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    I'm American and plan to be at this for a while. A lot of girls I've talked to say it's good to move around in this job, because of off seasons at certain clubs, hot seasons at others, etc. Even though it's the off season in my current club, I'm staying until I'm confident that I'm good enough on the floor and pole, I build a better wardrobe, and probably most importantly until I get my business license and DBA (Doing Business As). Then it's off I go, first in my own state, then to others as I'm ready.

    But my biggest hope is to try working outside the states- specifically Newcastle-upon-Tyne in England.

    Can any English dancers from around there tell me what the area is like?
    Can any American dancers tell me what it's like trying to move and find work there?
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    Unless you have dual citizenship ( with the second citizenship being an EU country or a British Commonwealth country ) or some linkage to a UK citizen that will get you a permanent residency, you're not going to be hired to work in any 'corporate' UK club. Doing so requires that you be granted a UK work visa, which is next to impossible for a 'house dancer' to obtain.

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    hi, if you are coming to England London is quite a good place to start I think..you can be assured of reputable ,well run clubs (mostly, maybe some differ)
    one thing is that they are quite busy to work ..but also busy with lots of british girls working (more now than a few years ago even, because of unemployment elsewhere and lots of student debters!!)..aswell as this plenty of european dancers,I wouldn't say competetive but you must have a strong ethic for work. In many clubs I have worked theres often a competition between girls offering 'outside extras' although that is obviously not allowed here (by law and clubs are strictly moderated)..Im sure you know there are ways round this. so that may affect your decisions if you dont like this sort of competition.
    the clubs are pretty safe though be reassured if you had concerns.. (this will sound terrible I know but if you aren't strong character for standing up to club bitches be warned that whenever I've worked with american girls here they can get a hard time (*extreme example...1 brit girl urinating in an american dancers make up bag on first night??!!! I KNOW!! ..god i almost feel i should apolagise on behalf of all the decent girls in england!!!)
    I think you need some money first for living of course, flats arent cheap but room shares can be good..not much provided by clubs that Im aware of. you can make a living here but depends if you think you will come and make your fortune ..i wish you the best but you might be dissapointed?
    You will find clubs in most cities here so take your pick.. 'spearmint rhino' and 'for your eyes only' are popping up EVERYWHERE alongside many local places. you will find it easiest to work if you are self employed because clubs are checked for legal workers so many now insist on this basis you pay your house fee £30-£80 per night to work and collect the rest yourself but every club is different..most use vouchers (for girls security?) which are exchanged back to the club..this means not all clubs really have stage tips.
    I don't want to sound like I know everything though so I hope other girls will add posts if they think differently from what ive said!
    Some places I know you will find clubs (most have regular auditions or can arrange just type strip club newcastle and youll find plenty im sure) London, Brighton, Southampton, Portsmouth, Liverpool etc :-) but a personal oppinion- feel free to ignore- I would stick to the larger cities around/including the capitol LDN at least to begin with if you are new to England...if at the least just because you maybe will start to loose grips with the accent the further away you go! ;-)

    hope some of this might help you although I'm no expert really, but if you want to know basic stuff like living cost blah blah lemme know..
    claudia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Doing so requires that you be granted a UK work visa, which is next to impossible for a 'house dancer' to obtain.

    girls I have known canadian/american have managed, so if you determined dont loose hope... applying as dancer/model if you are self employed, is from memory the basis on which the girls I've known have managed.

    if you contact the clubs here like spearmint rhino they may offer you some advice? ..if you catch the right person they may know american dancers and help with info.
    might aswell be hopeful,it only takes an email!
    good luck..claudia

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowella View Post
    You will find clubs in most cities here so take your pick.. 'spearmint rhino' and 'for your eyes only' are popping up EVERYWHERE alongside many local places.
    Funny you should mention FYEO. They were actually the ones I was primarily looking into in Newcastle, since there's three (FYEO, Blue Velvet and Diamonds). I'm sure there's more out there, they're just the ones I came across first and actually was thinking of contacting them regarding it closer to the time of the hopeful move.

    I'll look into Spearmint Rhino and see if I can find other clubs in the area. Not deciding on one yet, of course. You never know what may pop up in the next few years!
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Unless you have dual citizenship ( with the second citizenship being an EU country or a British Commonwealth country ) or some linkage to a UK citizen that will get you a permanent residency, you're not going to be hired to work in any 'corporate' UK club. Doing so requires that you be granted a UK work visa, which is next to impossible for a 'house dancer' to obtain.
    I was hoping that the business license as a sole proprietor would help with getting a visa for the move, since it would basically be like a small business relocating?

    And if that doesn't work, what about a fiance? lol, To be honest, there are very intense feelings between a Newcastle boy and I (half the reason I want to go there) but we haven't really gotten "together" because of the distance. =^_^=
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    i dont know about laws regarding marrying into the uk (a little un ethical on a work basis really?) ...I know that the checks are very thourough though so even if it is was a real lawful marriage...if you are new relationship and dont have a history of relationship this can make it hard to get around their checks! (ha so dont take the ring just for the visa!!!! u may still be refused!)
    one british website used for finding apartments is gumtree.co.uk they have this for every area its good for finding cheap flats it also has job ads so you may even find dance work here (but probably in an independant club).
    if you are moving for love it is very sweet story i wish you well...but also dont be blinded by your desires! if you have already a good job there bare in mind you may well be have a lot of work and energy put into just getting to the country/followed by possibility of much lower earning than US/ the reputation of dancers here is not a particularly mainstream or open minded one/and the clubs which arent branded 'fyeo' 'spearmint rhino' can be *truthfully* quite old and grotty to work in... for example I once shared a dressing room with up to 14 girls with just a tiny locker each,in a clulb with no female customer toilet so female clients would be lead into the dressing room if needed! the club used to give £10 fines for reasons such as not wearing your god awful santa hat for the whole month of december or even not using a straw to drink!!!(lipstick) it was a minefield of made up rules..then it was a topless only club with aparently 3ft between u and the man but contact was entirely expected but you could gain £10 fine for having 2 knees on the floor at any time !!??? something to do with stopping girls lying down? bizarre also the club was so quiet that you are paid soley a 4/7 share of dances done (£7 to you) but sometimes not 1 customer came for the whole week night! (or just 1 customer this wud b funny as the girls would pounce like a hungry pack of hyenas ;-) scaring the blokes away)£10 fine though for not approaching customers so the girls would make nothing that night..
    obviously this club sounds like a terrible place badly run and small scale...but the thing is it was closely monitored by local council? i was here for a police check up and they just manage to have ways round everything (nothing truly unlawful..just shit rules for girls)it was crazy that any girl worked there but at that point the 2 clubs in town were run by the same top guy anyway so if u didnt like 1 u wouldnt get a place at the 2nd.
    there are strange old clubs like this and then there are branded ones like fyeo.so dont rely on finding an independant club..you may hate it. I know of a club in Birmingham that is out at a truck stop area its a pub..they dont have a stage..they dance ..just around..the changing room is genuinely the ladies toilets...and the music is dukebox paid by girls!!!! for real! this sounds made up but the girls make execellent money they are just really tough! (and slightly crazy I guess) but yeah thats just another story of a club you may come across in a job ad posting without knowing it lol
    dont mean to scare you! as you can easily walk away from an audition once you get there ..no one will force you and then there are alternatives..but just make sure you go somewhere there ARE alternatives if it turns out to be some crazy truckstop haha!
    good luck ps england is great i make it sound terrible..just please be aware and you will have fun!

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    I know this hasn't been visited in some time, but I feel the need to bring it up again-

    snowella, trust me, that doesn't sound as scary as you may think. I've heard about lots of places like that in my area and my own club has utterly retarded rules/fines as well. And don't think at all that I would accept a proposal purely for a visa. The main reason I want to work in the UK is so that I can be with the guy I care about, not the other way around.

    I'm looking into the FYEO chain again and find myself wondering- what the hell is a CV?
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    A student visa is how many US girls are able to dance in the UK. Most student visas allow for part time work.

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    ^^^^

    the only dancers i have seen from the USA who were dancing were students, never ever heard of a dancer getting a Visa for a lapdancing club! You have also got to rememebr the law gets tighter every year when it comes to immigration!

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    I don't know anything about visas in the uk, but if you wanna work here i think you would be better off working in Newcastle than London, I have worked in the clubs there that was in 06, was good, I know it's not worth travelin 4 nowdays but if your gonna be stayin in the area anyway, It should be worth it, it's very cheap to live there well compared to London, goodluckx
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    Well, I do intend to go to college. Maybe it would help if I started here in the states and transferred to a uni in Newcastle (which is a university city, to other US girls who don't know)? I had already considered putting off college a couple more years and trying to go while I was there. Maybe it will improve my chances of getting the Visa to apply to a university there instead of here in the states?

    UK dancers- what the hell is a CV? FYEO asks for it in the online application.
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    CV is the british term for a resume

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naida View Post
    Well, I do intend to go to college. Maybe it would help if I started here in the states and transferred to a uni in Newcastle (which is a university city, to other US girls who don't know)? I had already considered putting off college a couple more years and trying to go while I was there. Maybe it will improve my chances of getting the Visa to apply to a university there instead of here in the states?

    UK dancers- what the hell is a CV? FYEO asks for it in the online application.
    How would you transfer? The courses in England have different content and a totaly different layout. Don't think money is that good in Newcaslte anymore, heard sunderland is good but that was a while ago.

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    ^^^It is easiest to do a study abroad program for a year or a semester. Start at a school, even a community college. Then ask about study abroad programs in the UK.

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    I know you cant transfer halfway through college. Dont forget uni is £7000 a year (for a cheap uni) for one year, they dont do semesters here!

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    From a dancer's perspective, is it really that expensive to attend college in the UK? For my area here in the US, a typical middle-class income runs around $30-35k annually, and we easily make double that in cities in this industry. And I'm not scared of attending years rather than semesters. I'm sure it really can't be all that bad if I'm continuing to dance there (which I obviously am, lol)

    So what is the probability on getting the visa by applying to colleges in the Newcastle area after I finish my schooling here?
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    you will have to apply and get a place at uni first(conditional or unconditional), ucas applications should have already been made, you would have to make a late entry and priority will be given to those who applied on time.

    The average salary here is 50,421$(not average middle class overall average) and that is reflected in living costs and other expenses.

    Dont get dancing in the uk mixed up with dancing in the USA and remember it doesnt matter what the average wage is where you live if your not going to be living there! Jordies can be patriotic and have a very thick accent which is hard to understan even for us brits!, imagine after they have had a few drinks!, not fretting how unbelively stingy they are.

    good luck.
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    But my biggest hope is to try working outside the states- specifically Newcastle-upon-Tyne in England.

    Can any English dancers from around there tell me what the area is like?
    Can any American dancers tell me what it's like trying to move and find work there?[/quote]


    Hey, just thought id add to this that i am the house mum at a club in England, Eden in blackpool, and we are very busy in the summer season april-august, and if any American girls want to come to work here all i would ask for is passport for proof of age, we can also arrange accomadation, visas are not as strict in England as they are in America,
    Il also add that dancers in England are selfemployed so if you wanted to work here legally and pay taxes you may have issues but we as the club would not get involved in that side we would just require proof of age.

    Hope this helps! xxxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by hennessy24 View Post
    But my biggest hope is to try working outside the states- specifically Newcastle-upon-Tyne in England.

    Can any English dancers from around there tell me what the area is like?
    Can any American dancers tell me what it's like trying to move and find work there?

    Hey, just thought id add to this that i am the house mum at a club in England, Eden in blackpool, and we are very busy in the summer season april-august, and if any American girls want to come to work here all i would ask for is passport for proof of age, we can also arrange accomadation, visas are not as strict in England as they are in America,
    Il also add that dancers in England are selfemployed so if you wanted to work here legally and pay taxes you may have issues but we as the club would not get involved in that side we would just require proof of age.

    Hope this helps! xxxx [/quote]

    you do know its a £5000 fine per illegal worker? i remeber when blue coyotes leeds got raided x

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    you do know its a £5000 fine per illegal worker? i remeber when blue coyotes leeds got raided
    just curious as to who is responsible for paying this very hefty ( US$8,000 ) fine ... the 'illegal' dancer, or the club that allowed her to dance ?

    I also assume that any foreign person found to be working in the UK illegally is subject to immediate deportation. Do UK colleges give tuition rebates if a foreign student is no longer allowed to remain in the country to attend classes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    just curious as to who is responsible for paying this very hefty ( US$8,000 ) fine ... the 'illegal' dancer, or the club that allowed her to dance ?

    I also assume that any foreign person found to be working in the UK illegally is subject to immediate deportation. Do UK colleges give tuition rebates if a foreign student is no longer allowed to remain in the country to attend classes ?
    I got it wrong, its actualy up to £10,000 per illegal worker, i have watched uk border force alot though and they usualy charge around £5000, i suppose if it was a big business they would charge the full lot, its the employer who pays - the club that allowed her to dance.

    http://www.immigrationmatters.co.uk/...er-worker.html

    It would mean immediate deportation and it would also mean problems getting back to sort out possesions(furniture, belongings etc) and any future visits. if you were to come here on student Visa then you can only work 20 hours a week, alot of girls would struggle working that many hours(not me) to earn decent money! colleges do not reimburse fess. if the immigration inspectors at the airport suspected you working more than 20 hours on returning from a visit home then they just send you straight back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by africanqueen View Post
    if you were to come here on student Visa then you can only work 20 hours a week, alot of girls would struggle working that many hours(not me) to earn decent money! colleges do not reimburse fess. if the immigration inspectors at the airport suspected you working more than 20 hours on returning from a visit home then they just send you straight back!
    Okay, I understand the 20 hours thing, and I'm sure that wouldn't kill me in a larger-scale club (like the FYEO or Spearmint Rhino chains) because I already only work 28 (and am FAR from the top earner on nights I am there) in a dive and make enough to cover all my bills plus extras like smokes and going out with friends.
    But what do you mean more than 20 hours on returning from a visit? Can they really revoke my visa for working, say, 30 hours in a club back in the states while I came back to visit my family? How is that possible? I'm on a college holiday (ie- not in school at the time because it's a school holiday when students are supposed to be free to take temp work, go on vacations, etc), on a trip to a different country. Are international students not allowed to take temp work when they are relieved of their duties as a student?
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naida View Post
    Okay, I understand the 20 hours thing, and I'm sure that wouldn't kill me in a larger-scale club (like the FYEO or Spearmint Rhino chains) because I already only work 28 (and am FAR from the top earner on nights I am there) in a dive and make enough to cover all my bills plus extras like smokes and going out with friends.
    But what do you mean more than 20 hours on returning from a visit? Can they really revoke my visa for working, say, 30 hours in a club back in the states while I came back to visit my family? How is that possible? I'm on a college holiday (ie- not in school at the time because it's a school holiday when students are supposed to be free to take temp work, go on vacations, etc), on a trip to a different country. Are international students not allowed to take temp work when they are relieved of their duties as a student?
    No sweetie!!!! if you work more than 20 in the uk,if you go on holiday and come back and they think you were previously working more than 20 hours you'll be back on th plane.

    wait till you get to the uk before you decide on how much you can earn here, in how much time and what it will cover! i will tell you one more time its not the same earnings and costs in the 2 countries! Ive worked in alot of big clubs here and i won't work in the north as its poor money, usualy half the prices of down south and men that are less willing to spend.

    You sound very naive with unrealistic expectations, making plans to go to uni here to work as a lapdancer because you are interested in a boy lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by africanqueen View Post
    wait till you get to the uk before you decide on how much you can earn here, in how much time and what it will cover! i will tell you one more time its not the same earnings and costs in the 2 countries! Ive worked in alot of big clubs here and i won't work in the north as its poor money, usualy half the prices of down south and men that are less willing to spend.

    You sound very naive with unrealistic expectations, making plans to go to uni here to work as a lapdancer because you are interested in a boy lol
    Actually, I'd say that I have very realistic expectations. I've already-
    1) Looked into the college courses I want to take
    2) Checked how much those particular courses will cost me
    3) Checked prices on flats/rentals in the area I'll be staying in
    4) Compared all these prices to my current, very low earnings
    5) Am saving up enough to cover six months rent/bills/etc on my own

    I decided to look into larger, well-known chains because these are the ones that will most likely provide me with better earning potential. If I could afford most of the vitals on my current meager earnings (considering living expenses are much higher in the UK than they are here), then I'm sure i could pull it off. And even if I can't, I'm not rushing in headlong without an escape route- ie, enough additional spare cash to get a plane ticket back to the states.

    Yay for friends who let me crash at their place for cheap! Paying roughly $200-300 a month sure beats the hell out of $600-700 a month.
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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