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    Default A ticking time bomb- Released criminals

    A lot of large states all have the same problem :too many prisoners. All are going to be forced to release some to make room for others. Some states just can't afford to house and feed them.

    Yet another anti-incumbent Governor campaign issue for 2010.

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    ^^^ yup, and remember that the same budget bombs that are forcing the premature release of convicted criminals will also force layoffs / reductions in the number of police !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ yup, and remember that the same budget bombs that are forcing the premature release of convicted criminals will also force layoffs / reductions in the number of police !
    Lol. Remember all the grief I got from Bobby and others when I got a pistol permit and "loaded up" ? Doesn't look so wild and crazy now, does it ?

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    Don't worry, the police will patrol strip club parking lots checking license tags for parole violations.

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    Default Re: A ticking time bomb- Released criminals

    Releasing them worked out SOOOO well in Venezuela. Let's try it here!

    Ugh. Many prisons are stuffed to the gills with ppl on minor drug charges so maybe releasing them would alleviate some of the problem but, they will probably build more prisons with tax dollars (stimulus spending)
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    Default Re: A ticking time bomb- Released criminals

    Frankly, I don't have a problem with people convicted of drug crimes being released early.

    But, their sentences are usually a lot longer than rape or assault, so they probably won't be the lucky ones.

    Maybe a reevaluation of minimum sentences would serve everyone a lot better.

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    Nobody should have to do time for marijuana possession. Many of them are nonviolent and it makes no sense to waste taxpayer's resources when there are more important issues at hand.

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    'puts on moderator's hat again'

    While this thread topic does arguably touch on issues relevant to dancers, it's not really an economic topic beyond the reference to strip club parking lots i.e. that the early release of criminals plus the layoffs in police will probably increase the likelihood of dancers being robbed !

    The only other arguable economic relevance to dancers of marijuana decriminalization could be a huge decrease in the earnings of certain strip club customers !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    The only other arguable economic relevance to dancers of marijuana decriminalization could be a huge decrease in the earnings of certain strip club customers !!!
    In the long run, it would be the other way around. Legalization would lead to the proper regulations.. the people making money would be the horticulturists, entrepreneurs, small business owners, etc. Not gangbangers and street level thugs like now. These are the people that come in and spend benjis on champagne rooms instead of just throwing a couple handfuls of $1s on the floor like the hood rich drug dealers. It's the only thing I can see that would immediately bring this country out of debt.. we would have so much money, like Dubai or something. Imagine what that would do for the economy and money in the clubs!

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    well, if history is any example, the economic effects probably will be far different than you claim. For example, during alcohol prohibition, the price that Americans were willing to pay for booze was astronomical, and the people pocketing the huge profit margin were the international smugglers and US 'retail dealers'.

    But after alcohol was decriminalized, prices dropped like a stone ... killing the profitability of the 'importers' and the 'retail dealers'. In the end, the only people still making major money in the alcoholic beverage industry were the 'licensed' brewery and distillery and winery owners ... although there were average wage paying new jobs created for brewery and distillery and winery workers. If you forecast this forward, the price of weed would drop tremendously if decriminalized, leading to the only remaining serious profits being earned by the 'licensed' growers. These 'licensed' growers already exist, as they already provide product for medicinal use by prescription. But these 'licensed' growers will not be present in every city to spend Benjis ... and neither will the former 'retail dealers'.

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    Circling back on topic, one major concern for SOME dancers in regard to an increase in criminals on the street with a simultaneous reduction in cops is the following ...

    Like the 'retail dealers' mentioned above, some dancers also represent a very tempting target for robberies and burglaries. The reason, in both cases, is that if the cash the criminals took from the 'retail dealer' or dancer was not earned by legitimate means, or wasn't fully documented, or wasn't fully reported to the IRS with taxes paid, the 'retail dealer' or dancer may stand to 'lose' a lot more in the long run if they choose to report the robbery or burglary.

    Think about it. If a dancer is robbed or burglarized, the first question the cops are going to ask is 'how much was taken'. The second question will be 'where did this money come from'. The third question will be 'give me all of your personal information so I can file the report'. In either case, the cop will have gathered more than enough information to file a 'suspicious activity' report on the dancer with the IRS and state tax agency ! This in turn could lead to all sorts of unwanted attention ... and potentially a bill for unpaid income taxes that is 10-100 times higher than the amount of cash that was robbed or stolen !

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    Default Re: A ticking time bomb- Released criminals

    Probably most of them who are released will be druggies. They largely will restart that habit, since they have been punished rather than reformed, because such is our attitude toward any crime. So I'd expect a lot of thefts as they realize that it takes money to get one high.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    They are not putting users in prison anymore. No room (obviously.) They are putting burglars, home invaders, robbers, murders, assaulters, and rapists in prison these days. These people might have a habit, but that doesn't make them a "user" in the context many talk about.

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    If you can't pay your fines and court costs as a user, yes you do end up in jail. Either pay up big money or do time.

    Or if you are on probation for anythimg (DUI, prostitution, drug charges) you get piss tested. A dirty pee sends you back to jail for usually the remainder of your probation. Pot will screw you on this one.

    I say this with the knowledge of a criminal (DUI) and being friends and family of many others.

    Just a side note, most of them are far safer than the perverts who really never ever get busted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittygirl View Post
    If you can't pay your fines and court costs as a user, yes you do end up in jail. Either pay up big money or do time.

    Or if you are on probation for anythimg (DUI, prostitution, drug charges) you get piss tested. A dirty pee sends you back to jail for usually the remainder of your probation. Pot will screw you on this one.

    I say this with the knowledge of a criminal (DUI) and being friends and family of many others.

    Just a side note, most of them are far safer than the perverts who really never ever get busted.
    There is a difference between jail (1 year non-felony/low rated feloney) and prison (multi-year felony). All the reading I have seen is prison releases. These are not prostitutes being released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    There is a difference between jail (1 year non-felony/low rated feloney) and prison (multi-year felony). All the reading I have seen is prison releases. These are not prostitutes being released.
    There have been and will be PRISON releases of convicted FELONS. Including many who pled guilty to lesser offenses and others who were violent and considered to be DANGEROUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    They are not putting users in prison anymore. No room (obviously.) They are putting burglars, home invaders, robbers, murders, assaulters, and rapists in prison these days. These people might have a habit, but that doesn't make them a "user" in the context many talk about.
    But the ones getting out have been there for a while, before or while it got too crowded.

    You know, intellience and good judgement apparently are not absolute requirements for working in the criminal justice system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Circling back on topic, one major concern for SOME dancers in regard to an increase in criminals on the street with a simultaneous reduction in cops is the following ...
    To fit this post into Dollar Den, here's the connection I see...a lot of these released criminals may start coming into clubs where they do things that go back to their criminal ways.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    But the ones getting out have been there for a while, before or while it got too crowded.

    You know, intellience and good judgement apparently are not absolute requirements for working in the criminal justice system.



    To fit this post into Dollar Den, here's the connection I see...a lot of these released criminals may start coming into clubs where they do things that go back to their criminal ways.
    How does this affect Dancers? Your safety, asked to be walked to your car every night, have three or four different routes home, know where safe places like police stations and fire stations are, register your car license plates to a mailbox, learn to watch for a tail, increase your home security.

    Criminal know you have lots of cash, and may not want to report it.

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    Criminal know you have lots of cash, and may not want to report it
    This was my point exactly. If a particular dancer has been attempting to 'fly below the radar', deciding to report a $1000 robbery / burglary to the police may in turn lead to an IRS bill for $10,000+ in unpaid tax liabilities due on unreported dancing income. As such, the dancer may choose to simply 'keep her mouth shut' about the robbery / burglary ... which makes her an ideal low risk high value potential target of robbers and burglars !

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    Those precautions have always been advised here. It could happen by someone who was not recently released.

    Lots of people don't have jobs now, and if they were ever considering a sketchy "profession", now would be the time for them to start practicing it.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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