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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan28 View Post
    Ouch! Using that logic, the customer could say the entertainer is just a pair of boobs! (I'm NOT saying this)

    I tend to think there are 2 individuals who are in a setting that creates a mood where they can relax and if so inclined, get closer to eachother. If it's just the guy being a walking wallet, that reduces it to something else.

    You're just breaking it down to the bare bones and you're kind of right, but I don't think guys want to see it that way.

    I'm OK with dancers seeing dollar signs over my head in their mind, just don't let me know that's what's up!
    The customer can say that I'm just a pair of boobs. I don't care, as long as he pays me and doesn't break my rules. I'm not trying to fool myself into thinking that a wallet actually cares about me.

    We're not in a setting where two individuals can relax and if so inclined, get closer to each other. We're in a setting where one individual pays another to make it seem that way.
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    Again we run into the definition of 'Russian', and what it is to be 'pure Russian'. What would Rurik have to say about this, I wonder?
    Valid point Purity is irrelevant to many of us but for those who think it matters they can be surprisingly rigid in who they feel is part of their group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    The customer can say that I'm just a pair of boobs. I don't care, as long as he pays me and doesn't break my rules. I'm not trying to fool myself into thinking that a wallet actually cares about me.

    We're not in a setting where two individuals can relax and if so inclined, get closer to each other. We're in a setting where one individual pays another to make it seem that way.
    It's all part of the fantasy for the customer. You have no idea how many times guy friends of mine say, "Oh no, this stripper really does like me, she wants to hook up with me." He's notorious for spending money in SC's. I just roll my eyes.
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    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    You can say that again.. not just on here but men in general. Guys are so damn lame, the only way they can halfway make up for it is by opening their wallets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    It's all part of the fantasy for the customer. You have no idea how many times guy friends of mine say, "Oh no, this stripper really does like me, she wants to hook up with me." He's notorious for spending money in SC's. I just roll my eyes.
    I met a regular to the club last night whose date had to stay home with her sick kiddo and he was telling me how she was going to be his girlfriend and they made a pact that he couldnt kiss any other woman and she couldn't kiss any other guy and I was just thinking
    Yes, I'm real.

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    ^^^^^ Exactly. I can't believe how delusional guys are sometimes. Yeah buddy, she really likes you, you're just that cool!
    Quote Originally Posted by AznExtasy View Post
    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    You can say that again.. not just on here but men in general. Guys are so damn lame, the only way they can halfway make up for it is by opening their wallets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris91 View Post
    The customer can say that I'm just a pair of boobs. I don't care, as long as he pays me and doesn't break my rules. I'm not trying to fool myself into thinking that a wallet actually cares about me.

    We're not in a setting where two individuals can relax and if so inclined, get closer to each other. We're in a setting where one individual pays another to make it seem that way.



    Well said!


    We customers are pretty much walking ATM machines, and dancers are often viewed as walking, talking body parts. It's just the way it is, and the way it probably should be. Keeps things real & in perspective. Many customers don't have a problem with this concept.

    Thinking any differently (from a custies standpoint) is simply delusional, and often leads to heartbreak & empty bank accounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    We customers are pretty much walking ATM machines, and dancers are often viewed as walking, talking body parts. It's just the way it is, and the way it probably should be. Keeps things real & in perspective. Many customers don't have a problem with this concept.
    EXACTLY! It cracks me up when some newbie SC expert shows up here or on SCL warning us all that dancers are only after our money. DUH! OF COURSE THEY ARE! SIGN ME UP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Thanks for writing this. I do not pretend to be an expert on the history of Russia, I am more curious to find the truth than trying to tell it.

    Have you been to Kiev? From what I hear it was a bustling metropolis and cultural center when Moscow was a still little riverside town in the 12th and 13th centuries. I would love to go there. We have a lot of dancers from the Ukraine, as well as a few from Siberia.

    There were 3-4 from Moldova at my last club (formerly known as Bessarabia), another one of those smaller republics which have split off from the old USSR. I think I have worked with about 8-10 all told from the Moscow area, including a very charming woman from near Gorki. though that is probably a lot higher if you include some of the ones who moved on after a short time.

    It's also interesting to see how people view the term 'Russia.' these days. So much of what people referred to as Russia, or USSR, say 20-30 years back, has now splintered apart into various semi-autonomous nations, as some of the various ethnic groups seek independence. But so long as travel is freely encouraged and frequent, this would not necessarily reflect a trend towards segregation, per se.

    I am also curious as to how the Russian people view the Tsarist heritage. Sure the country was wealthy, but the division of wealth was surely one of the most imbalanced in history--the plight of the serfs being not much better than slaves from what I have read, and not much of a 'middle class'. Not that communism was the answer to that situation. What's interesting about the USA today is that despite the massive wealth of the nation, and the prosperity of the average citizen compared to say a hundred years ago, the division of wealth is also becoming increasingly unbalanced.

    We are digressing here, sorry, but this is quite interesting. Maybe we should start a thread on Russian history somewhere else! That would be fun...
    And thank you for replying!

    No,unfortunately never been to Kiev,although it's very interesting that Kiev used to be the capital city of Russia (Kievskaya Rus').You are absolutely right,the history is indeed fascinating.As far as Ukraine,I've only been to the Crimea,Feodicia,whic was last summer actually,great time and great people.Crimea used to be a part of Russia some time ago and now you have to use a travel passport between the two countries.Just to show how things can shift,very interesting.

    Perhaps some time there would be more discussions about this.And,DJozer,hopefully we can meet one day and do that too!

    Also wanted to add about the "wallet" thing....I won't deny making very many friends over the years out of customers,some of these friendships have lasted way over a decade,some even feel like family.But the fact remains the same....This is a JOB.We go in to work to sell looks and personalities,and I absolutely do not mind being considered a pair of boobs or something like that,because,indeed,that's my job.If I went into work stricltly or more for friendships etc,I won't make any money.I can socialize all I want on my days off...When you go to buy a car,for example,do you think a salesperson cares for you as a person?Or do you about him/her?All it is is a professional interaction.In the end it is all about paying bills first.Once that's done,then it's time to have fun!

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    This comment is going to hurt but here is the truth.. I'd say about 85-90% of white strippers have had black boyfriends either currently or in the past. Why I don't know. It is one of the most unusual observations I have made about white strippers. I have some psychological theories why I think this is true but I can't get into that here.

    I think some of the black strippers could back me up on this one.
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    ^^^hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnytwoshoes View Post
    This comment is going to hurt but here is the truth.. I'd say about 85-90% of white strippers have had black boyfriends either currently or in the past.
    Why would that hurt? Most women I've met both in and out of the industry have dated a black man at some point. I'm actually a rarity because I haven't but that's probably because I grew up in a mostly white area and got married very young.

    What year are you living in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnytwoshoes View Post
    This comment is going to hurt but here is the truth.. I'd say about 85-90% of white strippers have had black boyfriends either currently or in the past. Why I don't know. It is one of the most unusual observations I have made about white strippers. I have some psychological theories why I think this is true but I can't get into that here.

    I think some of the black strippers could back me up on this one.
    Why is this relevant? Do you have an issue with interracial dating? Psychological theories? Are you insinuating that someone must be deeply troubled to date outside their race?

    If you are saying it's a higher percentage than the general female population, well, that just shows that as a group we are more open-minded and less racist than the population as a whole. Yay! Go strippers! We rock!
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    The purpose of my comment is quite straightforward. Basically, I have been reading from this thread from the dancers themselves that they like to stick to their own race when questioned about it (here).

    However, I state that this is not the case. In other words, I make the claim that dancers only care about one thing and that is money. Race be damned. I support this proposition by the observation that many white dancers have dated outside their own race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnytwoshoes View Post
    The purpose of my comment is quite straightforward. Basically, I have been reading from this thread from the dancers themselves that they like to stick to their own race when questioned about it (here).

    However, I state that this is not the case. In other words, I make the claim that dancers only care about one thing and that is money. Race be damned. I support this proposition by the observation that many white dancers have dated outside their own race.
    It sounds like you are unable to distinguish between a dancers personal life and her job. I haven't seen any dancer on this thread say that she likes to stick to her own race when it comes to dating. I haven't seen any dancer bring up her personal life on this thread actually.

    We are talking about customers that we approach in the club. Yes, we only care about money when dealing with customers, not our own personal preferences. I'm not sure why you think this is breaking news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnytwoshoes View Post
    This comment is going to hurt but here is the truth.. I'd say about 85-90% of white strippers have had black boyfriends either currently or in the past. Why I don't know. It is one of the most unusual observations I have made about white strippers. I have some psychological theories why I think this is true but I can't get into that here.

    I think some of the black strippers could back me up on this one.

    This has NOTHING to do with anything. Are you freakin kidding me??
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnytwoshoes View Post
    This comment is going to hurt but here is the truth.. I'd say about 85-90% of white strippers have had black boyfriends either currently or in the past. Why I don't know. It is one of the most unusual observations I have made about white strippers. I have some psychological theories why I think this is true but I can't get into that here.

    I think some of the black strippers could back me up on this one.
    What precisely "hurts" about this as the implication is that it is shameful? There are relatively minor genetic differences between people; it just appear dramatic because those with dark skin have more melanin. Our society is trying to get over this and see it as it should be seen; a minor genetic difference of no significant matter to how we treat people. If nothing else it is one of the few good things to come out of our society over the last few decades, so it hurts why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan28 View Post

    Why are old people allowed to be racist? I know they lived through a time when it was 'acceptable', but times have changed.
    You talk about it like it is a bad thing. Maybe old people remember when they still had some individual freedom, before people became enslaved by left wing political correctness.

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    ^^^Don't YOU think racism is a bad thing?

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    ^ I think I understand what he meant... it was just a very poor way to say it.
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    dating outside your race doesn't make you not racist. in fact, in most instances, it's a form of racism in itself, if you are dating outside your race because that other race is more 'submissive' or 'exotic' or 'stereotyped characteristic'. and most people who date outside their race come to the table with skanky preconceptions.

    if having sex with other races would end racism, racism would have ended hundreds of years ago and sally hemings would have been the first black first lady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnytwoshoes View Post
    This comment is going to hurt but here is the truth.. I'd say about 85-90% of white strippers have had black boyfriends either currently or in the past. Why I don't know. It is one of the most unusual observations I have made about white strippers. I have some psychological theories why I think this is true but I can't get into that here.

    I think some of the black strippers could back me up on this one.
    what is up with you and your bizarre "observations?" Unless you are following dancers home from the club and stalking them around in their personal lives and recording your findings, I very much doubt you have any idea what dancers do in theirprivate life. How on Earth did you come up with that number?
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    Last night was very very sparse customerwise. After 4 hours of no new customers, the last customers to come in at 12:30 were a black couple. I was scared to go up to them because they were obviously a couple and they were black, so I figured they probably were in to black people. Of course, being desperate, and with the knowledge that there were only caucasian dancers working, I tried to chat up the lady. Well, that failed... They didn't get any dances at all, so I think they might have been into black people after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donovan28 View Post
    I understand there are specifically 'black' clubs, but no specifically white ones, which is discriminatory on its face.
    Name one. I have been in clubs where I have been the only Eueropiean. I have never had a problem; in fact the dancers give me as much if not more bang for the buck as any other customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goreantx View Post
    I don't think it's racism to be sexually attracted to a certain body type, skin tone, or other racially defined feature.
    I like them young, slim and pretty; that is all.

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