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    Default Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    The republican party began it's assault on sexually oriented businesses last weekend.

    The Republican Party held it’s annual Values Voters Summit. Mostly, the Values Voters attendees discussed items you would expect from just such a group—god, guns and gays.

    But this time there was a talk by Tom Coburn’s (R-OK) Chief of Staff, Michael Swartz, whose main point was that “Porn makes you gay”.

    I blogged about this already, and you can read the whole thing by clicking the link in my sig. I feel this is important, as we will be coming under attack from the republican party in the near future. Everyone in this business needs to be ready and protect yourselves from LE events in your club.

    Lawyer up? Maybe.


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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    New York mayor Rudy Giuliani tried to crackdown on gentlemen clubs in nyc to. I dont think they can do anything except for what he did with zoning laws turning clubs to 60/40 etc. etc.

    It sucks some of the hottest guys i met or dated are republicans but really never had a issue when i told them i was a dancer.

    I guess these republicans do

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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    One thing i wish our industry would do is get rid of the extras/special girls/escorts from our business. They gives us real exotic dancers a bad rep that cause this type of stuff to be pushed upon by politicians!

    Likewise with the poison pushers that work in the club like the pimp hosts the club owners aswell, That are aware of this going on and are a part of it in the club should be fined cleaned up if they keep doing it after getting cleaned up or fined should be then closed down, This ruined our industry thats why we get a negative look upon us because of the bad apples i miss the good ole days.

    Back when i started dancing you had a couple special girls/some drugs now today its all rampant in our industry from new york and nation wide.

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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    There's an interesting thread in Industry Insight about changes to Massachusetts strip venues

    http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=135572

    There is a possibility that dancers will become de facto employees of the clubs - meaning that the clubs will have to pay unemployment insurance premiums, disability insurance premiums, etc for the dancers on their books. This may affect the current model of putting as many dancers on a shift as clubs can get away with to maximize shift fees.

    Instead, it may incentivize clubs to put fewer dancers on a shift and make sure they walk out with decent earnings - thus minimizing the club's own tax liabilities. If this is the case, this may reduce the number of extras and escort girls in the clubs - after all, if individual dancers can earn better money, some of the pressure to do extras, etc goes.

    So better average earnings for dancers may have the effect of cleaning up the clubs. However, there will always be a market for 'commercial sex', so I suspect that will just move outside the clubs - taking the customers that currently come into SC's seeking it outside with it.

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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
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    The Republican Party held it’s annual Values Voters Summit. ... Tom Coburn’s (R-OK) Chief of Staff, Michael Swartz, whose main point was that “Porn makes you gay”...
    If porn makes you gay, I must be really gay... Maybe I can get a doctor to prescribe ‘lap-dance therapy’ to make me well again! Wonder what insurance category that is under…

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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    Aren't the conservatives the ones that keep strip clubs in business?

    Let's see here:

    Arizona. Check.
    Georgia. Check.
    Florida. Check.
    North Carolina. Check.
    Texas. Check.
    NEVADA. Check.

    These are all RED STATES that have a plethora of titty bars.

    The libs are no better in Washington because they want to save all the victims from the evil sex-lords that pimp us against our will.
    Last edited by Stripper Hacks; 09-26-2009 at 12:04 AM.




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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    Well unless stripclubs start taking down political affiliations at the door along with the cover charge, we don't really know if it's the 'libs', or the right-wingers lying to their wives and church buddies about all those nights out, who are supporting the business.

    Having recently come from a Florida town (Daytona) that has had it's stripping business stomped pretty thoroughly by conservatives, backed finally by a US Supreme Court dominated by Republicans--declaring that they have the right to make dancers wear granny panties and pasties covering most of those extremely subversive breasts, I can tell you that it's not the 'libs' you have to worry about.

    Orlando, another Florida city with a formerly booming stripping industry, squashed flat by religious right-wingers about a dozen years ago. Now they drive as far as Key West to try to make the money they could have made if it weren't for the fucking bible-beaters.

    To be sure, there are some 'libs' who might oppose stripclubs, but I believe the right-wing Christian Family Values police are much more dangerous, and I have seen it happen in two cities so far.

    But the safe bet is to find out which candidates in your area support sexual freedom, and vote for them whatever party they might be. Ask any Republican or any Democrat running for office what they think about it.
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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    its a shame that we have to worry about attacks from both sides.

    On one hand, republicans have been against porn for quite some time. Larry Flynt has had his fun (and came out ahead) with the republican party. There have been several attacks on the adult industry and will continue to be several attacks in the future, and we still exist after all of them.

    On the other hand, there does seem to be a trend of pushing and enforcing more ridiculous laws in the industry. It seems that more and more places (legally) now require booty shorts instead of thongs, air dances, and no touching of ones own body parts (I still have no idea how it is consitutional to tell me i am not allowed to touch my own tit). And the party is desperate...

    all we can do is hope nobody will take them too seriously. I mean having an arguement that porn is always homosexual broadcasted on the daily show is doing them no service for sure .
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    I'll make a great simplification. Most people don't or shouldn't care about the Strip Clubs unless it has an impact on them. For the most part that includes:

    o People who don't want them near their property for fear it will lower their property value.

    o Politicians hoping to win votes by appealing to the next group.

    o Do-gooders who honestly feel it is their duty and god given responsibility to be appalled and act (thus they get their ego stroked for feeling good about making the world a better place).

    I honestly don't believe it registers with most other people regardless of their political standing, but it is probably true that do-gooders are more likely to be conservatives.
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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    um i think people do care a fair amount. Middle aged housewives care because they dont want their husbands looking at other titties. and they are a significant demographic.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    and liberals care because you have to give away the sexay, not charge a reasonable market rate for it.

    i live in the most unchurched part of america, and they REALLY hate stripclubs/sexuality-for-sale here, despite not being religious or middle-aged, but definitely liberal.

    you don't even see lingerie coffeestands within city limits, only as a sideshow out in the boonies 30mins to an hour away.

    i think the prospect of $$$ tax revenue from stripclubs may be more appealing than closing them all down, but you never know.

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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    I think the bottom line is that the only people more pro than con regarding stripclubs are the employees and customers of those places, which is a very small fraction of the population. Everyone else falls somewhere between indifference and downright hatred.
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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    um i think people do care a fair amount. Middle aged housewives care because they dont want their husbands looking at other titties. and they are a significant demographic.
    True, this is also a group that stands nothing to gain from SCs and a lot to lose.
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    Default Re: Is stripping next on the (legal) chopping block?

    ...if all SC's in America vanished overnight, Hooters would become the next "great sexual evil" on their hit list. So it's all relative just as the worlds view of open sexuality is relative to their local beliefs. SC's are just easy targets because you can actually "point your finger at them and complain". If they were fluid and not visible others could not complain so much, imo. Just look at the escort biz. At the same time, 100x's as much "crime", questionable moralistic behavior, drug consumption, drunkenness, devaluation of property. whatever, are happening all around town unrelated to SC's.
    "Peter, did you take Stewie to a strip-club? He smells like sweat and fear." - Lois and Stewie (Family Guy) ... "Through early morning fog I see, Visions of the things to be, The pains that are withheld for me, I realize and I can see..."

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