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    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...5_WHwD9C1C4O80

    In short they want the rich to be taxed more. Interesting article, with fairly conclusive results.

    But I want a breakdown on just "who" voted for what alternates; in short another poll needs to be done with more paticipants in order to get statistically valid breakdowns.

    This is related to dancers as many of them have no insurance and yet they perform predominantly as contractors in a physically intensive business. If they cannot take care of themselves when something expensive comes up, things can really go to $Hell fast. So healthcare and insurance can be very important.

    This may be a general issue, but so then is how to finance a car, which is a common topic in DD.
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    Default Re: Poll on How Americans Want to Pay for Health Insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...5_WHwD9C1C4O80

    In short they want the rich to be taxed more. Interesting article, with fairly conclusive results.

    But I want a breakdown on just "who" voted for what alternates; in short another poll needs to be done with more paticipants in order to get statistically valid breakdowns.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the "rich" support this. Obama won among voters with graduate degrees. One of the biggest expenses for small businesses is health insurance; small business owners theoretically should support this.

    I'm all for it, and I'm pretty sure they have me in mind for the tax hike.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if the "rich" support this. Obama won among voters with graduate degrees.
    Trying to bring this thread back into a financial focus ...



    (snip)"More than 14,700 Americans with secret offshore bank accounts applied for a recently closed federal tax leniency program, part of a crackdown on international tax evasion, IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman said Tuesday.

    A "flood" of tax evaders applied in the days before the program's Oct. 15 deadline, taking advantage of IRS guarantees they generally would not face criminal prosecution if they agreed to pay back taxes, interest and reduced civil penalties.

    Shulman said the applications, combined with 4,450 American accounts at Swiss banking giant UBS that are being disclosed under recent court settlements, will generate "billions of dollars" in new federal income.

    Although the leniency program has ended, Shulman encouraged those with hidden offshore assets to continue to come forward and talk with the IRS. "It will be much worse for them if we find them first," he said.

    The rush of applicants for leniency represents a big "win" for Americans who routinely pay their taxes, says Shulman, because the previously secret account owners will pay federal taxes for years to come.

    "We have now gained access to thousands of taxpayers and bank accounts that we have never had before," Shulman said, adding that the IRS-Justice Department crackdown shows "we are serious about piercing the veil of bank secrecy" some Americans have used to hide assets offshore.

    Shulman and other IRS officials say applicants for the agency's voluntary disclosure program had accounts ranging from just over $10,000 to more than $100 million. Applicants hailed from more than 70 countries and every continent except Antarctica."(snip)

    (snip)"UBS is now notifying the 4,450 of its American account holders that their financial data will be disclosed to U.S. authorities. The IRS on Tuesday for the first time disclosed the legal criteria used to determine which of those accounts will be disclosed.

    The owners include Americans in the 50 states who directly or indirectly held secret accounts worth more than one million Swiss francs any time between 2001 and 2008 for which "tax fraud or the like" is suspected.

    Similarly targeted are Americans living anywhere who owned "offshore company accounts" similarly linked to suspected tax fraud.

    According to the U.S.-Swiss settlement, the criteria for suspected tax fraud includes Americans who used third-party intermediaries or conduits such as calling cards or debit cards to transfer money or conduct trading through the secret accounts while hiding their identities."(snip)


    ... put very simply, it was an arguably easy thing for 'rich' Americans to support policies that will increase official tax rates on the 'rich' when those 'rich' Americans were able to employ tax shelters, anonymous offshore accounts etc. to avoid actually having to pay those higher official tax rates ! But now that the IRS is opening 'branch offices' in a whole bunch of 'tax haven' foreign countries, such that the existance of anonymous offshore accounts no longer provides 'immunity' from official tax rates, it remains to be seen how 'rich' Americans will actually react !

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    Default Re: Poll on How Americans Want to Pay for Health Insurance

    People who owe taxes should pay them. It just cheats the rest of us to do pay. Who is the informer working next to you?
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Circling back to the original topic. Under the current Hose Plan Medicaid will have to expand AND they will have to increase reimbursement to get Doctors to see Medicaid patients. 60% of U.S. doctors don't take Medicaid. 40% don't take Medicare. The U.S. is facing a serious doctor shortage and it will get worse as doctors pack up and leave the country or leave the profession.
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    Doctors, like the rest of us, may well have to consider reeling in their lifestyles. They have often been living beyond 'reasonable' means too.
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    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    Doctors, like the rest of us, may well have to consider reeling in their lifestyles. They have often been living beyond 'reasonable' means too.
    What is THAT based on ? Most doctors today start practicing under a mountain of DEBT. 4 years of medical school can cost $200,000 and UP ! ( In state residents at an in state medical school get the low end.)

    Some Board certified specialists make high six figure incomes and even seven figure but most are struggling like most other professionals. They have to pay rent, hire a staff, pay often huge malpractice premiums and fight with insurers to get paid.

    I have health insurance and there is wide disconnect between what the doctor bills and what he or she gets paid. Sometimes it's less than 50%. That's why many doctors in Manhattan don't take private insurance and won't see Medicaid and Medicare patients.

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    This is not unlike other startup businesses, except that it is money invested in education, rather than bricks and mortar. Doctors having a hard time makes my heart bleed. Almost as much as when I hear that the majority of personal bankruptcies occur because of healthcare costs.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    This is not unlike other startup businesses, except that it is money invested in education, rather than bricks and mortar. Doctors having a hard time makes my heart bleed. Almost as much as when I hear that the majority of personal bankruptcies occur because of healthcare costs.
    Is it the doctors who are causing those bankruptcies or the system as a whole ?

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    Default Re: Poll on How Americans Want to Pay for Health Insurance

    Another AP Poll: Support for curbs on malpractice lawsuits

    The survey was conducted by Stanford University with the nonprofit Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. Many people feel that these lawsuits drive up healthcare costs (malpractice insurance). Many feel that a more negligent doctor will be punished by his/her carrier by higher rates/cancellation will be less likely to become negligent.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/..._0RGQD9C2IB3O0

    Sems to me there are two issues: doctors should or should not be sued over whatever they define as malpractice and if sued what should the punishment cover and should there be standards for that coverage ?
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

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    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    the current bill on offer has a cosmetic surgery tax. very interesting implications for strippers.

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    ^^^ indeed, the Senate Bill includes a new 5% overall surtax on cosmetic surgery.

    But it also includes a new tax on 'medical devices' ... from breast implants all the way down to tampons.

    Additionally, the Senate Bill also includes a new tax on 'employers' ... which would arguably translate into a new tax on self-employed independent contractor dancers who choose not to purchase health insurance. It's not clear whether or not this will wind up being a double whammy i.e. self-employed people who choose not to purchase health insurance being hit once as an 'employer' and hit again as an 'individual' - in a manner similar to Social Security / medicare tax.

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    wow, you certainly don't hear the dkos brigade talking about that tax on tampons...

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