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    I have been going to SCs for many years in the South. Never seen a cop in a SC though I have heard about them. In this area, the girls refer to them as some strange division of law enforcement.

    Anyway, I was wondering if some of the girls could share any law enforcement stories in the US.

    I think getting busted for the obvious is not my question. I am curious about LDs and getting busted for those types of things, lewdness, etc.

    Does it happen?

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    Yes it happens and that "strange division of law enforcement" is called vice.

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    Maybe you're thinking of people from the liquor control commissions?
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    I've been working a couple of times when the cops came in for the semi-regular sheriff's card checks. Other than that, I was a customer in a club that got raiding by the FBI (I worked there sometimes, but was off the clock visiting a friend at the time this happened). The complete and total waste of taxpayer dollars that I witnessed in that one about sent me over the edge.

    I always recommend everyone knows the laws in the area in which they work. Law enforcement involvement is probably a rarity in most cases, but you should always be prepared just in case. Know your rights because most LEO's involved in SC busts will do their best to push every envelope they can. It's up to you to make sure they can't/don't get TOO far.

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    Here in NC they are called ALE (Alcohol Law Enforcement); and they are in pretty often; at least once every two months or so. Undercover, most of the time.

    And yes, it does happen...I've been lucky enough to not get busted for more than a slight drinking infraction in all my years of dancing; but i have heard of and seen girls get busted for touching and grinding when ALE wants to really crack down. Technically here in this area we are supposed to stay (I believe) 12 inches away from them at all times (it could be six).

    A club locally got raided two or three nights ago; girls breathalized. Dunno the outcome of this yet.
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    In NY it's the SLA (state liquor authority)
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    In RI, the cops are de facto bouncers on the weekend at the bigger busier clubs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovetobenaked View Post
    Yes it happens and that "strange division of law enforcement" is called vice.
    Yup. My best friend got a ticket because her boob touched a guy from vice while she gave him a lapdance.

    LV vice are the worst. When I worked in Atlanta, they were hardly ever in at all, and it was mostly at the smaller clubs looking for illegal girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lildreamer316 View Post
    Here in NC they are called ALE (Alcohol Law Enforcement); and they are in pretty often; at least once every two months or so. Undercover, most of the time.
    Do these ALE folks bother patrons as well? Also, this is going to sound dumb but can you tell a law enforcement type when they come in. I would think they would come in twos or threes and sit in strategic positions?

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    In Texas, the most likely LE is TABC (Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission). They are mostly concerned with underage drinkers, both dancers and patrons.

    Dallas Vice are always around undercover. I have been at a club during a raid and it's really freaky. It was like a scene from a movie. Some of the vice guys are wearing ski masks and pointing at girls, quickly moving through the club as girls scatter to the back rooms. Some clubs mysteriously never get raided...(under the table deal maybe?)

    What happened afterward is they got management to pull all of the 'suspects' paperwork and took Polaroids of them. Then they said they were going to be sending citations in the mail.

    Later I heard a bunch of them got a $75-$125 fine and a notice to appear in court for public lewdness (C misdemeanor). I also heard through another grapevine that a manager who had gotten in trouble for something else with the cops "gave up" some of his dancers in order to lighten his punishment for other offenses.

    It's REALLY important to know your local laws...keep in mind there are state statutes as well as your local city government. It is the club's responsibility to tell you about these laws, yet many clubs only gloss over them because they don't want to affect their alcohol sales.

    The club will just say 'We told them' and you're the one who will have a record, so learn 'em and live 'em if you want to have any longevity in the industry. Some city councils and mayors have it in for gentlemen's clubs anyway. They are always looking for a reason to shut them down. Know what you're up against.

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    shits retarded. I wish they would go after the girls who suck and fuck in the private rooms instead of going for the girls who do light contact dances but are otherwise clean. I feel like if the cops focused on getting the really dirty girls, the clubs would be a lot cleaner, and management would push less hard to move everything into the private areas.
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    If I'm not mistaken, in Dallas, vice CAN'T go into the VIP areas. I worked during a raid, and was in VIP and never knew it happened.
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    shits retarded. I wish they would go after the girls who suck and fuck in the private rooms instead of going for the girls who do light contact dances but are otherwise clean. I feel like if the cops focused on getting the really dirty girls, the clubs would be a lot cleaner, and management would push less hard to move everything into the private areas.
    They're not really interested. It's all political. If they look like they're doing something that's good enough.
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    Yea I know and it's unfortunate. . shit like that Makes me want to be a recluse in the wood sometimes lol.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Read what's been going on in Seattle. The cops sure are having a lot of fun on the taxpayer dollar.

    In these parts it's Vice that comes out to strip clubs. They admittedly go so far as to grope the girls so they don't blow their cover.




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    Read what's been going on in Seattle. The cops sure are having a lot of fun on the taxpayer dollar.

    In these parts it's Vice that comes out to strip clubs. They admittedly go so far as to grope the girls so they don't blow their cover.

    That is horrible. Groping the girls is basically sexual assault. I am glad that cops can now sexually assault us in the name of enforcing the law. God bless the good ol US of A.

    isnt seattle now with the 6 foot rule?
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    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Dose anyone know of a good online source to look up the laws? I have heard so many things from so many differnt sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletRose View Post
    Dose anyone know of a good online source to look up the laws? I have heard so many things from so many differnt sources.
    That would be difficult as every state and even town may have a different law. In New Jersey the towns set the closing times but the ABC sets the laws for clubs in general that serve alcohol. The BYO clubs would be covered by regular state law.

    Not ever a lawyer could know every law in every town it is way too complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletRose View Post
    Dose anyone know of a good online source to look up the laws? I have heard so many things from so many differnt sources.
    What state are you in?
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    I wish they would go after the girls who suck and fuck in the private rooms instead of going for the girls who do light contact dances but are otherwise clean. I feel like if the cops focused on getting the really dirty girls, the clubs would be a lot cleaner, and management would push less hard to move everything into the private areas
    Unfortunately, here's the ironic truth in this regard. Local cops / DA's / judges would MUCH prefer to hand out misdemeanor charges to 'clean' dancers than bust 'dirty' dancers for acts of prostitution. The reason is simple if you look at this from the flip side.

    If the cops charge a 'clean' dancer with no previous record, between plea bargains cooked up by the DA and the club's attorney and automatic record expungement, the odds heavily favor the 'clean' dancers copping the plea, paying the fine, going back to work, and having their record expunged a year later (providing they don't violate probation or receive a second charge). This means maximum 'income' ( i.e. the fine money ) with minimum expense ( preparing a court case, holding a trial etc. ) and zero risk of loss ( i.e. investing time and money into preparing a case, going to trial, and THEN having the dancer found innocent) for the local gov't. It also means zero risk for the DA or local cops of having their enforcement procedures 'scrutinized' by a (higher) court or by local media.

    But if the cops charge a 'dirty' dancer, instead of an 'easy' deal with the club's attorney, odds are that the 'dirty' dancer will retain her own independent attorney. The independent attorney will probably force the DA to go to trial or drop the charges, versus a club's attorney attempting to sell a 'plea bargain' to the dancer (after all the club's attorney really has the clubowner as a client !!!). Actually going to trial means that the cops' evidence will be looked at, that the cops' enforcement techniques will be questioned, and in the case of an appeal being filed that the local judge and DA will also be looked at. This involves a whole lot of potential downside for the local cops, DA and judges as well as a whole lot of extra work !!! Of course the 'dirty' dancer will wind up spending just as much in independent attorney's fees (if not significantly more) as the 'clean' dancer would have spent on the fine, but in the end the 'dirty' dancer will probably come out without a mark on her permanent record whereas the 'clean' dancer will ( for a year at least).

    From a 'publicity' point of view during an election year, the charges alone are usually sufficient for the purposes of politicians / DA's / sherriffs running for re-election. And from a 'performance' point of view, the DA and cops get to count plea bargains as if they were actual convictions, which improves their 'batting average'. So again the incentive is to avoid the risk of having to go to trial and simply bust 'clean' dancers who probably will accept plea bargains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Unfortunately, here's the ironic truth in this regard. Local cops / DA's / judges would MUCH prefer to hand out misdemeanor charges to 'clean' dancers than bust 'dirty' dancers for acts of prostitution. The reason is simple if you look at this from the flip side.

    If the cops charge a 'clean' dancer with no previous record, between plea bargains cooked up by the DA and the club's attorney and automatic record expungement, the odds heavily favor the 'clean' dancers copping the plea, paying the fine, going back to work, and having their record expunged a year later (providing they don't violate probation or receive a second charge). This means maximum 'income' ( i.e. the fine money ) with minimum expense ( preparing a court case, holding a trial etc. ) and zero risk of loss ( i.e. investing time and money into preparing a case, going to trial, and THEN having the dancer found innocent) for the local gov't., with zero risk for the DA or local cops of having their enforcement procedures 'scrutinized' by a (higher) court.

    But if the cops charge a 'dirty' dancer, instead of an 'easy' deal with the club's attorney odds are that the 'dirty' dancer will retain her own independent attorney. The independent attorney will probably force the DA to go to trial or drop the charges, versus a club's attorney attempting to sell a 'plea bargain' to the dancer (after all the club's attorney really has the clubowner as a client !!!). Actually going to trial means that the cops' evidence will be looked at, that the cops' enforcement techniques will be questioned, and in the case of an appeal being filed that the local judge and DA will also be looked at. This involves a whole lot of potential downside for the local cops, DA and judges as well as a lot of extra work !!! Of course the 'dirty' dancer will wind up spending just as much in independent attorney's fees (if not significantly more) as the 'clean' dancer would have spent on the fine, but in the end she will probably come out without a mark on her permanent record.

    From a 'publicity' point of view during an election year, the charges alone are usually sufficient for the purposes of politicians / DA's / sherriffs running for re-election. And from a 'performance' point of view, the DA and cops get to count plea bargains as if they were actual convictions, which improves their 'batting average'.


    records automatically get expunged after a year? I know that a federal law was passed a few yrs back saying you could get your record expunged after 2 yrs after punishment of a non violent crime ended (including felonies), but it involved a headache of a process. Does it automatically go away after a misdemeanor?

    Also, as far as plea bargains and getting busted if you are a clean dancer... what kind of pleas would they offer you? I am asking this because the people enforcing the no contact law in ohio are being switched from the local police (who dont give a fuck where i work) to the liquor control commission (who will make everyones life suck)... appeal pending. I am really worried that I will give a contact dance in the private rooms and end up with all sorts of horrible stuff on my record. So you are saying stuff like that would be expunged? And would a plea bargain show up as some sort of misdeanor prostitution like charge (which DO NOT WANT... not anything that would have some sort of prostitution related wording) or a lewdness type of charge? Also, would getting busted doing a contact dance in a no contact area make you a 'sex offender'? I know all sorts of silly crimes (i.e. pissing in public) can cause someone to end up on those databases, and i dont feel like being ostracized from society because of a misdemeanor charge while dancing. And since things are switching soon I am super worried... I am actually considering taking 3 months away from dancing till I leave ohio and go somewhere where I dont have to freak out about being busted for touching a guys shoulder during a dance.

    Any answers on this would be much appreciated. This has been high up in my thoughts lately.

    Thanks for the post... it was interesting... I never thought of it that way.
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    records automatically get expunged after a year? I know that a federal law was passed a few yrs back saying you could get your record expunged after 2 yrs after punishment of a non violent crime ended (including felonies), but it involved a headache of a process. Does it automatically go away after a misdemeanor?
    Actually this depends on the laws of the particular state where the bust occurs. But in general, if the busted dancer has no prior record, and the single charge falls under some non-violent / non drug related / non sex crime misdemeanor heading, it's either automatic or a simple court filing to have the charge expunged after a year ( or two ).

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    How do you know what the rules are? Are they usually posted in the club? Does anyone know what the laws are for New Orleans?

    This is the only info I can find and its not exactly specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Unfortunately, here's the ironic truth in this regard. Local cops / DA's / judges would MUCH prefer to hand out misdemeanor charges to 'clean' dancers than bust 'dirty' dancers for acts of prostitution. The reason is simple if you look at this from the flip side.
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