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    Default Feel Gulity that I Don't do Enough for Club

    Okay, this may sound silly, which is why I'm asking for your opinions:

    I feel guilty and as though I don't contribute enough to my club. Basically, I pay so that I don't have to dance on stage (I tip the DJ extra), I sometimes don't get all of my drinks that I need (and the club lets me slide), and I barely ever sell rooms (which is where the club makes its money since we get to keep all of the lapdance money).

    The club, however, lets me come in whenever I want (no schedule is required), and I even get to work a shift that doesn't exist.

    So it's not like I contribute to my club's stage show, I don't contribute much to their money, and I'm not a "reliable" dancer since I come in when I please.

    I am wrong to feel guilty? Please someone tell me I'm being unreasonable and that I shouldn't feel guilty!!

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    Default Re: Feel Gulity that I Don't do Enough for Club

    Your set up sounds awesome. You actually ARE contributing silly. If it wasn't for pretty ladies ..... how could they charge covers and sell drinks?

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    Default Re: Feel Gulity that I Don't do Enough for Club

    You're providing entertainment for them for free, which is why all the guys are there. You didn't think it was because they love paying cover to buy overpriced drinks, right?

    It's already totally illegal for them to classify you as an IC and not pay you a wage. So really, you have nothing to feel guilty about.
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    Default Re: Feel Gulity that I Don't do Enough for Club

    I do the same thing, and I don't feel guilty about it one bit.

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    Default Re: Feel Gulity that I Don't do Enough for Club

    I think that if you are coming in on your own, you should get to decide what you do while you are there. If you were scheduled and still didn't do all those things, then you might have a reason to feel guilty. For instance, I sometimes feel guilty if I think I'm not selling enough PDs because my manager gets a portion of those, so on nights where I didn't sell any I feel like a jerk. But I've gotten a lot better at that already, so it's not all too bad.

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    Default Re: Feel Gulity that I Don't do Enough for Club

    it's not like we receive a paycheck, so i wouldn't feel guilty about a thing. Exactly how much do you think you owe a place you have to pay to work at? My opinion has always been that they're lucky to have us, 'cause without the girls there'd be no business. As much as the drinks and cover is, believe me, they make their money.

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    Default Re: Feel Gulity that I Don't do Enough for Club

    I don't think its a matter of feeling "guilty" or not, its more a matter of building social capital and keeping your club open for business.

    Judging from your set up (drop in schedule, no enforced mandatory shifts, etc) it doesn't sound like your club is doing anything illegal in terms of contractor/employee issues.

    However, A LOT of small clubs across the country are struggling to keep their doors open. Many have reduced their cover charges and/or offer free cover with event tickets and "free passes." Without the cover charge revenue they have to get profit from somewhere. If they don't sell drinks (which most entertainers will decline if it's a choice between a drink or a dance) merchandise or charge a house fee the club will go out of business.
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    Default Re: Feel Gulity that I Don't do Enough for Club

    I have a similar situation in two clubs I work in, although only one has a drink quota. I feel bad on the days I don't sell enough of their already over-priced non-alcoholic ladies' drinks, but it's only because it eats into my dance money because we get charged if we don't sell enough of their drinks. However, there have been many nights where no one is able to sell the set amount of drinks and we are all usually given a pardon.

    That being said, as long as you're tipping the dj, paying house fees, and tipping staff when you are doing well, I doubt they really think much of your 'open' schedule or about how many rooms you sell.

    My DJs love to see me coming in at one club because I tip at the beginning of the shift. Fairly often, the amount is above what they get from other girls who pay out based on how many dances they've done. And I pay it to them fully gambling with the possibility of going home without recouping that expense!
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    Thanks for reminding me about the tipout that goes to the club's staff and the fact that I don't get a base pay. That actually really helps, and I'm not sure why I didn't take that into consideration before. I guess I'm just so used to clubs requiring certain things and not treating its dancers so well..

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    Screw them, don't ever feel guilty about that. They'd screw you over in a second if it was between you and them. The fact that they let you do these things means they like you enough.

    Oh, and I had a relationship similar to a club before. I still managed to build social capital, by talking to the staff, getting to know them, doing little things for them...like bringing the DJ this candy that he liked, etc...

    ETA: that was a bit harsh, what I said above. If you want to do more, make an effort to sell the drinks, they don't have to have alcohol in them, do they? Also, if you pay the DJ to stay offstage, but you're not busy, and he's struggling to get girls onto the stage, volunteer yourself, do a quick run. It will save him stress running around trying to corral girls, you can make some stage tips, and even feature yourself for potential customers. I used to do this at one club, and the DJ absolutely LOVED me. It was a huge club, and sometimes girls didn't hear their names being called in VIP. Perhaps that will work in your club layout? It will definitely win you brownie points.
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    Default Re: Feel Gulity that I Don't do Enough for Club

    I'm going to walk the tightrope between Kiwi and Exotica. Occasionally you will find a club where the owner and management actually care about the club's dancers ... thus will make efforts to 'work with' the dancers to the mutual benefit of all. Such clubs will waive house fees / private dance splits when times are tough in an effort to 'share the pain'. Such clubs will also show some loyalty to dancers i.e. family problems / health problems / gaining a little weight etc. In such an environment, investing an extra effort to help out the club in tough times will very probably pay 'dividends' if and when good times return.

    Unfortunately, there seem to be a whole lot more clubs who follow the 'what's mine is mine and what's yours will soon be mine as well' business model. These clubs tend to treat dancers as interchangeable spare parts ... thus will fire an existing dancer and hire a new dancer at the slightest excuse ... thus will hire new dancers to gain stage fees even if the club's customer base can't support more dancers ( thus hurting earnings of existing dancers) ... thus will tacitly ( and sometimes actively ) encourage dancers to offer extras in order to increase the club's 'cut' of increased private dance sales etc. With this sort of club business model, as far as extra effort is concerned ... f#@k 'em !!! Even if you do make an extra effort on the club's behalf today, club management is equally likely to shove it up your a$$ tomorrow !

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    Very true, it totally depends on the club. I've worked for several clubs I've absolutely loved, and helping them out just came naturally. If the night was slow, house fee was always waived. If a guy tried to rip me off, and they couldn't pull the money out of his pockets, he was immediately ejected, and my house fees were waived for whatever amount of money he screwed me on.

    As far as coming in more often....well, does this club have trouble getting girls in the door? Because there is no issue with that here, girls are lining up to work every night.

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    I guess because stripping is not my "career" I have that "screw you" mentality when it comes to management. I mean I follow the rules and remain professional, but really I haven't had the best experiences with quality management in this industry. I figure they get enough of my money (40%) so I don't owe them a thing! I'm the one doing all the hard work... they provide a room. I have worked at clubs where you just pay a house fee but again... I don't feel guilty about anything. I have to get naked, I have to put up with grabby hands and dickhead comments. Therefore I should do what I want (within the law and club rules).

    I have a manager that is such a dick he actually tells me who I can and can't approach... He expects me to make a minimum target which I think is fairly high for that club. I hate working for him and thus rarely do.

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    I feel guilty when I don't sell dances and can't tip out the support staff well... Even though we pay a house fee, the club takes half our dance money and everyone has to tip a dollar a dance...

    As long as you're tipping everyone out well, I think you're OK. The only thing that bothers me about girls that come in late is that I don't think it's that fair to the girls who had to get there earlier and hustle while it was either dead or slow.

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    I wouldn't feel Guilty They obviously want you there

    As for the rest of us I wish the clubs would feel guilty when you have a bad night -

    House Fee
    Tip out Fees
    Dance Fees
    Valet Fees

    It costs allot just to get the chance to earn a buck

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    i'm the same way! we have to work either monday or saturday, both nights i dread and can't stand, but right now i'm hating mondays more. basically i've never worked a weekday without working a monday or sat in the 2 yrs i've been at the club. if i miss my mon/sat, i won't work the whole rest of the week. which seems better to me, since that's the eventual punishment if you keep fucking up. i feel like the housemom knows what a pushover i am when it comes to working more days. and right now there's tons of girls and not as much money to be made, so i feel like i'm doing everyone else a favor by not coming in. also i have problems with acne, so i feel like i'm also doing the club a favor by not going in when i look like shit and making the club look bad. none of these things can i say to the housemom or manager though. i'd honestly rather just hand them the $120 some nights than even come in. i know i'm nowhere near losing my job, but if something somehow happened and i did at this club, i think i would quit dancing all together. i think i just need to have more of a backbone like the other girls do.

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    ^Monday or Saturday? What's wrong with Saturdays? lol

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    ^^^ amatuer night. amatuer customers, that is.
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