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    If anybody smokes these, better stock up. They will become illegal in 2 weeks.
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    Nationwide??? Or just in WV?

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    Oh Jeez! I used to smoke Cloves occassionaly. Why are they becoming illegal? It's not like cloves would appeal to kids or anything. They aren't freakin candy flavored.
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    Nationwide. Google it, it part of the tobacco settlement. Menthol will still be sold, but any other flavors will be gone.
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    What? Like vanilla flavored cigarettes? I used to smoke those. I quit several years ago but that's just bizarre to me. Are they trying to say that they're marketed to children or something? Because they're not, that ridiculous.

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    Why are menthol cigarettes not included? I don't go in for the whole conspiracy theory bull crap but I think it's odd that the only flavor allowed happens to be the one the president prefers...

    Why would a smoker sign this? What a hypocrite.

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    They already did that in NY. But Blacks (plain clove cigarettes) weren't banned--just any flavored cloves. And most clove cigarettes are flavored.

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    Their is a conspiracy theory but not because the president smokes menthol. Big tobacco only markets menthol, all other flavors are generally small, import company's. Big US tobacco company's support the ban generally.

    Ban is aimed at marketing to kids thought.
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    It's hard to imagine that the import business of flavored cigs is so significant that the big manufacturers of cigs feel threatened. I suppose there could be some kind of patent (yes patents can be so silly) preventing it, but it's not like they don't know how to flavor cigs if the market really wants large volumes of Wild Passion Almond Chocolate cigs.

    It is not so hard to imagine that we've all agreed that people in our society are essentially morons who have learned to tie their shoes, tell time, learn repetitive tasks, etc., and take on absolutely no personal responsibility for anything anymore. That yes, despite all information telling people cigarettes cause health problems that they are going to do so anyway, and that there really are lawyers who can't wait to bank on the following "My client was enticed to smoke! They added flavors and he utterly lost his ability to choose when faced with endless information telling him smoking is unhealthy, or the Wild Passion Almond Chocolate flavor."

    I'm not a big believer in conspiracy theories. I am a big believer that people have become incredibly selective about personal responsibility, blaming the media or society when they don't like their choices, claiming personal responsibility when they do. I do think the practice of law has become far too profitable, so instead of the laws being by us, for us, they have become a way to earn jackpots for lawyers, which has lead to corruption of the system. I see a big future law suit in the making. And I think yes, really there are people growing up who would say that their choice to smoke (later in life when they are sick) was due to the flavoring. Sad to say it.
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    Great. Right when I try (and like) the hookah...

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    It would appear the ban is on cigarettes not tobacco. Some states and cities exempt tobacco specialty shops (usually cigar lounges, so fat, old white men can still smoke ) from local smoking bans so your hookah lounges may survive.

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    I'm a great believer in free markets, and I wish free market and open disclosure could allow people to make an informed choice to smoke if they wished it. If that worked, let them flavor tobacco however we people want it (assuming the flavoring doesn't cause additional health problems). I use to smoke. I get the appeal. The problem is that smoking is insidious.

    The negative effects take years, sometimes decades to really catch up with people, by which time the bravado of our youth (when we often choose to smoke) has been forgotten, and all that we people are aware of is the here and now when we are sick. At that point it often becomes a public problem, and secondarily an opportunity for lawyers to cash in big on an industry that already has a very bad reputation in the minds of the public. And the problem is when later comes, if someone says they can gain you a large settlement because it is not really your fault, they tricked you into smoking, well human nature is most of us won't say no to that. It's a cycle that should be ended. We don't need cigs to survive. If they can't be used without this cycle of people getting ill, lawyers cashing in, public health care carrying the bill for many, then it isn't working and should be stopped.


    It is a bit strange though that the alcohol industry has gotten away with much the same, selling a drug, that we don't really need, but use for entertainment, that some end up addicted too. It's an industry that is all about flavoring and packaging, yet it must be that we see a difference. Maybe because many people do drink responsibly their whole lives while nearly everyone who smokes is addicted in a few months, and needs multiple cigs a day to feel okay.
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    Xdamage, its not that easy to bring suit against tobacco companies. My father died from lung cancer 10 years ago at the age of 55. He was a smoker since thirteen and lung cancer or cancer for that matter doesnt run on his side of the familly. I could not find a lawyer in chicago or florida( since he resided in both places) who would take on the case. It costs way too much to take on big tobacco and most law firms arent doing so anymore. Also theres warning labels on every pack and there wasnt when alot of our parents, grandparents smoked.

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    ^^^
    Ok, I have to say it. Do you really believe that a tobacco company is personally responsible for your father's death or were you just looking for a payout?

    Your father could have quit smoking when he figured out that it wasn't good for him. People quit all the time, I'm one of them. I'm assuming that you believe that all cigarettes should be banned as illegal substances because otherwise you're just a raging hypocrite.

    People really need to be held responsible for their own actions. After a couple years of smoking, most people start to feel some adverse health effects, I know that firsthand. A person who continues to smoke in spite of that is making a decision about their own health which they should be allowed to do. If we ban cigarettes to protect people from their own choices, then what's next? Do we then ban twinkies, because you know, twinkies are not good for you in any way. Neither are french fries or soda so let's take away people's freedom to choose to eat those foods.

    Do you really not recognize the slippery slope of holding businesses responsible for an individual making a poor personal lifestyle choice? Or do you just not give a shit as long as you make a profit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michele11 View Post
    Xdamage, its not that easy to bring suit against tobacco companies. My father died from lung cancer 10 years ago at the age of 55. He was a smoker since thirteen and lung cancer or cancer for that matter doesnt run on his side of the familly. I could not find a lawyer in chicago or florida( since he resided in both places) who would take on the case. It costs way too much to take on big tobacco and most law firms arent doing so anymore. Also theres warning labels on every pack and there wasnt when alot of our parents, grandparents smoked.
    I'm sorry about your father, I really am. I'm an ex smoker. I started to feel the health effects on me and it was hard to quit. I hate to say it, and nothing against your father, but I am happy if people are not able to sue the tobacco companies as much anymore. If we are going to sue them then we should shut them down, take the profits, and distribute among all the people who use the products, not just a few who manage to win lawsuits. As terrible as it sounds, I see it as a positive trend if it is becoming harder. The information about smoking is pretty clear now. People really shouldn't start and if they do, carry the cost of their health problems later, or we need to take it off the market.
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    I used to smoke as well. I started at 16. But I didn't start smoking some cool flavored cigarettes, the ones that are evidently marketed towards kids. I started smoking Marlboro Red 100's. I don't know how much further from fun, yummy cigarettes you can get. I do understand how, theoretically, if some 3-year-old sees a pack of Chocolate Cherry cigarettes sitting on a coffee table and (provided they know how to read, which isn't a stretch, cause I was reading at 3) thinks, "Oooh, yum!" Then sticks one of the cigarettes in their mouth and chews. I don't think the tobacco company had some whole campaign designed to make that happen. I think that's just kids being curious, and parents being negligent.

    Now, I absolutely believe that the tobacco companies know full well how addictive and deadly their products are, and they don't care, because the more addictive they are, the more people will buy, and the more money they make. I don't think that constitutes conspiracy. Immoral business practices, perhaps. Greed, of course. And I'm sure I don't know how those executives sleep at night (probably on a bed of money). But frankly, any business that's in the market to sell is going to have ad campaigns and slogans designed to get into people's heads and disrupt their judgement and make them buy. Not just tobacco. Any company. It's just business.

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    To be fair to michelle, it was 1965 when a law was passed requiring that packs of cigs be marked with a warning. A man who died at 65 could have started before age 22, before the labels, and had become addicted before the warning labels started. Quitting was also harder for people during a era when it was less clear one should quit, before readily available over the counter aids. As the years of smoking add up, so does the difficult of quitting.

    However I started well after there were warning labels, as many people have and do. The warning labels didn't stop me from smoking. I did eventually quit, but admittedly it was easier for me to quit because I smoked over 10 years, and used the quit smoking aids.

    It is unclear that if you tell any 16-18 year old "hey, these give you a mild good feeling, but they are addictive, and they almost assuredly will harm you if you smoke long enough" that it will stop everyone from smoking. It does help, but it doesn't stop everyone. There is just no way to know who before 1965 would have never started if the packs were labeled, but we know from human behavior today that it is not everyone.

    Again though if we truly believe this product has no value, is nothing but harmful, then we should take it off the market, make the profits available fairly to everyone who is effected by smoking. We would surely take "Rat Poison Sticks" off the market. Even if rat poision sticks offerered people safe highs if used in moderation, people would get sick fast enough that they'd connect the dot between their choice to use the sticks and the health effects. Smoking is insidious though as the negative effects creep up on people only very slowly, while the addiction grows more ingrained in their day to day life. For a mild positive effect, the cost is substantial. Food we need to survive, nicotine and tobacco we don't. But yes it is slippery as we don't need twinkies or most other junk fook; they can be psychologically addictive and result in some dramatic negative effects. A warning label "Can contribute to obesity if used excessively" probably wouldn't stop people from over eating. So it is a messy gray matter. But Somewhere on a scale between Rat Poison Sticks and Health Food, cigarettes probably fall closer to the rat poison stick side of the scale.
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    I could give to shits if ciggarettes are banned! What I was stating is its noit easy to sue tobacco companies. As somone who lost a father 30 years to early, yes it was his choice to smoke but back then noone really knew the consiquences. You are probably in your twenties so if you chose to smoke and suffer the effects thats your choice people who started back in the 40s and 50s didnt know what we know know that cigarettes kill millions of people yearly.So your comparing apples to oranges. You as a young women know ciggarettes cause disseases and chose to smoke . For my father it wouldnt have mattered the damage was done by the time the facts were known. Funny thing is my fiancees father and my daughters father all died the same age of lung cancer, only thing is they both quit like 15 years prior. So it doesnt always matter, the damage is done. Oh and I am not a ft ass I am 5 feet 5 112 and can eat all the twinkies I want and if I got sick or fat from eating crappy I wouldnt balme it on the junk food it doesnt have nicotine in it. Again apples to oranges.

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    Xdamage I think I read somewere that cigarettes infact do have rat poison in them as well as hundreds of other known carcinogens. I am thankful that yes I have smoked on and off but Ive never been addidted. Same goes for alcohol, sweets ect. I just dont have an addicitive personality, the more I smoked the less I wanted them, they groser they tasted. Though I dont throw stones at others who have addictive personalites since addiction runs in my family. I also cant say I dont love working in smoke free clubs now that I think about it though none in my area are, its nice not to actually make the choice my self tomsuffer from someone elses addiction.

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    Wow I used to love clove cigarettes! In fact they got me started smoking again literally half a dozen times at least. I'd have quit for several months, then someone would have clove cigarettes in a club I was in, I'd say 'hey they aren't like real cigarettes, I can just have one' and boom, right back to it. Well it would take a few days of smoking a few cloves, then more cloves as I would have to buy a pack, then I'd feel the urge (they ARE TOO JUST like real cigarettes) and buy regular cigarettes.

    It's been 3 1/2 years now since I quit smoking the last time, and though I have taken the occasional tiny little puff from a clove, I know better than to do more than that.

    But so what? They shouldn't be anymore illegal than regular cigarettes or fucking cigars. The only reason they are illegal and cigarettes and cigars aren't is that they are ore or less a 'counterculture' item. If rich men in the various representative bodies smoked cloves instead of cigars and cigarettes, no way would they be illegal.

    Regular cigarettes have so much extra, deadly shit put into them, it's disgusting. Even the low-tar, low-nicotene cigarettes are much worse for you than hand rolled tobacco cigarettes, unless you chain smoke the fucking things. I found hand rolling was actually a great way to gradually cut down and quit!
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    I smoke these and a few days ago I bought the last couple packs the store had. Its amazing how they can just cut out a certain type of cig. I bet they still keep black n milds around. Its even getting to the point where bars and restaurants ban these even though I can still purchase them, they say its to similar to a cigar. Give me a break, now I'm gonna go smoke one.

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    Black and Milds, and most of the little popular cigars or cigarellos or whatever they call them, are nothing like the big, fat, nasty, horrible things everyone thinks it's so cool to light up in a busy club.

    I always turn the fan in the booth right on them if they do it anywhere near the booth.

    Cigarettes or smoke from little cigars, I don't care about. I discourage people smoking in the booth as I don't like it stinking up my clothes, but it's not a big deal. If someone brings a clove in the booth, I will sometimes 'tax' them by taking a tiny quick puff.
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    I smoke those big fat delicious cigars.
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    Well just do it on the other side of the club from my booth when you come in, OK?

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