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    Default So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?

    This is a vital part of the forum as many dancers don't know how to do their own taxes, how to handle investments, how to get credit as an independent business, but lately all the posts have been about political issues like abortion and the criminal justice system.

    It is possible to start your own political discussions on your SW blog and invite your friends to participate. The political threads are making it difficult for members to find information about money matters that actually effect them directly, topics like credit scores and savings accounts are nowhere in the first couple of pages.

    I like to banter about politics as much as the next person, but I feel that all the political threads in Dollar Den are doing a dis-service to dancers seeking information relevant to their own personal financial issues, not some nebulous effect that a law may or may not have on dancers 5 or 10 years from now.

    What exactly do striking UAW workers have to do with how a dancer manages her money? How does the wealth distribution in NYC matter to a dancer trying to qualify for an apartment? What effect does India buying gold have on the house fees and tax write-offs of strippers and other strip club employees? And of course I'm sure every dancer worries about China imposing tariffs and those thoughts keep her up at night, right?

    Abortion and health care topics belong in Body Business, not necessarily in Dollar Den. I'm getting really annoyed when looking for information about online banks and finding a bunch of political stuff in Dollar Den rendering the forum basically useless to 99% of the members here.

    Sorry to air dirty laundry in public, but apparently my reporting posts of a political nature is being completely ignored. This is a website for and by strippers. Sugar coating a political topic as somehow relevant to dancers with a title like:

    "How are strippers going to react to the new democratic tax and spend bill?"

    Who cares? Basically, most people want to know the micro economics of their industry. You can find macro stuff everywhere. Let's talk about what is personally important to strippers, and leave the political junk in your own personal blogs.


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    Default Re: So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?

    Basically it's the difference between micro and macro economics.

    For a dancer trying to decide WHERE to work, the economic conditions in various cities would probably be very relevant indeed. Likewise for a dancer truying to decide whether to rent an apartment or buy a condo or to buy or lease a car.

    The health care debate is relevant for EVERYONE including dancers because they get sick too. And under all three proposed
    bills they will be COMPELLED to buy insurance.

    Business and economic conditions directly impact dancers. Every dancer I know who was working at the time in NYC pines for the days of Clinton. Why ? Because the economy was dong well and they were making money. But most do not have a clue what was behind such a fruitful economic environment. Except for Melonie, of course. ( Kidding, Kidding. Well for the most part anyway. )

    For any dancer who wants to save, invest or start a business, much of what is posted here is very relevant indeed. For instance, it's very easy for me to advise buying gold. I think it makes more sense, and is more helpful, to explain WHY I think it's a wise thing to do. Especially if a dancer is investing for the long term, then most of what is posted here is again VERY relevant. It is because the government is so intertwined with our economy; because we have a Fed, a Treasury Dept.; an IRS ; state Tax Depts. and a host of regulators that "politics" (EEEK !) has a way of creeping into the discussions.

    But most of all, nobody is compelled to read anything posted here. If it bores you or doesn't interest you, DON'T read it !
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    Default Re: So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?

    I want to find a thread in here about building credit as an independent contractor, and I am about to go hunting. I'm glad you mentioned that. I'm sorry some of my posts and the posts of others have bothered you Paris, I guess I got the wrong impression of the dollar den.

    I will disagree with you that all politically relevant discussions do not benefit dancers in a monetary aspect, particularly about National Healthcare reform. There will be increased taxes and higher fees (co pays and premiums) that dancers should be aware of, particularly because they are self employed.

    Perhaps the lounge is a better suited place for political discussions, or maybe Pryce can add a new political section to the forum?

    I'll try to keep it to a minimum here from now on.
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    Default Re: So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?

    There used to be a political forum here and it always turned into a flame war. I've noticed this is starting to happen to Dollar Den. This is such an important section of this website, but the majority of members stay away from it and tend to ask monetary questions in places like club chat (where dancers can get an idea about regional economies, btw) and stripping general.

    Laurisa, you make an excellent point in stating that you felt that Dollar Den was a place to air political opinions when you said you got the wrong impression of Dollar Den.

    Eric, this site is all about the microeconomics. It is "StripperWeb" not "EverythingWeb". There are hundreds, if not thousands of websites dedicated to general business/ market/ economics on the web. There are maybe a handful of websites dedicated to helping strippers and others in the sex trade.

    Most of the people posting in this forum aren't even current strippers (myself included). Most of the current threads are populated by about a dozen or so people on a site with thousands of members.

    This section could be used by the members for some real and tangible benefits. For instance, if there are online coupons for MAC makeup (or other brand that is useful to strippers), Dollar Den would be the perfect place to post such a thing, but the post ends up in Stripping General, Body Business or The Lounge.

    My point is that Dollar Den has become useless to most of our membership. The membership is concerned about buying stuff, saving money and not getting ripped off.

    All I'm asking is that we get back to the core membership here, and think of their needs. There are personal blogs here that can be used as a personal soapbox for those who are interested in political discussions or in-depth financial analysis. It is obvious that our dancer members really don't care about those things, and just stay away from this section altogether.

    I think it is up to the mods to keep this forum as stripper friendly as possible. If you have only a few actual strippers posting in this section, it may be time to address why they aren't here.


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    Default Re: So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?

    such a good point. Thank you
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    Default Re: So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?

    Just found this post: Camming and Taxes

    Where the poster even states that she isn't sure if it belongs in Dollar Den. Okay, I'll get off my own soapbox now. I'm starting to annoy myself, lol.


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    Default Re: So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    There used to be a political forum here and it always turned into a flame war. I've noticed this is starting to happen to Dollar Den. This is such an important section of this website, but the majority of members stay away from it and tend to ask monetary questions in places like club chat (where dancers can get an idea about regional economies, btw) and stripping general.

    Laurisa, you make an excellent point in stating that you felt that Dollar Den was a place to air political opinions when you said you got the wrong impression of Dollar Den.

    Eric, this site is all about the microeconomics. It is "StripperWeb" not "EverythingWeb". There are hundreds, if not thousands of websites dedicated to general business/ market/ economics on the web. There are maybe a handful of websites dedicated to helping strippers and others in the sex trade.

    Most of the people posting in this forum aren't even current strippers (myself included). Most of the current threads are populated by about a dozen or so people on a site with thousands of members.

    This section could be used by the members for some real and tangible benefits. For instance, if there are online coupons for MAC makeup (or other brand that is useful to strippers), Dollar Den would be the perfect place to post such a thing, but the post ends up in Stripping General, Body Business or The Lounge.

    My point is that Dollar Den has become useless to most of our membership. The membership is concerned about buying stuff, saving money and not getting ripped off.

    All I'm asking is that we get back to the core membership here, and think of their needs. There are personal blogs here that can be used as a personal soapbox for those who are interested in political discussions or in-depth financial analysis. It is obvious that our dancer members really don't care about those things, and just stay away from this section altogether.

    I think it is up to the mods to keep this forum as stripper friendly as possible. If you have only a few actual strippers posting in this section, it may be time to address why they aren't here.
    Yours is definitely the minority view. Whenever someone advocates LESS information instead of more, I just shake my head in mystification. Are you seriously saying that most dancers aren't smart enough to handle many of the topics in "DD" ? The number of dancers posting in an informed way would definitely argue against such a parochial view. The posts show that some dancers are very interested in investing and the various macro-economic forces including ( shhhh politics ) that impact same.

    A post about 'make-up coupons" belongs in Dollar Den ? What 's next ? Tips for supermarket shopping and vintage clothing bargains ? How "micro" do you recommend we get ? However, it might not be a bad idea to set up some sort of "consumer" board where the things that seem to interest you more than investing could be addressed. Why don't you suggest it to Pryce ?

    As for the loss of civility in a few postings: If you notice, on those rare occasions when someone personalizes or name calls, nobody responds in kind. It just gets shrugged off or there's a mild reminder to try and be civil and the discussions continue on their merry way.

    I'm really at a loss to understand how anyone is being inconvenienced or imposed upon by the various topics in Dollar Den. It's been going on this way for years and yours is the first complaint of which I am aware. It seems that you are arguing for a board that just focuses on things that interest you.

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    Default Re: So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post

    It is possible to start your own political discussions on your SW blog and invite your friends to participate.

    Sorry to air dirty laundry in public, but apparently my reporting posts of a political nature is being completely ignored. This is a website for and by strippers. Sugar coating a political topic as somehow relevant to dancers with a title like:
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    Yours is definitely the minority view. Whenever someone advocates LESS information instead of more, I just shake my head in mystification.

    I'm really at a loss to understand how anyone is being inconvenienced or imposed upon by the various topics in Dollar Den. It's been going on this way for years and yours is the first complaint of which I am aware. It seems that you are arguing for a board that just focuses on things that interest you.
    She's not suggesting less information, she's suggesting it be better categorized.

    I think it's an excellent point. Yes, there is the search feature if you know exactly what you're looking for. But it would be helpful to be able to browse through dollar den and find a variety of stripping/money related topics just to help us educate ourselves in things we didn't even know we should know about taxes, audits, etc. If people haven't complained before I think it's because it never occurred to us that this board should be more related to practical, useful, matters that are actually relevant to working in the industry. We've just seen it for what it is and accepted that that's what it was intended to be, but I see now that's probably not the case.
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    Default Re: So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?

    So, Eric, how much do you spend per year on makeup? Where do categorize it on your itemized tax return? Would you like to spend less money on makeup for work? What percentage of your stripper budget do you spend on makeup and hair care and do have any suggestions for increasing your personal profitability by reducing makeup business expenses?

    Oh wait...I forgot, you're not a stripper.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    So, Eric, how much do you spend per year on makeup? Where do categorize it on your itemized tax return? Would you like to spend less money on makeup for work? What percentage of your stripper budget do you spend on makeup and hair care and do have any suggestions for increasing your personal profitability by reducing makeup business expenses?

    Oh wait...I forgot, you're not a stripper.
    Lol. If you only knew. Actuallly I've gone into a cosmetics store and bought make-up for more than one dancer friend. I just did it a few months ago for my current girlfriend. She's a "tan" if you must know. Not the most comfortable experience but my own security and overpowering heterosexuality got me through.

    If you want to post stuff like that in Dollar Den, who is stopping you ? It seems to me that anything that help's a dancer's bottom line is fair game for Dollar Den. All I did was ask you how "micro" you wanted to get ? Whether YOU wanted to draw any lines. Me ? I don't care who posts what where.

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    ^^Good idea. Maybe it'll increase activity by actual strippers in this section.


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    Default Re: So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?

    Eric, I understand your point and why you are defensive but she isn't trying to say anything rude. She's just asking that we get the Dollar Den back on point and start making more useful posts about things that can specifically help dancers, not the general population. (That's why she mentioned forums based around economics and politics). I think she made a good point. I'll be honest, I've spent hours reading threads in here and for a whole day spent time researching and keeping up and it was exhausting. The political language is thick and eventually I unsubscribed to every thread I had posted in because it hurt my brain. That's just me being lazy, not saying it shouldn't be available for everyone to read.

    I guess I'll stay neutral, I'm just playing the Devil's Advocate and trying to look at both sides. I'll stick to my word and keep posts stripper relevant to the best of my ability.

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    As Mod of this section I really do try to walk a tightrope in regard to Dollar Den content retaining a majority of economic / financial / investment / tax content. However, for the past several months, THE major force behind changing economic / financial / investment / tax conditions has in fact been gov't policy related. As such, it really isn't realistic to exclude any economic / financial discussions from Dollar Den because they now contain some element of gov't policy.

    On the other hand, I agree that blatant disregard of economic / financial content in favor of full blown gov't policy discussion does not belong in Dollar Den. While I try to exercise a great deal of restraint ( mostly to avoid potential accusations of exercising 'selective' moderator policy ), on occasion it has been necessary to put on my 'moderator's hat' and clamp down in this regard. It would appear that the thread on potential national health care costs is becoming a candidate in this regard !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    As Mod of this section I really do try to walk a tightrope in regard to Dollar Den content retaining a majority of economic / financial / investment / tax content. However, for the past several months, THE major force behind changing economic / financial / investment / tax conditions has in fact been gov't policy related. As such, it really isn't realistic to exclude any economic / financial discussions from Dollar Den because they now contain some element of gov't policy.

    On the other hand, I agree that blatant disregard of economic / financial content in favor of full blown gov't policy discussion does not belong in Dollar Den. While I try to exercise a great deal of restraint ( mostly to avoid potential accusations of exercising 'selective' moderator policy ), on occasion it has been necessary to put on my 'moderator's hat' and clamp down in this regard. It would appear that the thread on potential national health care costs is becoming a candidate in this regard !
    First of all, I think you do a superb job of moderating. I especially like the way you give latitude but when the discussion gets too political without redeeming economic value, you step in and send everyone to their room to get depoliticized.
    I've been scolded myself once or twice and am none the worse for it.

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    ^^^ thanks for understanding.

    And, as you know, I also try to walk a second tightrope by inserting new Dollar Den content from a variety of foreign and otherwise non-mainstream sources which may or may not be 'neutral'. At the same time I try to leave the door open for other posters to invoke their own 'non-neutral' sources. IMHO this provides the widest playing field for economically related content and discussions ... but also provides the opportunity for said discussions to turn partisan and / or escalate beyond intelligent civil discussion levels. Thus I try to exercise even more restraint re threads in which my own foreign and otherwise non-mainstream sources have been involved. But in the process, I sometimes warrant a 'scolding' of my own ( as Paris has just reminded me !)

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    Melonie, you can scold me any day
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    I totally agree that the threads here should be directly related to stripping. Discussions about gold, Obama, health care, etc, are not directly related to stripper economics. Yes, they are valid discussions, but they affect everyone. They are not stripper specific. Do you go on forums for Moms, Dads, Brides, astronomy, etc and post these threads?

    And to be honest, you should be having those discussions on forums dedicated to those topics since you'll have a wider audience of people who are interested in those topics. If I want to learn more about the relationship of gold to the dollar, I'm not going to look to Dollar Den for the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickT View Post
    I totally agree that the threads here should be directly related to stripping. Discussions about gold, Obama, health care, etc, are not directly related to stripper economics. Yes, they are valid discussions, but they affect everyone. They are not stripper specific. Do you go on forums for Moms, Dads, Brides, astronomy, etc and post these threads?

    And to be honest, you should be having those discussions on forums dedicated to those topics since you'll have a wider audience of people who are interested in those topics. If I want to learn more about the relationship of gold to the dollar, I'm not going to look to Dollar Den for the answer.
    The only problems I have with this pov is that economics DIRECTLY affects every dancer and dancers do more than just dance. Understanding the economy and who is making money where seems to me to be integral to making money as a dancer. More importantly, I know a lot of ex-dancers. The lucky ones retired with a nice nest egg. A good number went into another business and some even started their own . I agree that the thrust of the forum ought to be helping dancers make money and then spend or invest it wisely. "Dancerwealth" is no longer here. "Hustle Hut" is limited to making money INSIDE the club and is strictly from the dancer's pov.

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    Yes, having a well rounded understanding of the economy will protect dancers from living above their means and blowing all their money under the assumption that it is never ending. That is a myth because unlike nurses and dentists, dancers get old and generally cannot work into their late fifties and sixties. They spend and don't save, which puts them at a disadvantage because they don't plan for what they will do/how they will survive when the day comes that they can't shake that ass and make bank. The posts in the dollar den are generally useful, Paris is just referring to ones that are completely off topic like the increasing number of threads about Health Care. (Some of my threads are an example of this). People took the thread I posted yesterday way off topic because I mentioned socialism, and that thread was pretty off topic in relation to strippers anyway.
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    ^^^ NickT, while I respect your point, I cannot agree with it entirely ... for the following reason. Being a 'serious professional dancer' is analogous to being a professional athlete. As such, instead of a 40+ year career arc, you're looking at earning a comparatively large amount of money in a comparatively small number of peak earnings potential years.

    One side effect of this is that any full time dancer is likely to immediately find herself in a comparatively high tax bracket. Thus a knowledge and understanding of applicable taxes ( and by implication the forces that would change / increase those applicable taxes ) is increasingly important when it comes to dancers 'preserving' the fruits of their labors.

    Another side effect of this is that any full time dancer is likely to find herself in possession of a rapidly growing nest egg ... well at least that SHOULD be the case once the dancer has taken care of more basic economic priorities i.e. paying down high interest rate debts and saving up an 'emergency' fund. Thus a knowledge and understanding of investment classes ( and by implication the forces that would affect those investment classes ) is increasingly important when it comes to dancers preparing for their post-dancing futures !

    Discussions of 'immediate need' economic issues such as tax filing procedures, valid tax deductions, property / apartment lease and rental issues, student loans, car loans, credit cards etc. are admittedly important. But IMHO excluding farther reaching issues such as probable performance of different investment classes, legal high bracket tax avoidance strategies etc. does many full time dancers a huge dis-service.

    Also, as Eric pointed out, in many areas an in-depth understanding of local economic forces at work are an invaluable 'yardstick' re dancer earnings potential. Case in point - news stories that Wall St. is going to be paying out huge bonuses again this year DIRECTLY impacts NYC dancers, as well as other dancers who are considering travelling to 'greener pastures'. Similarly, news stories in regard to the UAW - GM / Chrysler may have a direct impact on Michigan / Ohio dancers. And news stories in regard to California income tax withholding increases may have a direct impact on California dancers.

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    I think it's appropriate to give general advice such as: "It's important to learn about investing." But I don't think it's appropriate in this forum to give specific investment advice or try to persuade someone about which political standpoint is right. People should come to their own conclusions about those matters. If someone takes your advice to buy XYZ, they are doing so because you said so, not necessarily because they understand why. And this forum is not the right place to educate someone as to why XYZ is the right investment for them. There are much better forums for those types of topics.

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    ^^^ if you check the 'stickies' you find that handing out unsolicited investment advice / promoting specific investments is NOT an appropriate Dollar Den activity. There is a specific disclaimer that all opinions re investment classes are personal 'amateur' opinions.

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    Default Re: So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by NickT View Post
    I think it's appropriate to give general advice such as: "It's important to learn about investing." But I don't think it's appropriate in this forum to give specific investment advice or try to persuade someone about which political standpoint is right. People should come to their own conclusions about those matters. If someone takes your advice to buy XYZ, they are doing so because you said so, not necessarily because they understand why. And this forum is not the right place to educate someone as to why XYZ is the right investment for them. There are much better forums for those types of topics.
    You have it exactly backwards. The reason that many pro athletes & other entertainers go bankrupt after their careers end is because they weren't ever in an environment where prudent financial choices were practiced and explained. I suspect a lot of young women here are in the same boat as their young male counterparts.

    What makes their situation especially difficult is that these may be the most jaded people on earth. Strippers work in an often shady environment where lots of people - especially men - are trying to exploit them in one way or another. This forum provides a semi-safe place for women to talk about the fundamentals of financial planning with each other.

    If you think that a lot of strippers are going to hire an accountant/lawyer to straighten them out, then you may be missing the point altogether.

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    But then why does the first page of Dollar Den have all the threads listed below? More than 90% are generic political/financial in nature. I don't think this is the right forum for these discussions. They are interesting to read, but they aren't primarily relevant to strippers. They are valid discussions, but they are relevant to everyone.

    I feel this forum would provide a better purpose if the bulk of the threads were directly related to the financial situations of strippers.


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    one definition of insanity ... doing more of the same but expecting different results
    This is some SCARY news re coming US interest rates / inflation ...
    A ticking time bomb- Released criminals
    striking grocery workers - this should be interesting !
    Death of the Land of Opportunity
    UAW out to kill Ford ?
    weekend commentary - "The Financial World Changed This Week"
    more 'stealth' protectionism ... US imposes tariffs on Chinese steel
    US Banks to Become A Dumping Ground for US Treasuries?
    US gov't may become largest 'landlord' ...
    is our economy recovering ? - crash of 1920 versus crash of 1929
    chart of the week - average US working hours
    sneaking by US media - India buys 200 TONS of gold with it's US dollars
    weekend commentary - ' Happy Christmas - Cold Turkey Time '
    Roubini - New Dollar Carry Trade is a Disaster in the Making ...
    Wealthy and middle class fleeing from NY
    update on home ownership vs renting ... or how to save $1000 a month by 'walking away
    WSJ's Peggy Noonan finally gets to the heart of America's economic problems
    Health Reform Sausage Making
    Who thinks the recession is over ?
    US Economy grew at estimated 3.2%
    WHY stimulus hasn't and won't work.

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    Default Re: So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    One side effect of this is that any full time dancer is likely to immediately find herself in a comparatively high tax bracket. Thus a knowledge and understanding of applicable taxes ( and by implication the forces that would change / increase those applicable taxes ) is increasingly important when it comes to dancers 'preserving' the fruits of their labors.

    Another side effect of this is that any full time dancer is likely to find herself in possession of a rapidly growing nest egg ... well at least that SHOULD be the case once the dancer has taken care of more basic economic priorities i.e. paying down high interest rate debts and saving up an 'emergency' fund. Thus a knowledge and understanding of investment classes ( and by implication the forces that would affect those investment classes ) is increasingly important when it comes to dancers preparing for their post-dancing futures !

    Discussions of 'immediate need' economic issues such as tax filing procedures, valid tax deductions, property / apartment lease and rental issues, student loans, car loans, credit cards etc. are admittedly important. But IMHO excluding farther reaching issues such as probable performance of different investment classes, legal high bracket tax avoidance strategies etc. does many full time dancers a huge dis-service.

    Also, as Eric pointed out, in many areas an in-depth understanding of local economic forces at work are an invaluable 'yardstick' re dancer earnings potential. Case in point - news stories that Wall St. is going to be paying out huge bonuses again this year DIRECTLY impacts NYC dancers, as well as other dancers who are considering travelling to 'greener pastures'. Similarly, news stories in regard to the UAW - GM / Chrysler may have a direct impact on Michigan / Ohio dancers. And news stories in regard to California income tax withholding increases may have a direct impact on California dancers.
    Although I agree with all of this, it seems that indepth discussions of Wall St, UAW and California income tax has rendered this section essentially useless to the majority or members.

    I don't know about you, but my financial education through grade 12 had more to do with calculating the per ounce price of widgets in an algebraic expression than anything that can be used in real life. I'd be willing to bet if you ask most Americans "What is money?" they'll point at coins or bills or their paychecks, but really have no idea what money really represents. That's because it isn't taught as a part of public education.

    Today alone I found tax questions in SG and Other Work, a question about tip outs and house fees in Stripping General, and a question about the economy in Newbies.

    I'll post a poll in the lounge to see what people would like to read about in Dollar Den (I just won't say that's the appropriate forum) and see what kind of response we get.


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