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    Why is it that the entertainers are the ones who need to pay some of the employees out of our tips??? These clubs are making millions of dollars, but yet we have to be an independant contactor, tip the DJ, tip the bouncers, tip the vip hosts, tip the house moms, in some situations tip our managers, tip the front desk people, tip the valet and on top of that make sure our customers are tipping the waitresses and if they don't, we have to, to keep good standings.

    Why do we continue to exploit ourselves to this greedy industry where the club owners get all the benefit and none of the risk? Does anybody else see what's wrong with this picture?????? When are people going to realize that WE are the ones who are bringing the club money, but yet we are on the bottom or the totem pole.

    Sorry for the frustration, but I am getting extremely tired of this shit. We already have to pay for our own ss, medicare and medical, our clothes, shoes, makeup, tanning, nails, hair etc. plus pay the club to work there and tip all their employees so they don't have to put them on payroll and pay taxes on them.

    We are constantly under appreciated and yet the possibility of making that almighty American dollar keeps us coming back.

    Seriously has anybody else ever looked at it this way?

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    i think everyone has. and we either decide that the money we make above our tip-outs is still enough for us to continuing dancing, or that we pay out too much and its not worth it and quit. yes it sucks, but what are we gonna do? go on strike? lol.

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    I never liked when you had to tip people who did nothing for you to make money. I get tipping the DJ because he's supposed to be helping (and usually does), and those who direct customers to you (for instance bouncers, waitresses, etc). What I hate was when you had to tip those who did nothing, for instance a manager who was in the office the entire time, or someone who provides services you didn't use. In those cases I think it's exploiting dancers so the owners basically get off scot free. This is especially true in those clubs where they charge a huge housefee on top of it because quite a bit of that money ends up in the owner's pocket taxfree. There was a club like here where the girls had to tip out over $100 a shift on top of tipping everyone (and this club was over staffed with dancers on top of it).

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    Luckily... in my club... we only have to tip dj, bouncers, valet (if you use him, which I do... because I don't want my car broken into out on the street)...
    If I had to tip that whole list of people you mentioned... I'd be one angry girl.
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    At my club, there's an unspoken rule: If a waitress or manager points you to a customer that makes you a bit of money, you should tip him/her 10-20% of what you make off that customer. Once they recognize you as a tipper, they recommend you more often. I think it's pretty crazy to be expected to tip so much to someone who didn't do any of the work, but it does help make more money in the long run.

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    Its bullshit but they do it because they can. Keep a record of it and you can deduct it on your taxes as expenses.

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    My club only requires tipping the manager 7$ out of every lapdance (on week days only) and then tip the DJ. Anyone else is optional, but I usually tip the bartender because she's awesome (although this week I couldn't because she left early so I'll probably double up on her next week). On top of that there's no house fee during the week. On saturday I guess, there's a fixed house fee but you keep what you make on lapdances.

    I'm in western NY. Lot of people complain about NY SC rules but I've been totally happy with the place so far.

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    You tip them because they are working for YOU. Yes the club is making thousands of dollars off the dances and drinks and cover charge, but the employees are not making that money. They get paid minimum wage (the manager excluded) most of the time... they are not banking in money and their job is to help YOU make money.

    At my club we tip the manager, DJ, waitresses, and doormen a minimum a dollar a dance, which I think is pretty fair.

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    audrey has it right. The staff in a club is literally getting min wage. Just like servers in a restaurant, they rely on tips. Unfortunately, some take advantage of this and don't do the best job because they think they will get tipped anyway.

    I guess this was the main reason that I couldn't stomach house dancing. I am infinitely a cheap bitch! I was house dancing at Deja Vu and at the end of the night we would walk out with 1/2 the money we made because EVERY employee would stand in a line as you walked out the door with their hand out.

    I now am fully aware of the benefits of keeping certain people in the club in your pocket. I guess I was too naive to get that at the time. BUT, I did notice a more attentive staff when I shelled out a bit more. As much as it made my blood boil to give that cash up, it also opened my eyes to how it all works.

    I say... What have you done for me lately? If nothing- no tip! I expect people to work for tips with the same effort that I do! There is the flip side... Tip more from the beginning an see if you get better treatment. If not, then reduce the tip and repeat "What have you done for me lately"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiStrawberry Splenda View Post
    Its bullshit but they do it because they can. Keep a record of it and you can deduct it on your taxes as expenses.
    I was under the impression that the amount of money you take home after tip outs was your taxable income. If you make $300 but give up $100 in tip outs then you only report $200 as your taxable income. Business expenses are things like outfits, make up, waxing, tanning, hair cuts, etc. The person that receives the tip from you is supposed to report it and pay taxes out of it.
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    ya maybe girls would get less upset about tip-out if you don't even think of all the money you made as yours. i mean, i see girls a lot talk about how much they made before tip-out. why bother? literally the only thing that matters is what you take home. i mean, if you want to see if tipping out more or less makes a difference in how staff treats you, i'd keep track for that reason only. but other than that doesn't make much sense to me to bum yourself out saying you made 2k before tip-out, and really you end up putting $1600 in your bank. you made $1600.
    and laurisa, that's how i did my taxes last year. i just kept track of what i made and also had some checks from funny money from the club. i did my taxes myself since unfortunately i have about no assets, but i'm not sure what an accountant would say is technically correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audrey_k View Post
    You tip them because they are working for YOU. Yes the club is making thousands of dollars off the dances and drinks and cover charge, but the employees are not making that money. They get paid minimum wage (the manager excluded) most of the time... they are not banking in money and their job is to help YOU make money.

    At my club we tip the manager, DJ, waitresses, and doormen a minimum a dollar a dance, which I think is pretty fair.
    Actually, NO these people do not work for ME. I have danced at the same club for over 5 years and not once has anyone done anything for me. And I have tipped quite well. And this is the only club where I have been required to tip out so many people. Sorry, but why should I have to tip the VIP host 10-20% for nothing. Oh they seated us at the table so I should tip them. That's what they get paid to do. Even if your customer tips them, they still expect you to tip them too.

    I can understand tipping the DJ if he plays songs for you or skips you on stage, but we already have a standard DJ fee included in our house fee. Now the DJ doesn't get all of that money, because it's just another way for the house to make more money. How is that my problem?

    I will tip the housemom IF she brings us decent food to eat or I use her stuff. Yes, if people do things for me, I don't have a problem. It's the people who DON'T do shit for me that I have a problem with. Also, to stay on mgmts good side they want to be tipped 20%. Yes, I have a problem with that.

    But it's all good, because after reading all these responses and re evaluating my feelings about this club, I am sure I will not be going back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    I was under the impression that the amount of money you take home after tip outs was your taxable income. If you make $300 but give up $100 in tip outs then you only report $200 as your taxable income. Business expenses are things like outfits, make up, waxing, tanning, hair cuts, etc. The person that receives the tip from you is supposed to report it and pay taxes out of it.
    My accountants have always taken my tips to employess and put them on as deductions. It is all added together to make up the gross income and deducted before taxes. So it is being reported how much you are tipping employees but you get a deduction for it, thus bringing down your income and taxes. Oh and I also report how much I pay in house fees too.

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    Are there any SCs owned and/or operated by former strippers?

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    The SC owners are smart!

    They make the dancers pay to work there (fair).

    Then they make/have/expect the dancers to pay their employees (which they pay very little) so they can make more $$ without it coming out of the club's pocket. LMAO!

    This set up seems to fuel a lot of club employees' sense of entitlement to a dancer's $$ when they haven't done a damn thing to help/increase her $$. They are like PIMPS. If they are not helping a dancer then they are not working for her but the club that they get a pay check from.

    If they do something helpful to increase a dancer's $$, I think they should be tipped fairly.

    It is nice that it is considered a tax deduction to a certain amount.

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    Ugh, I hate all the greedy employees that feel entitled to our tips. I tip the DJ and the bouncers. I tip the bouncers between $3-$10 each depending on how my night went. If I get myself a drink at the bar I will tip the bartender. I hardly ever tip the waitresses, because I don't usually use them. The customers are there to tip the waitress/bartenders. If a waitress does an exceptional job I will tip, or if I KNOW a big spender left her a menial tip, I will give her a tip. I'm not one of those people who believes in shelling out a bunch of tips to people. If a waitress points me in a good direction, then I will give a tip. We don't have a housemom, nor do we tip management. I will NEVER understand why any dancer would be forced to tip mgmt. That would just cause favoritism and a hostile work environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taylormadison View Post

    They make the dancers pay to work there (fair).
    How is it fair? It's not even legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    How is it fair? It's not even legal.
    Maybe it's not fair.
    If it's illegal my club owes me $.
    The house fee is less expensive than tip outs most of the time at my club.
    I don't think it's fair to be required to tip out certain amounts to lazy staff when the cheap club should give their employees higher pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taylormadison View Post
    Maybe it's not fair.
    If it's illegal my club owes me $.
    The house fee is less expensive than tip outs most of the time at my club.
    I don't think it's fair to be required to tip out certain amounts to lazy staff when the cheap club should give their employees higher pay.
    so maybe management will start paying them by raising your house fee

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    so maybe management will start paying them by raising your house fee
    I hope not.
    Don't we pay enough?

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    My club actually gives you a chance to win some of the money you put in back with champagne contest. You get free tip out for a week if you sell the most for a week and if for the month you get $500. some nights you come in and if you are the first to sell 3 rooms you get a free bottle to take home (a nice bottle, not korbel. something that retails for $121 normally and we sell for $350) and $300 worth of tip out. If we tip our managers well on good nights they'll also let us slide on crappy nights. I used to work with a partner and they'd let me go for free, but not her. It' was because we'd make a grand and she'd tip $5 and I gave them $40. Saved me $40 in house fees on a diffrent night so it all equals out in the end. This used to drive her crazy lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greeneyedgrl View Post
    Actually, NO these people do not work for ME. I have danced at the same club for over 5 years and not once has anyone done anything for me. And I have tipped quite well. And this is the only club where I have been required to tip out so many people. Sorry, but why should I have to tip the VIP host 10-20% for nothing. Oh they seated us at the table so I should tip them. That's what they get paid to do. Even if your customer tips them, they still expect you to tip them too.

    I can understand tipping the DJ if he plays songs for you or skips you on stage, but we already have a standard DJ fee included in our house fee. Now the DJ doesn't get all of that money, because it's just another way for the house to make more money. How is that my problem?

    I will tip the housemom IF she brings us decent food to eat or I use her stuff. Yes, if people do things for me, I don't have a problem. It's the people who DON'T do shit for me that I have a problem with. Also, to stay on mgmts good side they want to be tipped 20%. Yes, I have a problem with that.

    But it's all good, because after reading all these responses and re evaluating my feelings about this club, I am sure I will not be going back.
    I have to disagree. The bouncers are there to protect YOU, help YOU deal with customers, and if you work at a club where they take from each dance, keep track of how many dances you do and get charged for. The DJ plays your music and puts you up on stage, the waitresses help make sure your customers are comfortable (and at my club help us fill our drink). I think tipping the manager is kind of unfair so I’m not going to argue that one.

    I tip very well and I have gotten a lot in return… my staff constantly recommends me customers every night and have even introduced me to long term customers they know well. The bouncers always have my back if I am having trouble getting paid and have gone to great lengths to get me my money a few times… for example, a couple weeks ago a guy owed me $500 and didn’t have the cash, one of the bouncers told me to go work and said he would take care of it. He got the guy to empty his account and get his friend to lend him $200 while I went and sold a few dances… then gave me the cash. We have to sell a certain amount of drinks or we pay and then we make money off of them. I never don’t sell my drinks, partly because I hustle them, but also because the waitresses are always on it when I’m with a customer and push them pretty hard. On nights I haven’t sold them they’ve marked me for them if they can--saved me $40 a couple nights ago.
    They’ve also given me extra drinks if they have them so I make money off them. As for the DJ, I don’t go up on stage really unless they REALLY need someone which helps me make more money since I can just hustle (and I also hate stage).

    If someone is not helping me out I don’t OVERitip them, but I will always tip everyone the average as long as they are doing their job. This just seems fair to me, maybe because I have worked a lot of minimum wage jobs where someone giving me $20 was a big deal and tips made a huge difference. With the kind of money we make compared to these people, it just seems kind of selfish and rude to me not to at least tip the average… I mean, after taxes minimum wage is like less than $50 for an eight hour shift, and yeah they don’t have to get naked, but they do have to bust their ass and they aren’t working for themselves like we are.

    I don’t really understand your comment in regards to “so what that’s what they’re being paid to do…” isn’t that true in any situation? You tip a waitress at a restaurant and isn’t she just doing what she’s being paid to do? We’re being paid to give lap dances, why should we get tipped on top of the lap dance price?

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    I know each club is different., but I need to know who exactly all gets tipped.. Or is supposed to.. I feel bad cuz I don't know,.. N feel stupid cuz I should by now.. (it's my 4th night..) so far, i've given tips to the Dj, doorman, manager, and the lap dance counter (don't know what his title is)... So tonight I don't wanna feel like I'm not topping enough.. Or the right ppl... I just wanna know iscthere someone I'm forgetting?

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    You will need to talk to the house mum about your clubs policy. It depends greatly on the clubs set up if it is a larger club you will usually find you need to tip

    Compulsory

    • House Mum
    • DJ
    • VIP Host / Mgr if you get a room
    • Valet

    Expected

    • Floor Bouncer
    • Dance Counter
    • Back Door Man

    Optional

    • Waitress
    • Barman
    • Managers

    Hell of a long list when you look at it

    Most of these people help in one way or another & you should tip them accordingly.

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    We don't have to tip people in most clubs in the Uk thankgod, but I will tip waitress if they help me with a spender etc, oh the only club that expects u to tip is spearmint rhino ! the bouncers , Djs everyone for nothing ugh!
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