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    My friend and I were at a club the other night for several hours. We tipped more than anyone in the club, and they even pulled me onstage and stripped me. (and offered me a job, lol) It was busy, but the local school had run out of power so it was just a bunch of broke college kids looking for a warm place. We were never approached the whole night. Many girls looked at us but walked by. I had to put a handful of ones in the air and wave them at a girl for her to even get close. She took the money and walked away. WTF? That was Saturday. We figured that it was just the crowd that put the girls in a poor mood.

    We tried again Sunday. Had about $700 to spend. (my friends money, not mine) We were the first to arrive and it took two hours to get a girl to get onstage. We didn't tip her while she was up there cause we were talking, (she didn't strip, and we weren't sitting at the stage but grabbing drinks) but when she got off I took a handful of ones and tried to chase her down. I RAN, yes, RAN my fat ass across the club holding money trying to catch this girl, even calling her name. She just wouldn't stop.

    So, we move to the stage and tip every girl thereafter, even paying one to sit down and take a break on stage since we were the only ones watching. Still, no one offered a dance. They all sat at the bar. Finally, a waitress came by and we asked her about VIP. Basically, she told us she didn't know a thing but would ask the manager. She came back, said she talked to him, but still didn't know anything about it.

    So we get a dancer to explain VIP. She told prices per 30 minutes and per 60 minutes, and then said my friend wouldn't get much attention at all since I'm female and he's not. We all but said "We want VIP with you!" 2 minutes into the conversation, she says, "I'll be at the bar if you guys decide you want it. Just let me know what dancer." And she left.

    What. The. Fuck.

    Am I wrong to expect a little offering here? 40 girls and not one approached us. I feel like the cover charge and the couple hundred we spent in tips was not well spent.

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    Default Re: Girls walk away from VIP?

    Wanted to add, we were BOTH tipping and I was keeping my body language very relaxed and open, sending all the signals I could that any girl was welcome.

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    I think part of this story is missing. The OP might not even know which part is missing (policy against females in VIP?), but there is definately more information that hasn't been revealed.


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    I'm pretty sure girls were allowed in VIP. She told me that if the three of us went to VIP, I'd get all the attention and my male friend would be pretty much ignored because that's just "how it is."

    I've pretty much covered the whole night in my post so I'm not sure what could be missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaCera Fenella View Post
    My friend and I were at a club the other night for several hours. We tipped more than anyone in the club, and they even pulled me onstage and stripped me. (and offered me a job, lol) It was busy, but the local school had run out of power so it was just a bunch of broke college kids looking for a warm place. We were never approached the whole night. Many girls looked at us but walked by. I had to put a handful of ones in the air and wave them at a girl for her to even get close. She took the money and walked away. WTF? That was Saturday. We figured that it was just the crowd that put the girls in a poor mood.

    We tried again Sunday. Had about $700 to spend. (my friends money, not mine) We were the first to arrive and it took two hours to get a girl to get onstage. We didn't tip her while she was up there cause we were talking, (she didn't strip, and we weren't sitting at the stage but grabbing drinks) but when she got off I took a handful of ones and tried to chase her down. I RAN, yes, RAN my fat ass across the club holding money trying to catch this girl, even calling her name. She just wouldn't stop.

    So, we move to the stage and tip every girl thereafter, even paying one to sit down and take a break on stage since we were the only ones watching. Still, no one offered a dance. They all sat at the bar. Finally, a waitress came by and we asked her about VIP. Basically, she told us she didn't know a thing but would ask the manager. She came back, said she talked to him, but still didn't know anything about it.

    So we get a dancer to explain VIP. She told prices per 30 minutes and per 60 minutes, and then said my friend wouldn't get much attention at all since I'm female and he's not. We all but said "We want VIP with you!" 2 minutes into the conversation, she says, "I'll be at the bar if you guys decide you want it. Just let me know what dancer." And she left.

    What. The. Fuck.

    Am I wrong to expect a little offering here? 40 girls and not one approached us. I feel like the cover charge and the couple hundred we spent in tips was not well spent.

    Sad fact, most dancers are soured on women customers. That being said, if one blatantly offered VIP, I'd be up for it as long as they didn't try to make out with the side of my face like they usually do.

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    I would've done a VIP with you ONLY AFTER it was made clear to me that YOU wanted to. Otherwise I would have ignored you. I have had notoriously bad experiences with female customers. They're not ones Im looking to repeat. Unfortunately you get a bad rap the instant you set foot ITC simply bc you're female. Most females are not SC friendly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    I would've done a VIP with you ONLY AFTER it was made clear to me that YOU wanted to. Otherwise I would have ignored you. I have had notoriously bad experiences with female customers. They're not ones Im looking to repeat. Unfortunately you get a bad rap the instant you set foot ITC simply bc you're female. Most females are not SC friendly.
    Agreed. Though I get it that the OP had no bad intentions, you're walking into the club with stereotypes sticking out of the top of your head.

    I pretty much NEVER approach young boy/girl pairs in the club. Younger people tend to not like me, tend to not have any money (they just want to talk to me about the job), tend to be much more critical, and tend to expect extras. Plus, like JayATee, I've given way too many dances to girls where she's sitting there scared shitless, looking like she wants to tear me a new one for being sexier than she is, and her boyfriend is completely oblivious.

    Obviously, OP, you aren't like these stereotypical customers. But from a dancer's perspective, these dances aren't usually worth the drama they create.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    Agreed. Though I get it that the OP had no bad intentions, you're walking into the club with stereotypes sticking out of the top of your head.
    A lot of us hate people who stereotype strippers, yet it's okay to stereotype customers? No matter what you think about female customers, if they're becoming a source of money, you should take advantage of that.

    Isn't it worth at least trying? I was handing money out left and right and was the one to talk to the girl, making it clear that everything was okay.

    No matter what, guy or girl, you take a chance when you approach. So a lot of girls are rigid around strippers. A lot of guys are too. There's ten times more guys in a club than girls, so there's more room for success, but still, you happen across guys who are just as much an asshole as some of these girls are.

    If I had sat there staring them down, I would understand. But I wasn't. I made it obvious, through verbal and nonverbal communication, that I was there to spend money.

    Also, didn't mention earlier, but the Saturday we were there, there was almost as many women as guys there and it didn't seem like a new thing. This place seemed somewhat couple friendly.

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    I would have happily danced for you. For all the girls that refuse females, young people, and couples, I will SWOOP in and work that shit.

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    The girls have pretty much said everything I wanted to say. I would not have turned down the room, b/c once I saw you were involved and interested, I would have been in VIP with you! But, I work at a club with a lot of female customers and when the women are involved, it is great b/c so many of them do sit there with a sour face (hateful BITCHES!). You have to work with them b/c there are SO many women customers in my club. Also, I've had MANY VIP rooms with couples/mixed groups, so I don't underestimate them. It does tend to be harder, but I'll take what I can get nowadays..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaCera Fenella View Post
    A lot of us hate people who stereotype strippers, yet it's okay to stereotype customers? No matter what you think about female customers, if they're becoming a source of money, you should take advantage of that.
    You really can't say this. No it's not ok to stereotype. However ITC is a completely different world. It can be a very hostile environment for us to work in. Sometimes it's not stereotyping. It's self preservation. If I went through what female customers have done to me you might not wonder so much why you get ignored. Unfair? Maybe for the women who are really there to have a good time, but that's life.
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    It is very possible that a lot of them are hostile because of the vibes coming from the dancer.

    I'm not saying waste your time and kiss the ass of every single female customer, but don't punish the next one for what the last one did.

    I understand what you guys are saying though, and I'm not underestimating what you've been through.

    For me, I don't smoke, don't drink, don't like regular clubs, and tend to be a bit of a loner. When I feel like socializing, I go to strip clubs and try to let someone profit from my social mood.

    Just please, even if you don't want to work for couples, at least smile and say hi when you walk past. We're not all angry, hateful, insecure, jealous bitches.

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    Could be vibes, but I personally send those out because every single time- and I do mean EVERY TIME- I have danced for a female I get mauled. So it's kind of like if every single time I went on the highway I got in a car crash- I'd eventually quit going on the highway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaCera Fenella View Post
    Isn't it worth at least trying?
    No. Not usually.
    Usually trying just gets you a dirty look and some obnoxious or blatantly rude response that completely kills your mood.
    Even smiling when you walk past normally gets you some form of obnoxious response. Especially when it's a lady customer there with a male.

    You said you all but told her you wanted a VIP with her... but you didn't actually tell her. Generally speaking... if someone is asking about VIP... if they want one they'll say "Well let's go do that!" after they find out about it. She might've just thought you weren't interested in getting one with her because you never said "I'd like a dance from you".
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    This:

    "She told prices per 30 minutes and per 60 minutes, and then said my friend wouldn't get much attention at all since I'm female and he's not."

    Didn't make sense to me...?



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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaCera Fenella View Post
    A lot of us hate people who stereotype strippers, yet it's okay to stereotype customers?
    So we should keep approaching female customers, even if we know from experience that the vast majority of the time it is unprofitable at best, and gets downright ugly at worst? We should overlook the types that have "good customer" written all over then to spend time with people we rarely get money from, and frequently get a lot of drama from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATee View Post
    You really can't say this. No it's not ok to stereotype. However ITC is a completely different world. It can be a very hostile environment for us to work in. Sometimes it's not stereotyping. It's self preservation. If I went through what female customers have done to me you might not wonder so much why you get ignored. Unfair? Maybe for the women who are really there to have a good time, but that's life.
    Yes. Unfortunately, in this business, I (and presumably others) make money off of stereotypes.

    Mexicans and Indians like pussy. White boys like asses. Asians don't like me. Black people like me but don't spend money on me. Girls with their boyfriends don't spend money on me (and I should be hustling the white 50 year old sitting alone in the corner instead).

    After hustling enough people and doing enough dances, these generalizations have paid off. However, I leave them at the door when I go home.

    You really shouldn't take it personally. I agree 100% that it isn't right to do this. And trust me, if a girl/guy couple in the club show mutual interest in me, I LOVE dancing for them! However, I tend to generally avoid them.
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    LCF,

    I'm a regular female clubgoer, and I haven't run into the ignore thing for a very long time, and I know why. First off, I found that whenever I went to a club with a guy friend, I became half of the dreaded "couple" which was the kiss of death as far as dancers were concerned (as you can see from the posts here). The only way we ever got any attention was for me to ask the dancer during her set on stage (while I was generously tipping her, of course) to come see "us" for dances. You have to specifically ask for dances, not just make small talk. Seven out of ten times they came by. Once the other dancers saw us spending some coin, they started coming over on their own. But I really had to establish myself as a "friendly one" before they felt comfortable coming by. Once we established ourselves as regular spenders in that particular club (by visiting several times), the dancers were actually glad to see us! Imagine that!

    Nowadays, I prefer to club alone, and being alone tells the dancers that I am there to see them & spend money, so I have no problem getting approached. AAMOF, at some clubs I frequent often, I find I have to turn down more girls than I like . But the cash just goes so far.

    Anyways....not sure if any of that helped, but don't give up on SC's. I have yet to find a club that didn't have at least one dancer that was girl-custie friendly. The hardest part is establishing yourself as one of the good ones. After that it's cake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsClaireVoyant View Post
    This:

    "She told prices per 30 minutes and per 60 minutes, and then said my friend wouldn't get much attention at all since I'm female and he's not."

    Didn't make sense to me...?


    To me, it was a poor move on her part. She basically said that even though he's paying, he wouldn't the majority of the attention simply because he's the guy in the picture. She said she'd give me the dances and play with me and he could be present. (after I explained we weren't a couple and I specifically said I'm not the 'jealous gf')

    It seems like poor hustling. I think she was trying to make me feel like I wouldn't be pushed aside, but I think she wouldv'e been better off trying to treat us as one customer... by that I mean talking about things she would do for "us" versus singling me out.

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    I've happily danced for women, and would purposely seek out the neglected customers in the clubs I worked for, as I quickly discovered how profitable it can be! Just because a customer was female or of another nationality or ethnicity most of the girls would label them as non-spenders and/or looking for extras, so they would avoid those customers.

    I did encounter clubs with unofficial rules against female customers. Of course they were allowed entrance, and served drinks etc. but management would strongly discourage the girls from doing business with female clientele. If I was dancing for a female customer, the floorman would let me know how it is frowned upon and that I may have a hard time making a schedule in the future if I continue to "encourage" business from women.

    These were clubs in highly conservative mid-western cities. I went to Vegas and made a ton of money from women and couples in the clubs there. You may try a club closer to a University or in a more liberal region of your county.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaCera Fenella View Post
    To me, it was a poor move on her part. She basically said that even though he's paying, he wouldn't the majority of the attention simply because he's the guy in the picture. She said she'd give me the dances and play with me and he could be present. (after I explained we weren't a couple and I specifically said I'm not the 'jealous gf')

    It seems like poor hustling. I think she was trying to make me feel like I wouldn't be pushed aside, but I think she wouldv'e been better off trying to treat us as one customer... by that I mean talking about things she would do for "us" versus singling me out.
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    You had a bad experience at the club, we all do. My SO and I were ignored by girls once at my own damn club. Shake it off and try again.

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