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    Although I'm sure no one here judges custies without really getting to know them and avoiding all stereotypes, just hypothetically . . .

    What does a custy's drink choice/habits mean to you?
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    I don't judge them so much on what they drink as how well they tip the bartender/waitress. If I find out a table of guys is tipping really well, I will send dancers their way. Similarly, if a guy asks for weird music or something I have to spend a lot of time looking up or downloading, I will go see how well they are tipping before I lift a finger.
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    ^ The girls don't pick the songs?
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    For the most part, yeah--but there's a lot of them that are flexible about it--and the smart ones will dance to what the really good tippers want to hear!

    On any given night, if you have 30-60 dancers, you're going to have someone who will dance to almost anything the customers want to hear. You just tell the customer he has to wait until the right dancer come up.
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    I've never once judged a customer based on what he was drinking.
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    ^ Then what do you use to help you sort out a room full of potential customers or potential time-wasters?
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    ^^^Is it common for girls to pick out thier next custy based on his drink? (lol) This seems odd to me, but then again I work in a club with no alchohol. But really, how could that help determine anything?!

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    ^ I was just curious. Some girls look at the watch, some at the shoes, some at whatever. A $100 bottle of something at least means some money, yeah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shy_Guy View Post
    ^ Then what do you use to help you sort out a room full of potential customers or potential time-wasters?
    Not to be repetitive, but the smart dancers will usually avoid the guys who aren't tipping anyone at all. The smartest ones will try to go up to the rail with the guy, or at least ask for a dollar to tip the one onstage which looks good. If the guy acts like thats a really dumb idea, it's usually a dumb idea to hang around him.
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    ^ Especially on a busy night, it's hard to really scope out someone's tipping patterns. One girl I know handles the room by zone defense. She starts in the same corner every time. It's like she has a pac-man pattern. If you know the pattern, you can be assured the nest dance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shy_Guy View Post
    ^ Then what do you use to help you sort out a room full of potential customers or potential time-wasters?
    You think that that has something to do with what they're drinking? I work in a bar with alcohol. Many of my regs are boyscouts. If I hadn't talked to them based on the fact that they only drank soda I'd be out a lot of money right now.

    It is quite easy to read whether or not a custie is gonna spend based on the first 10secs of conversation or his attitude altogether. Drinks are irrelevant.
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    She's right, Shy_Guy.

    Though for an experiment it would be fun to get some dry ice and put it in a glass and see what the reaction is! That's the stuff they use for the 'mad scientist' effect in the movies, with the smoke bubbling from the drink.

    We used to put dry ice in the punch bowl every halloween at one party house I lived in. By the end of the night I would invariably have a bit in my glass as well. It's perfectly harmless, just adds a bit of carbonization to the drink. Just don't swallow the chunk of dry ice...
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    I think (and research shows) we all make snap judgments based on everything we take in. Body language, hair style, even the color of clothes someone is wearing. Most of these judgments are subconscious. I just used drink choice as an example. I do know some girls DO have pet theories about drink choices. But this was intended to drift beyond just drink choice to have people think about what little cues they pick up on in order to decide whether to approach Custy A or Custy B.

    I'm wondering about BEFORE you approach for conversation. Of course that is the best thing, but it is also the most time-consuming.

    Again, this is just curiosity. What are the little cues some of you girls use to make your hit list? I know not every girl has their pet theories, but some do. I'm curious to hear from those that do.

    BTW, soda water is a drink choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shy_Guy View Post
    BTW, soda water is a drink choice.
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    As long as they aren't asking for free ice water and not even tipping the bartender I could care less what they are drinking. I will admit to being more partial to guys who are well-dressed than someone looking sloppy. Middleaged businessmen were always my bread and butter.
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    Do this experiment your next shift. Scan the room and make your mental list of top prospects. Then stop and think. Why are these your top prospects? What cues did you use? A lot of times we make decisions without understanding why. We subconsciously make connections with past experiences. I'm curious what it would look like to pick apart dancers' sifting process.

    Again, I have no point. I'm not looking for a grand unification theory. Just interested in people's individual stories, experiences and thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shy_Guy View Post
    Do this experiment your next shift. Scan the room and make your mental list of top prospects. Then stop and think. Why are these your top prospects? What cues did you use? A lot of times we make decisions without understanding why. We subconsciously make connections with past experiences. I'm curious what it would look like to pick apart dancers' sifting process.

    Again, I have no point. I'm not looking for a grand unification theory. Just interested in people's individual stories, experiences and thoughts.
    Why? Seriously, I don't have indicators that I judge ppl from. I talk to everyone. Some of my best tipping customers are not the ppl you would expect to spend a lot of money and they come and drops 100's. I have no idea why you're so intent on forcing ppl to judge other ppl. All money is green and I will take it from everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shy_Guy View Post
    Do this experiment your next shift. Scan the room and make your mental list of top prospects. Then stop and think. Why are these your top prospects? What cues did you use? A lot of times we make decisions without understanding why. We subconsciously make connections with past experiences. I'm curious what it would look like to pick apart dancers' sifting process.

    Again, I have no point. I'm not looking for a grand unification theory. Just interested in people's individual stories, experiences and thoughts.
    I work at a club that tends to be more of a bar than a strip club. We don't have waitresses or anything like that; they just order from the bar, and if they tip the bartender, it's a pretty quick process.

    Stopping and thinking about why I'm going to approach the people I'm about to approach is a huge time waster. Especially on a weekend. I usually need to keep up my pace and try to approach everyone. If there's anything I pay attention to, it's body language. If I'm giving a table dance to one guy and notice another guy watching me while I do it, I'll approach that guy next. I tend to approach people who are alone before I approach groups, and I tend to approach guys closer to the stage before I approach guys at the bar. But this isn't a stop-and-think-about-it process. This is just the way I work.

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    I think I get your curiosity, and what you are asking, but it might well be counterproductive in many cases for them to stop and (over)analyze why they are picking certain guys etc. Better for most, I suspect, that they just get into a money-making groove and ride with it.

    Now I am curious if you (OP) drink soda water, lol.
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    ^^Yep! Plus I notice who is looking at me. That is a big decider on who I'm going to approach if it's too crowded to get to everyone. When it's not that crowded, EVERY guy there is gonna get a visit.

    If they have a wallet, I have time to say Hi.
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    I have no idea why you're so intent on forcing ppl to judge other ppl.
    I'm not asking you to do anything of the sort. I'm curious about the judgments (maybe pre-qualifications is a better term?) you already make. Maybe you approach everybody with absolutely no preconceived ideas about them, but that is the anomaly amid the psychological research. The rest of us make hundreds of assumptions about people based on the smallest, seemingly insignificant, details.

    In a profession where time really is money, some sort of sorting has to be done. If it is slow, then yeah, you can talk to everybody for a few minutes, but even then you have to decide who is first.

    Seriously, though, this is borne out of nothing more than curiosity.
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    I will admit, I have qualifiers (maybe that isn't the right term?) and sometimes what they are drinking is one of them. It definitely was in LV, in Austin not so much. I do "sort" through the crowd first though before I develop a game plan.

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    Care to share what some of these are? Let's not get hung up on the term used for the process, "qualifiers" is as good as any.
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    I don't really drink, so it doesn't mean much to me. However, I do know some club owners who have implemented drink minimums so dancers can "pre-judge" the customers based on what they are drinks... i.e. expensive or cheap to gauge how much potential money the dancer can make from the customer.
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    ^^^ I wonder if drink choices are really a good indicator or not? While I enjoy quality vodka at home or at the bar, I always just order the cheap bar vodka in the club as it allows me to provide a bigger tip to the waitress.

    Actually, most times I'll just order bottled water as it's healthier for me, I don't have to worry about driving home drunk and I don't have to worry about bad alcohol breath. And I'll still shell out the same $ amount (including tip) I would have if I was ordering booze.

    I would think one's tipping habits for drinks is more important than what is ordered?

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