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    VIPs are more expensive lap dances basically. While the dancers indicate the dances are more intimate and closer, the pressure is on the dancers to provide something more for the customer. Unless something illegal is going on, which is not the purpose of this post, the pressure is actually pretty high.

    As a customer, I likewise, expect more from a VIP, and there is actually a lot of pressure on the customer as well to "enjoy" the dance as quickly and as much as possible. This extra pressure coupled with the pressure the dancer has to provide more bang for the buck leads to a lot of pressure compared to regular lap dances. The dancer usually winds up trying to grind Mr. Johnson off of the customer, and the customer with so much pressure on him, smiles, and endures!

    I find VIPs in general are not enjoyable as a result. I like to relax and just have multiple regular lap dances which for the same cost are more enjoyable, lower pressure, and more relaxing.

    I wanted to know if other customers shared this opinion? Dancers probably won't like this post and not be happy hearing that there are other reasons that customers don't buy VIPs

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    It's an up-sell, but no big deal. Up-sells occur in all kinds of areas of life. The next 5% improvement can cost a lot more. If you don't feel it is worth it don't buy it. Simple, since we are free to choose, and as adults we can say no thanks.

    Actually if you do the math, at least in Vegas, it is comparable to the floor. Figure $20 every 3 minutes, works out to $400 an hour. The main difference is the mandatory bar tab which can be expensive (again, up selling). Is it worth it? Like most things in life the value is whatever we the buyer and seller can agree it is worth.
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    This should be on the Blue side. Most of the posts in CC should be on the Blue side. It's a shame Genwar, CP, Mr Punk and others no longer visit SW.

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    We'll at my club reg. Lapdances are done fully clothes w/o any contact from the custie allowed. Soooo for a cheapo lapdance my clothes are on and u can't touch. Also out in the open.

    In vip its a private room, can be nude, can touch (up to dancer).

    Our club rules sell the vip's for use and we don't have any probs :o)

    Even in diff. Clubs during lapdances I say "are u ready to touch?" And most times the custies walks right out of the lapdance room and up to vip.

    I don't mind selling lapdances tho they're easy as the clubs I work in don't allow contact in them.

    So no I feel no pressure. Custies buy what they want and get what they pay for and I sell a couple vips a night and a couple lapdances.

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    It really depends on the club and the dancer. When I go to see my ATF we do regular dances. Her club has a very private dance area and I go on slow nights so there is not much incentive to doing VIP. I give her a flat sum that equals more than she would get to keep for an hour in VIP and we spend an hour or so in the PD area. She doesn't have to count dances and neither do I. It is very relaxing and a lot of fun. She has told me numerous tmes that she rarely does VIP and it is for precisely the reason that you mentioned. Guys expect more in VIP and she is not an extras girl. She prefers to make her money $20 at a time with no pressure.

    On the other hand, I have another fav at a different club where the standard private dance area is watched very closely. The VIP booths are available in 15 minute increments and actually work out to be a better deal than individual private dances. For this reason-more privacy and a better value-I do VIP in this club.
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    Vips are different in every club. Some are def not worth it. I used to do vip rooms only just becuase it was freedom from worry. I would get agitated when i could read the dancer getting concerned whether or not she was going to make her money. She has no idea what i am going to spend and it just gets that issue out of the way. The concerns would leave and we could just enjoy ourselves. The thing is though i doubt very many dances will be offended if you tell her that you want to take it slow and prefer a couple of dances and then chat, smoke, wutever. There should never be any pressure on either side once the room has been booked. It should relax everyone. What should be expected IMO is one on one time with no interuptions. You have taken care of her need for the hour, so she should give you her attention for the hour(bathroom stops should be made before the hour starts). If you are both respectful of each other it can be a great time. All of this is completely thrown out the window once one of you breaks the rules. I am a firm believer that you never put your hands on a dancer unless she places them or tells you it is ok. Also as long as a customer is not getting stupid on you, the dancer should be focused on him and not try to hustle more UNTIL THE LAST 5 MINUTES. I think more dancers and customers should talk about it. I have had dancer ask me once settled what do you like(i usually just laugh and ask her to play the game of finding my weak points). It really is very enjoyable. I will tell a dancer very quickly if she is hurting me, it is easily done without hurting anyones feelings.

    Keep in mind that with some clubs you are able to negotiate better rates on multiple purchases with a little palmpadding to the right person. I have gotten 4 hours straight before for about 38% of the room cost and 100.00 to the manager. This was a great savings. You can get so much more out of a club if you work one of the managers. I had one bring a table into my lapdance only room when i told him that i would be keeping the two dancers there the whole night and that we really could use it for our stuff and that we would need a waitress to come back to see us. Now i didnt buy dances all night but the dancers knew they were getting paid so everyone was happy at the end and we didnt have to fight the noisy crowd outside. Savings= the cost of the champaigne room for about 4 and half hours minus the 100.00 i gave the manager. Now all that might sound cheap to a few people, but i just feel the rooms are overpriced and prefer to spend that money on dancers or liquor.

    Of course this is much easier done with dancers that know they are going to get paid

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnytwoshoes View Post
    ... This extra pressure coupled with the pressure the dancer has to provide more bang for the buck leads to a lot of pressure compared to regular lap dances. ...
    I've not found this to the the case at all. IMO VIP takes the pressure off. No worries about loosing a dancer to a stage set or having a waitress come over and tell us that another customer would like her attention. The music is usually not as loud in the VIP area, so conversations are easier. Also, the dancer knows that she's getting a chunk of money, and not trying to do one dance in order to sell the next one.

    IMO, the experience is up to the customer and in most cases there really isn't pressure unless a customer exerts it. The dancer is looking to make the experience enjoyable to the customer. It not only benefits her then, but also increases the chances of additional VIP's down the line. If you don't like the way things are going, in this case a dancer who is overly grinding on you, than simply make a polite request. Can't see why a dancer would not agree to stop grinding a customer's junk.
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    My champagne rooms are definitely worth it. I usually do role-playing, cuddling, or back rubs. I like to go into full on geisha mode and pamper the customer.
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    ^^ I do the same. I also find that my 6'4" stature in my heels makes it VERY difficult for me to give dances in our regular floor chairs ( and I won't take my shoes off because I think it's gnarly.). In the VIP we have couches, and I can put one knee on the couch to get closer. Plus, I always emphasize the private aspect- "You can enjoy me in private without having cheapos capitalise off of your dance!" <-- Line of choice, usually.

    OP, I never feel any "pressure". I am confident in my appearance and dancing ability and thus don't feel the need to do any of the things you described.

    I don't do back rubs though. My hands are little so I suck at them and tire of it easily.

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    I've only been pressured by a dancer to go to the VIP room once and she was very direct... She undid my zipper and sexually molested me to show me what I would be getting... I must have said 'no thank you' like five times and she actually started giving me a HJ (despite my protests) on the main floor area to try to get me into the VIP room... It was surreal...

    Except for this one experience, I've never been pressured to go to the VIP room. The clubs I go to have nice private areas for talking and dancing and there is really no non-extras justification for the VIP rooms. I think the only guys that use the VIP room are: (1) guys getting extras and (2) the money-is-no-object sugar-daddies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I've only been pressured by a dancer to go to the VIP room once and she was very direct... She undid my zipper and sexually molested me to show me what I would be getting... I must have said 'no thank you' like five times and she actually started giving me a HJ (despite my protests) on the main floor area to try to get me into the VIP room... It was surreal...
    Woah woah woah? A dancer sexually molested you in a club full of people? She actually had the balls to whip your junk out and start giving you a HJ without your permission? Did you scream? Where were the bouncers? I would have sued and had her arrested for sexual assault! I bet you stayed flaccid the whole time too and had no idea that when she started stroking your shaft she was actually starting to give you a HJ.

    If some stranger started rubbing my private area and I didn't want them to I would shove them off and walk away yelling and screaming, especially with the high risk of picking up a prostitution or lewd conduct charge if there are undercovers nearby.
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    ^^^

    I didn't even think that I could have gotten arrested - wow, you're right! She must have been drunk or high or something... She pulled down my zipper and reached in with her hand - she didn't actually pull it out, though... I'm sure people around us saw what was going on.

    If it ever happens again, I'm going to yell and scream.

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    I want to meet this girl, she gave you a HJ with your penis still inside your pants?! Damn, that's talent.
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    ^^^
    It wasn't that difficult because I was wearing loose fitting slacks with leg room, not tight-fitting jeans. Also, she didn't complete the HJ, it was just a teaser to try to get me into the VIP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    ^^^
    It wasn't that difficult because I was wearing loose fitting slacks with leg room, not tight-fitting jeans. Also, she didn't complete the HJ, it was just a teaser to try to get me into the VIP.
    Girls that do that are so gnarly man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I've only been pressured by a dancer to go to the VIP room once and she was very direct... She undid my zipper and sexually molested me to show me what I would be getting... I must have said 'no thank you' like five times and she actually started giving me a HJ (despite my protests) on the main floor area to try to get me into the VIP room... It was surreal...

    Except for this one experience, I've never been pressured to go to the VIP room. The clubs I go to have nice private areas for talking and dancing and there is really no non-extras justification for the VIP rooms. I think the only guys that use the VIP room are: (1) guys getting extras and (2) the money-is-no-object sugar-daddies.
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    ^^^ Well, it wasn't fun... She was very pretty and I wanted lap dances, yeah... But, she was just hell-bent on getting me into the VIP/Champagne room... I had given the waitress my credit card for drinks and the dancer said she was taking me to the VIP room and to put it in on my card... I said - no, I'm not going into the VIP room... The dancer just ignored me and again repeated to the waitress that we were going into the VIP room... Again, I said no. Then she started with unzipping my fly and the teaser HJ...

    So, I just felt like I was being hustled big time. In the end, I know she lied about the number of dances she gave me, plus she demanded a tip on top of that. The icing on the cake was the attempted guilt trip - she acted very sad and disappointed because I would not take her into the VIP room. She must have needed the money really bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    So, I just felt like I was being hustled big time. In the end, I know she lied about the number of dances she gave me, plus she demanded a tip on top of that. The icing on the cake was the attempted guilt trip - she acted very sad and disappointed because I would not take her into the VIP room. She must have needed the money really bad.
    So did you pay according to her song count and tip her as well? If you did, you are a fool.
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    ^^ Yeah, I think she overcharged me $40 (two dances more than my count) plus I gave her a $10 tip. I wasn't about to get into an argument with her. I was just glad that they didn't charge me for the VIP room on my card. I was really afraid of that, because it all just felt like a bad hustle.

    I don't mind a good and fair hustle, but this one was a bad one.

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    ^^ She sounds like a real gem. Sorry, I think lying about songs and "demanding" tips is tacky, tacky, tacky. I always say "Ok, it's $20 and we always appreciate tips." I'd so only about 50% of customers tip me. But whatevs. It's their discretion and not my right to demand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    So, I just felt like I was being hustled big time. In the end, I know she lied about the number of dances she gave me, plus she demanded a tip on top of that. The icing on the cake was the attempted guilt trip - she acted very sad and disappointed because I would not take her into the VIP room. She must have needed the money really bad.
    Seriously Jack, you need to grow a pair when women like this approach you in a club. It's simply another tactic that some pushier dancers use and it works often enough that they keep doing it. You don't walk into a strip club owing any dancer anything. If you want VIP do VIP if you want regular dances do regular dances, and keep count! I can almost understand you not arguing about the dance count but "demanding" a tip is the stripper equivalent of a child throwing a tantrum...if you ignore it she will stop....
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    ^^
    I have no problem saying no (and do it all the time), but this was really different... I should have screamed and yelled when she unzipped me and started touching me... She was crazy (maybe even drunk or high), I didn't know what she would do if I argued with her...

    Anyway, I actually felt sorry for her. She was really desparate to make money and she probably felt that I owed her a big tip for the "extra" even though I did not ask for it and I did not have a happy ending.

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    ^^that entire story is just so wrong on many levels.....

    VIPs are to be a better experience, more attention, and more FUN. Not pervy rub on my penis fun, but laughing, enjoying and relaxing fun. For that time, you are the center of my world and I will do everything in my power to make sure you get your moneys worth.

    That does NOT mean I have to play with your balls or let you touch my body, that's when VIPs become uncomfortable. When guys come in with the mindset of "I pay you this, I get this" especially after they never asked me before we went to the rooms. I would let you know you weren't getting sex or touching me there if you had asked, so why you have to be a DICK about it and ruin your good time? Because once we have that conversation, he's disappointed and i'm annoyed b/c he can't have a good time with out it and it's awkward.. Sorry you expected all that, but thanks for the money!

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    The sell to VIP has many different methods. The girls that asks right away - never gets me there. The one that dances and does VIP preview and then asks usually get me in there.

    There is one dancer at local club that knows after 3 dances all she has to do is ask and always say - yes - Love that girl and she even better in the VIP !!!

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    I don't feel pressure to provide more bang for the buck in the vip room.

    Usually, I do 8 or so dances in an hour vip, and the money I make sometimes ends up being less than what I would have made selling 8 dances on the floor. Especially if you pay with a credit card. Half of what you're charged is going to the club for the room and champagne, so I don't feel that I need to provide value for that money.

    I don't allow more touching in vip, but it's still better than regular lapdances. The benefits are the same for you as they are for me. I get to relax, enjoy myself, and not worry about hustling, and you get better dances, conversation etc because of it.

    I know that some guys don't think it's worth the money unless they get a gropefest, but I'm not really interested in selling to them anyway. It is what it is. Dudes can buy it or not buy it.
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