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    A few questions from a new dancer.

    I have worked two days so far. The first day I made $86 after tip-out and the second I made $118. Is this good for a beginner or no? If I doesn't get better, I would rather work as a secretary and make the same amount for less stressful work. The problem is...I can't get hired as a secretary...I am overqualified due to my college degree, but too inexperienced to work in my degree field.

    Also, how much contact is expected during a lap dance. My club allows grinding in VIP and I am comfortable with that. The guys isn't supposed to touch us, but we can touch him. I am not however, comfortable with kissing the guy on the cheek or nibbling on his ear, a couple of techniques I have heard mentioned on this board. Are those behaviors expected during a lapdance? Also, what do you ladies typically do during a dance? So far I usually straddle the guy, grind a little, rub my breasts against him and turn around so he gets the view from all angles. I touch his shoulders, back, chest, and I will rest my hands on his legs while facing away from him. I am just wondering if I need to do crazier, more slutty moves or if simply moving seductively and grinding a little is sufficient. Because I am comfortable with the kind of dances I have been doing, but I haven't gotten any repeat dances. I know the lack of repeats isn't because I'm not pretty enough, I get comments on how beautiful I am all the time. But not having guys want to buy dances for me makes me feel like I must really suck at dancing.

    Also, how do you tell a guy he can't touch you and still sell him dances. the guys are not supposed to touch us. But alot of customers kept feeling my legs while we were talking the other night. I don't want to get in trouble, but I had to cover my house fees and didn't want to lose out on the few dances that I was getting.

    Thanks for reading. I am hoping things get better. I feel so discouraged right now, like I don't even know if I should go in to work for my next shift. I have experienced so much rejection in the last few days...

    Thanks again,
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    Hi!

    Sorry to tell you, but that's all that some girls are making now... period. Hang in there, we're getting to the busy season. Soon you'll be staring at thousands of dollars after sitting with a nice guy and drinking wine all night.

    As for what to do during a lap dance... you're in a strip club! Look at what the other girls are doing and do that.

    When a guy is touching, tell him to stop. You should verbalize it ("You're going to get me fired, please don't touch there.") and hold his hands down. For wealthier clients, I give them a spanking (light tap just under their belt) and a talking to. They don't like to be treated like a scumbag octopus so it keeps it fun and flirty.

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    Mostly sounds like your dancing is fine...
    How are you asking for multiple dances? You are asking for them, right?
    Sometimes... the way you ask for another dance can coax men who weren't planning to get another one into doing so... even when you only gave a mediorce dance.

    I wouldn't imagine you'd get in trouble for letting guys touch your legs while you're talking [esp. assuming you're fully dressed and all?]... but if you aren't comfortable with it... I find it's easier if you do little things like touch their arms and lean into them with your upper body so that it's not ONLY difficult for them to reach your legs... but they're also feeling like you're really into them because you keep touching them.
    I HATE being touched... but sitting certain ways makes it really awkward for them to try and reach over and touch you... so unless they're a grabby octo-man who is going to touch you no matter what...
    Plus when you're paying them physical attention... they nomally won't be so focused on trying to touch you.
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    When giving a dance, dance slower..if you go through all the motions by the end of the first song, what else is there to give?

    Treat the first dance like an appetizer, make eye contact but intermittently, meaning coy at first, glancing down and away at times, then back up again. You can massage their shoulders or tousle their hair a bit. No need for kissing or nibbling their ear.

    Your cheek can 'accidentally' graze their cheek. Then as you are nearing the end of the song, start a light grind with a few pauses and lean back a bit as the song is close to finishing, then ask, "You mind if I keep going?" If you get the green light to continue, move slowly from grind into another move where you can face them again, smiling....Continue...
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    ^^^^ I really like that about starting the light grinding towards the end of the dance. Does that work pretty well in getting them to buy another?

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    Making money in this industry has very little to do with "what moves" you actually "do" during a lapdance. It all boils down to gaining rapport with the customer and closing the sale. If you are only closing one $20 lapdance sale at a time, rather than blocks of dances or champagne hours, it is going to take longer to start making money. Getting repeat dances has everything to do with how you SELL it, not how you DANCE it

    My first shift I made $110. There is a learning curve associated with dancing. It took me four years of trial and error before I took DancerWealth and then suddenly the lightbulb went on for me. Some girls have a faster learning curve and can pick it up right away. Others learn better from an organized coaching and mentoring program.
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    Depending on your club, thats not bad for a first two nights. My first night i walked out with a bit under 150 and thought i was a baller.

    As far as touching: depends what you are comfy with and the boundaries your club sets. You say that your club says there is no touching on their part. Are their private dance rooms in your club? If a guy is someone who lightly touches your legs during a dance and you have private rooms and you are comfortable with some degree of 2 way contact say "you cant touch me at all out here because I will get in big trouble, but in the private rooms its a bit more laid back." Only do what you are comfortable with though-- everyone is different here. I am comfortable with light 2 way contact if the guy isnt being too grabby, but i do not allow any on the floor. Any physical grabbing or guys trying to get their hands to close to the lady bits i am not comfortable iwth. I am also not comfortable with my hair being touched. And i tell them and usually they are respectful. If not then I dance further away.

    When you are sitting with a guy, similar rules apply. On the floor, I am comfortable with a guy putting his arm around me. We arent allowed to sit in laps so i dont. I am not comfortable with guys touching my legs if i am sitting next to them, i usually find it creepy, so i kind of move my leg away a bit or take their hand in my hand and massage their hand away from my leg. Then they dont notice that i have kind of recoiled.

    Also, if a guy is being a creeper dont put up with it. Some guys like to do this thing where they will hold my hand and keep trying to pull it towards their crotch. I pull it away then they will try again, as if the second time i will totally be ok with it ::rolls eyes :: I have no patience for these guys, i very quicly try to sell them a dance (read through HH for some quick one liners), give them a dance with a lot of distance so they cant try to grab me, then move on. Usually those guys dont spend money anyway. One of these days when someone trys to do this i swear im going to move my hand towards their crotch.... to punch them in the balls lol.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    Some guys like to do this thing where they will hold my hand and keep trying to pull it towards their crotch. I pull it away then they will try again, as if the second time i will totally be ok with it.
    No, no... it's okay... you misunderstand... I wanted you to grab my cock. Why are you pulling your hand away? I'm not going to do something weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    No, no... it's okay... you misunderstand... I wanted you to grab my cock. Why are you pulling your hand away? I'm not going to do something weird.
    That actually made me laugh out loud.

    the sad thing is i have heard comments very close to that. men are idiots.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Try to keep eye contact with him, and flirt while you dance.
    Also, never turn your back to a man, I have learned this can be dangerous as they can try to grab you (and will).
    Keep your eyes on him at all times and just move his hands away when he goes to grab. It's not okay, ever for them to touch. We are DANCERS, that means we dance, you watch, and no I don't have to touch your penis

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    Now this may be a bit beyond what you're comfortable with, like, it might sound and feel funny...but I think what your dances are missing are YOU enjoying it. Instead of "servicing" someone or zoning out while they eye-fuck me...I like to tell people how I'm really getting off on them, it feels so good, how awesome they are but not in a fake way. Even if you aren't rubbing your crotches together you can moan or toss your hair as you get swept away by the music and your sensual self dancing to it. Some guys really like to see a girl like this and it's useful in turning the situation around. They're paying ME to enjoy myself, I have maaaybe helped them to enjoy themselves by watching me enjoy myself! ha ha ha but I don't really focus on them and how they're feeling the whole time.

    A year or two ago I made a personal commitment to actually enjoy the dances and relish in turning both myself and the guy on. No matter how fat and nasty, in fact, sometimes ESPECIALLY if they are undateable I find myself mustering up a strange attraction to them because they are so much more "in need" of my tender naked caresses

    I have a great boyfriend at home but I think I may just be oversexed or something because before I met him I was a bit of a playette. Being able to give sexy dances to complete strangers as my JOB has kept me faithful and sane and always entertained.

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    There's not one way to dance-- you need to read your customers which is just going to take time. I had some younger guys last night that just wanted to grind. Then I had an middle aged man who I barely grinded on and talked to more. Some customers WILL get freaked out if you are all over them, and some customers will get pissed if you aren't. The more you work the more you'll be able to read the guys personality and body language in the lap dance booth. For now, keep eye contact and SMILE, the sexy pouty look does not work. Try and work in some more intimate moved like touching their hair, grazing your lips across their cheek or touching their face with your hand. Give signs you are enjoying it; make noises, heavy breathing, pull on their hair, dig your fingers into them. Guys don't want to feel like you are a robot. And I intersperse your dancing with talking; keep it sexual and flirty, tell them how sexy they are and how much fun you are having. Let them guide the conversation and make personal connections.

    When I first started dancing I was making $150 on average a night. I make on average about $450 a night with a thousand dollar night about every other week. Ibam more comfortble talking to customers and making my sale pitch and guys don't usually think I am a newb but I also hustle harder. Some of it is luck of the draw-- timing and what type of customer you happen to get. If you have a room of broke college students you are probably going to have to make rounds pretty frequently, and that has nothing to do with you being a bad dancer.

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    Thanks everyone for the replies. I had a crappy night at work a few days ago, but yesterday I made the most money I've made so far (still not a ton, but better than I hoped)...I had a bad weekend and spent wayy too much at the bar...so I was really motivated to make some money. I think the problem might just be that there are too many girls and too few customers when I've been working. However, I am not willing to give up my Friday and Saturday nights! Well...maybe Fridays..we'll see how it goes. I did get a few repeat dances the other night too, so I'm feeling a little better now.

    Thanks again,
    *Kiti*

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