold war, or even since. The government does not run Russia in a manner that keeps people separate.

    The culture there is much older than that of America. Certain sub-ethnicities have ruled over their regions for 1,000+ years. But anyone living in a decent sized city in Russia will see that all of the races and ethnicities live together and inter-marry.

    Just sayin...Russia is a really bad example of a homogenous culture. Japan may be better, but only because historically, the Japanese rulers have fought hard to eradicate indigenous groups of people from predominant society. For example, The Ainu people; here's a quick Wiki if you want to know more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_people

    Fascinating stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    We're forced together? I thought this was one of the things that made America so great. Everyone has the same oppotunities. Equal chances and equal rights for everyone. The person who is brought up in squalor in another country can come to America and be on the cover of Forbes someday. You can move into any house in any area you choose. People die in their attempts to get here and why is that? It's because there is no other place like this country in the world. Ask people in other countries why they want to come here and they'll tell you it's because our streets are paved with gold. We're not forced together. We CHOOSE to be together. You would rather be segregated? To what point and purpose? You would rather this country run the way Russia is run? Not for me thanks!
    I'll reiterate the opening statement- this discussion is just to have an open conversation and hear viewpoints, not jump anyone's opinions because they don't match our own or demonize anyone whose views do not reflect our own...

    Those were some very interesting conclusions you tried to jump to about my 'force' statement. I doubt highly that anyone in the south thought the Civil War and bussing laws weren't FORCING them at all.

    Streets paved with gold? Maybe in Hollywood, but have you seen the inner cities of most US Cities lately? I hope you mean politically speaking...yes, our uber liberal government has made this a great place to come and skirt our laws while stealing the rights and privileges of middle class American citizens for 'free' and screaming for rights they don't have. (yet, give Obama a few months more)

    Would I rather be segregated? Good question, JaT. No, I wouldn't. What I'd like is ALL people having equal standing and no 'protected groups' and 'affirmative action'. Those are just things that were created to give certain people a leg up over others, and are now outdated if we're being honest and everyone is as equal as we say we are.

    Unfortunately, some people didn't get the memo and they jump on a plane and stop traffic whenever one of 'their own' is accused or 'unjustly charged'. (Jesse Jackson) I'm sure OJ and Michael Jackson didn't buy their way out of trouble, aren't you?

    What's crazy is that the war of words has escalated to the point where if you're not being PC to everyone, you're a terrible person. (Oh, unless you're in a protected group, then go for it! Yell at any other group you want!) What happened to intelligent discourse and being able to debate without all of this hate that automatically starts when someone disagrees with a liberal?

    There's a revolution brewing in this country. Watch what happens over the next few days about Obama's 'Green Jobs Czar' Van Jones. He's a self avowed Communist, ex con, 9-11 Truther with a Congress proof appointed presidential advisory spot. This guy is representative of what I think is 'allowed racism'. Everything bad that happens is 'whitey's' fault. Total Jeremiah Wright stuff all over again.

    If racism is to ever go away, EVERYONE has to give it up, not just 'white' people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    I'm not racist. All money is green.

    There is no race I try to avoid at work. I am starting to notice you cant even avoid the young guys because they spend too! A lot of older guys are more focused on family and retirement and the younger guys end up having more of a disposable income. Just last week a 24 year old guy $2000 on me . He was a cutie too.

    I feel for black girls if they do have to deal with that kind of discrimination. All I know is that the black girls at my club are always making big money. This one super skinny black chick is in champagne all night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goreantx View Post
    America is almost completely populated by immigrants. We live in the land of opportunity because we can live and work together.

    Dallas is actually very segregated compared to my experience in Seattle. (Minus the Tacoma area) It's a lot more peaceful when people blend in together.

    People are the same; cultures are what holds them apart.

    Take two people of the same racial background, but opposing political beliefs, and it's easy to see that skin color has nothing to do with how people act.
    A-fucking-men. You get two people of different races who have had the same experiences, and the same political beliefs, and . . .they can be like twins. Politics and culture is slowly becoming what race used to be here.

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    I'll reiterate the opening statement- this discussion is just to have an open conversation and hear viewpoints, not jump anyone's opinions because they don't match our own or demonize anyone whose views do not reflect our own...

    Those were some very interesting conclusions you tried to jump to about my 'force' statement. I doubt highly that anyone in the south thought the Civil War and bussing laws weren't FORCING them at all.

    Streets paved with gold? Maybe in Hollywood, but have you seen the inner cities of most US Cities lately? I hope you mean politically speaking...yes, our uber liberal government has made this a great place to come and skirt our laws while stealing the rights and privileges of middle class American citizens for 'free' and screaming for rights they don't have. (yet, give Obama a few months more)

    Would I rather be segregated? Good question, JaT. No, I wouldn't. What I'd like is ALL people having equal standing and no 'protected groups' and 'affirmative action'. Those are just things that were created to give certain people a leg up over others, and are now outdated if we're being honest and everyone is as equal as we say we are.

    Unfortunately, some people didn't get the memo and they jump on a plane and stop traffic whenever one of 'their own' is accused or 'unjustly charged'. (Jesse Jackson) I'm sure OJ and Michael Jackson didn't buy their way out of trouble, aren't you?

    What's crazy is that the war of words has escalated to the point where if you're not being PC to everyone, you're a terrible person. (Oh, unless you're in a protected group, then go for it! Yell at any other group you want!) What happened to intelligent discourse and being able to debate without all of this hate that automatically starts when someone disagrees with a liberal?

    There's a revolution brewing in this country. Watch what happens over the next few days about Obama's 'Green Jobs Czar' Van Jones. He's a self avowed Communist, ex con, 9-11 Truther with a Congress proof appointed presidential advisory spot. This guy is representative of what I think is 'allowed racism'. Everything bad that happens is 'whitey's' fault. Total Jeremiah Wright stuff all over again.

    If racism is to ever go away, EVERYONE has to give it up, not just 'white' people.
    Ugh, really dude? I didn't jump on you about anything. And Im not the only one who took your statement that way. If I had jumped on you, trust me, you'd know it. If you want to have an "open discussion" (as you've said many times) act like it. All I did was respond to your "interesting" statement.

    And btw, streets paved with gold was figurative. Duh.
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    Ugh, really dude? I didn't jump on you about anything. And Im not the only one who took your statement that way. If I had jumped on you, trust me, you'd know it. If you want to have an "open discussion" (as you've said many times) act like it. All I did was respond to your "interesting" statement.

    And btw, streets paved with gold was figurative. Duh.
    Maybe it's just your condescending tone. Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan28 View Post
    I doubt highly that anyone in the south thought the Civil War and bussing laws weren't FORCING them at all.

    You mean being forced to follow the Emancipation Proclamation and Brown v Board of Education? The nerve!

    yes, our uber liberal government has made this a great place to come and skirt our laws while stealing the rights and privileges of middle class American citizens for 'free' and screaming for rights they don't have. (yet, give Obama a few months more)

    Since when are Free Traders uber liberals?


    Would I rather be segregated? Good question, JaT. No, I wouldn't. What I'd like is ALL people having equal standing and no 'protected groups' and 'affirmative action'. Those are just things that were created to give certain people a leg up over others, and are now outdated if we're being honest and everyone is as equal as we say we are.

    As the pendulum swings back it cannot stop in the middle. I wish all the teabaggers had the same opportunities during their protests as those "protected groups" did while excercising their Constitutional rights. You know, like fire hoses, german shepherds, being fired upon by the National Guard, places of worship bombed, and having their leaders assassinated.


    If racism is to ever go away, EVERYONE has to give it up, not just 'white' people.
    Well sure, now that the backlash is affecting the previous beneficiaries, they feel the need to end it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan28 View Post
    Maybe it's just your condescending tone. Duh.
    I wasn't condescending until that last post when you insisted I "jumped" on you. But now I'll put you on ignore and not be bothered with you again. Apparently a "discussion" isn't what you're really after at all bc you only want to talk to ppl who agree with you. Have fun being a jerk to someone else. Im done now.
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    I liked dj dosers tale of bikers, donkey ball country music, and black chics on stage. Reminds me of my good old country roads home :0)
    That club was a circus. It was literally surreal. Quentin Tarentino could make a movie about it, and people would love it--but they would never believe it could actually happen. It was real alright, I was there. But then again on slow nights it really sucked sometimes!


    About Russia, not to stir up any trouble (please, this thread was going so well for a while), but it has been my understanding that the USSR was for most of its recent history a confederation of many more diverse and plentiful racial/ethnic/religious groups than exist in the USA, that were more or less segregated as a result of the extreme limitations on travel, freedom (of movement as well as in other aspects of living), etc., until very recently in its history.

    Without the general prosperity that the freedom to travel requires, I cannot believe that the former USSR is anywhere near as integrated as the USA is, even if the USA leaves a lot to be desired in that respect. To be sure the Russian economy has probably advanced a great deal since glasnost opened the economic barriers, but enough to allow widespread travel to the extent that the USA has experienced for most of its modern history? I'm inclined to doubt it.

    Though I could be wrong, and I imagine that the cities have become smaller 'melting pots' in recent years. I have heard good things about Moscow from some of the Russian dancers in particular.
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    This black girl wore this huuggee afro tonight and guys were eating it up. It was awesome. By the way, we need more asian girls. There's only one working like 3 days a week. I love the Lodge, it keeps a diverse selection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    I wasn't condescending until that last post when I "jumped" on you. But now I'll put you on ignore and not be bothered with you again. Apparently a "discussion" isn't what you're really after at all bc you only want to talk to ppl who agree with you. Have fun being a jerk to someone else. Im done now.
    This is exactly the kind of reactionary BS I'm talking about. Insulting, condescending and not willing to listen to other viewpoints... Thank you for making my point. I've never insulted you or your opinions. It's OK to disagree agreeably, but it's not OK to be bitchy about it.

    I'm more than willing to listen to anyone with an opposing viewpoint and have a reasonable discussion, as well as be respectful and tactful. There's no need for vitriol and hitting the 'ignore' button on anyone unless they are prolific with insults and personal attacks. The site kicks people off for that.

    I encourage people to have an opinion, while we still have first amendment rights. Don't take what the mainstream media gives you as gospel. Find other news sources and do your own research. Free your mind. This liberal media is in the bag for this current administration. (ABC informercial on healthcare reform as an example, not reporting important gaffes and appointment of leftist radicals into the Czar positions, blowing up distraction stories into humongous proportions to take the spotlight away from Congress robbing us) MSNBC is the absolute worst.

    I agree with what GoreanTX said earlier. It's culture and politics that are driving us apart. Look at the general difference just from the Far Left Coast (CA- broke and ready to make the federal government (taxpayers in all states) pick up the tab from decades of bad liberal management.) and New York/New England/Philly, etc. These people are crammed together in a small space and don't generally drive anywhere with very little sense of reality outside their little bubble. (That's what Seinfeld was trying to tell us in the 90s)

    The truth is that most people in what the coasts call 'flyover states' don't agree with most of this liberal crap and we aren't going to take it much longer!

    Watch how the media reports hundreds of thousands of people marching on Washington on September 12. They will say it's a couple of hundred right wing nut jobs and spin it wrong. You heard it here first, before they do it.

    So how do we fix this? Stop voting with a 'party' (both of the RepubliCrats have always voted for bigger federal government and with special interests, along with pay raises for themselves and Constitution challenging-bad for America policies) Start getting involved and educated about who we are sending to Washington. Check out www.Goooh.com

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    Well sure, now that the backlash is affecting the previous beneficiaries, they feel the need to end it now.
    Thanks for your input Ernie. I'm not sure I liked how you picked and chose the pieces of my post you wanted to stay away from because you might not have had a comeback to them...but no matter.

    This one alone is worth responding to. This 'backlash' IS racism, and it's being allowed to run it's course under the guise of political correctness. This is completely counter to everything Martin Luther taught.
    I don't think his end-goal was to make 'white' people suffer, was it?

    Previous beneficiaries? I'm 40 and don't believe I've EVER benefited from racism. (Who does??) Maybe some people in their 70s did, but that is not a reason to punish white people now for federal policies that happened when I was a kid and are now going the other way for the last 30 years.

    So you are saying that you wish the cops would shoot the conservative, patriotic constitution restorers with fire hoses? I assure you there will be no violence at these REAL peace gatherings. You might see a few signs you don't agree with, but they are peacefully protesting what is becoming an increasingly Marxist government.

    We are a Rupublic, and our federal government is supposed to be limited. The STATES have all the power and bad politicians have been trying to change that for decades. We're going to change that back.

    Bottom line: The federal government is not supposed to be a provider of healthcare (1/6 of our economy) or a redistributor of wealth. They should run the post office and foreign policy. If you haven't noticed, everything they touch turns to crap. The service gets bad and they waste about half of the money they keep throwing at everything (our tax dollars).

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    This black girl wore this huuggee afro tonight and guys were eating it up. It was awesome. By the way, we need more asian girls. There's only one working like 3 days a week. I love the Lodge, it keeps a diverse selection.
    I agree. I'll see what I can do about recruiting... The Lodge is by far the best club I've ever been to and I've been to a few.

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    So how do we fix this?
    FWIW I think this is a common sentiment but sadly over looks a subtle aspect of human nature. We are essentially unhappy campers (statistically, even if you find some exceptions). It is not all bad news though. Some have attributed our remarkable success in the gene pool to our "bitch gene". We simply are rarely content, always looking for some way to improve our lot in life, even at the expense of others. Our competitiveness is strong and we mostly do it without thinking, see everything from our own PoV and how could things be better for us.

    I honestly don't think there is any "fixing" this; that no matter how good or bad our economy is people will bitch and want more, and that this is both a positive and a negative. We just aren't plants content to barely subsist using the least resources possible in the least aggressive way possible (that is the positive). It is also the negative. And even if you find individuals who feel content, they have enough, they won't live forever. There are always new people being born of which many will be unhappy and want better lives. The driving force behind progress (technological, political, and social).

    And we all think if we'd only fix a, b, and c that we'd be happy tomorrow. But tomorrow comes and even if fixed, then we will want d, e, f. The constant struggling between people for their own better good is both behind our progress, and our discontent.

    Yep, I basically just said we are all whiny bitches at heart
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    Ummm, Russia is a very diverse country. Its not isolated at all, although Sibera is very remote. Its the largest country in the world, its surrounded by dozens of countries. The population is heterogenous. The only race that is not prevalent is that of African-descent, although there is still a sizeable population of Afro-russians that moved her during the cold war, or even since. The government does not run Russia in a manner that keeps people separate.

    The culture there is much older than that of America. Certain sub-ethnicities have ruled over their regions for 1,000+ years. But anyone living in a decent sized city in Russia will see that all of the races and ethnicities live together and inter-marry.

    Just sayin...Russia is a really bad example of a homogenous culture. Japan may be better, but only because historically, the Japanese rulers have fought hard to eradicate indigenous groups of people from predominant society. For example, The Ainu people; here's a quick Wiki if you want to know more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_people

    Fascinating stuff.
    I will stay out of this or any political threads,but will say this,even though it's off topic...

    Thank you for saying that about Russia.It always amazes me how people tend to make assumptions without ever having been there or even reading much about it.

    USSR was much more diverse than USA and actually,USA is more isolated,if you look at the map.About people not travelling much,it was simply because there was no need for it,all those countries/republics are very old,and people were happy where they were and were very traditional.The whole moving around/shifting phenomenon is more recent due to globalization.In fact,people from the former USSR are now found anywhere and everywhere in the world.

    About Russian economy,it was always doing great and was run very well,it was just greatly stagnanted by the communist/socialist era,which lasted about 70 years.Just look up Tzarist Russia, for an expample,and you will see,a wealthy country with great resources.

    I can go on and on about all this,but there's really no need.The fact is that it is a great country with a VERY long history,which has been evolving and changing over centuries.

    Moscow is doing fantastic,it's a very old stunning city,founded in 1147,but was around even before that.It's a huge center for the history,arts,fashion,cuisine,education and list goes on.I still go back to visit family every 6 months,they all live in different parts of downtown of this HUGE metropolis.Even after all the ups and downs,I believe Moscow is still on top of the Forbes list of the most expensive cities of the world,was in fact,#1 for about 3-4 recent years (actually,IMO it's not the best thing).There were also listed about 40 billionaires,mostly under 40 years of age,all from the same city.....So they were doing something right.

    There are a lot of bright people in this resilient country,and things always tend to work out.I am speaking mostly for Moscow and ST Petersburg although.There are definitely poor parts of the country,especially considering what all those wars have done,but that's a characteristic of any other country that exists.Sometimes I go for a drive outside of DC or NYC.Go about an hour away and you might be in for a surprize!


    As far as the racial thing goes in the clubs....a customer is a customer.There is no age,race,background,sex,whatever,once they're in the club,all they are is a wallet.I approach every single person,and sometimes it can be a very nice surprize....

    So let's just respect everyone without judging and work together!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusdancer View Post

    Thank you for saying that about Russia.It always amazes me how people tend to make assumptions without ever having been there or even reading much about it.

    USSR was much more diverse than USA and actually,USA is more isolated,if you look at the map.About people not travelling much,it was simply because there was no need for it,all those countries/republics are very old,and people were happy where they were and were very traditional.The whole moving around/shifting phenomenon is more recent due to globalization.In fact,people from the former USSR are now found anywhere and everywhere in the world.

    About Russian economy,it was always doing great and was run very well,it was just greatly stagnanted by the communist/socialist era,which lasted about 70 years.Just look up Tzarist Russia, for an expample,and you will see,a wealthy country with great resources.

    I can go on and on about all this,but there's really no need.The fact is that it is a great country with a VERY long history,which has been evolving and changing over centuries.

    Moscow is doing fantastic,it's a very old stunning city,founded in 1147,but was around even before that.It's a huge center for the history,arts,fashion,cuisine,education and list goes on.I still go back to visit family every 6 months,they all live in different parts of downtown of this HUGE metropolis.Even after all the ups and downs,I believe Moscow is still on top of the Forbes list of the most expensive cities of the world,was in fact,#1 for about 3-4 recent years (actually,IMO it's not the best thing).There were also listed about 40 billionaires,mostly under 40 years of age,all from the same city.....So they were doing something right.

    There are a lot of bright people in this resilient country,and things always tend to work out.I am speaking mostly for Moscow and ST Petersburg although.There are definitely poor parts of the country,especially considering what all those wars have done,but that's a characteristic of any other country that exists.Sometimes I go for a drive outside of DC or NYC.Go about an hour away and you might be in for a surprize!
    Thanks for writing this. I do not pretend to be an expert on the history of Russia, I am more curious to find the truth than trying to tell it.

    Have you been to Kiev? From what I hear it was a bustling metropolis and cultural center when Moscow was a still little riverside town in the 12th and 13th centuries. I would love to go there. We have a lot of dancers from the Ukraine, as well as a few from Siberia.

    There were 3-4 from Moldova at my last club (formerly known as Bessarabia), another one of those smaller republics which have split off from the old USSR. I think I have worked with about 8-10 all told from the Moscow area, including a very charming woman from near Gorki. though that is probably a lot higher if you include some of the ones who moved on after a short time.

    It's also interesting to see how people view the term 'Russia.' these days. So much of what people referred to as Russia, or USSR, say 20-30 years back, has now splintered apart into various semi-autonomous nations, as some of the various ethnic groups seek independence. But so long as travel is freely encouraged and frequent, this would not necessarily reflect a trend towards segregation, per se.

    I am also curious as to how the Russian people view the Tsarist heritage. Sure the country was wealthy, but the division of wealth was surely one of the most imbalanced in history--the plight of the serfs being not much better than slaves from what I have read, and not much of a 'middle class'. Not that communism was the answer to that situation. What's interesting about the USA today is that despite the massive wealth of the nation, and the prosperity of the average citizen compared to say a hundred years ago, the division of wealth is also becoming increasingly unbalanced.

    We are digressing here, sorry, but this is quite interesting. Maybe we should start a thread on Russian history somewhere else! That would be fun...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rusdancer View Post

    As far as the racial thing goes in the clubs....a customer is a customer.There is no age,race,background,sex,whatever,once they're in the club,all they are is a wallet.
    Ouch! Using that logic, the customer could say the entertainer is just a pair of boobs! (I'm NOT saying this)

    I tend to think there are 2 individuals who are in a setting that creates a mood where they can relax and if so inclined, get closer to eachother. If it's just the guy being a walking wallet, that reduces it to something else.

    You're just breaking it down to the bare bones and you're kind of right, but I don't think guys want to see it that way.

    I'm OK with dancers seeing dollar signs over my head in their mind, just don't let me know that's what's up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    FWIW I think this is a common sentiment but sadly over looks a subtle aspect of human nature. We are essentially unhappy campers (statistically, even if you find some exceptions). It is not all bad news though. Some have attributed our remarkable success in the gene pool to our "bitch gene". We simply are rarely content, always looking for some way to improve our lot in life, even at the expense of others. Our competitiveness is strong and we mostly do it without thinking, see everything from our own PoV and how could things be better for us.

    I honestly don't think there is any "fixing" this; that no matter how good or bad our economy is people will bitch and want more, and that this is both a positive and a negative. We just aren't plants content to barely subsist using the least resources possible in the least aggressive way possible (that is the positive). It is also the negative. And even if you find individuals who feel content, they have enough, they won't live forever. There are always new people being born of which many will be unhappy and want better lives. The driving force behind progress (technological, political, and social).

    And we all think if we'd only fix a, b, and c that we'd be happy tomorrow. But tomorrow comes and even if fixed, then we will want d, e, f. The constant struggling between people for their own better good is both behind our progress, and our discontent.

    Yep, I basically just said we are all whiny bitches at heart
    While I agree people are generally malcontents, I want more for myself and wish others did too. Without self-reflection and goal setting with action, this is nearly impossible. It's OK to be unhappy with today's state of affairs, but unless we identify the gap between where we are and where we want to be, we will never improve. That's actually EXACTLY what our third program is all about at SGR.

    good point, X.

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    The problem is if you just used Google and searched for articles on racism and Russia you'd find a lot and recent articles have indicated that racism has been a growing problem, but then admittedly most of us have not lived there.

    But I am not sure if everyone is talking about the same things. Maybe, but it is easy to confuse a key matter. There are people in the USA from all over the world of dramatically different appearances in large numbers. Where in Russia people might be thinking about who is pure Russian (some 80% of the population), and who not, there really are no pure American's here.

    Compare that with the USA:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American

    German Americans (16.8%), Irish Americans (12.1%), English Americans (9.3%), Italian Americans (5.9%), Polish Americans (3.3%), French Americans (3.2%), Scottish Americans (2%), Scotch-Irish Americans (1.8%), Dutch Americans (1.7%), Norwegian Americans (1.5%), Swedish Americans (1.4%), and Russian Americans (1%) make up 60% of the "White" population.[7] Included in the category are White Hispanics representing 8.11%,[2] mainly Mexican Americans.

    We're all from other countries.

    But since about 73% are white skinned. Those that are white skinned, regardless of background are seen more or less equal. You can be from a German, Swedish, Russian, Dutch, Italian, French.. well a long list background and for the most part be given a fair chance. That in itself is kind of unique because we don't all have a common lineage we can say is "American" going back very far in history.

    But it is the other 27%, those with non-white skin that tended to stick out in people's minds (because hey we are simple and it is easy to see). I'm simplifying a bit but in the USA nobody really cares too much where you are from if your skin is white because we are all from elsewhere. On the other hand because there is an increasingly large percentage of people who are not white, our laws are slowly evolving to make sure non-white skin people also are treated equally.

    It really is a melting pot as compared with so many other older countries , which isn't meant to diss any other country, but our statistics (in terms of backgrounds of people living together, and their large variations in appearance and lineage) is unique I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan28 View Post
    While I agree people are generally malcontents, I want more for myself and wish others did too. Without self-reflection and goal setting with action, this is nearly impossible. It's OK to be unhappy with today's state of affairs, but unless we identify the gap between where we are and where we want to be, we will never improve. That's actually EXACTLY what our third program is all about at SGR.

    good point, X.
    And just incase someone's brain hears "does that mean we shouldn't try?" the answer is NO. Trying is good. Just there is no end-game. No day we all wake up and say today is the day we are all content, because even if you and I are content, a new generation will be born with no previous expectations, look around, see what they have and want more.

    But also this very same drive is completely normal, and behind why every minority, and ever person reasonably wants a fair chance, to be treated well, an opportunity to succeed, etc. I can understand parts of our country worried about liberalism, but not about humans (who are far more similar then dissimilar) who want to be treated equally regardless of the minor innate differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    The problem is if you just used Google and searched for articles on racism and Russia you'd find a lot and recent articles have indicated that racism has been a growing problem, but then admittedly most of us have not lived there.

    But I am not sure if everyone is talking about the same things. Maybe, but it is easy to confuse a key matter. There are people in the USA from all over the world of dramatically different appearances in large numbers. Where in Russia people might be thinking about who is pure Russian (some 80% of the population), and who not, there really are no pure American's here.
    Again we run into the definition of 'Russian', and what it is to be 'pure Russian'. What would Rurik have to say about this, I wonder?

    If you consider 'Russia' to be the same as what was formerly the USSR of 20-30 years ago, you are not going to have nearly the same proportion of predominantly one race dominating the total population as in the USA (white/western European by descent). Leaving out all the many and various splintered off republics, etc.
    Certainly no where even close to 80%. The 'pure Russians' were actually a minority, albeit a minority wielding a very large proportion of the power.

    I think that here in the USA most people are uncertain as to how to view the totality of what was formerly the USSR. Many would still regard this defunct organization as still being 'Russia', I fear.

    As for 'Pure Americans', most of them were killed off a long time ago...
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