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    A very dear friend of mine wrote about his feelings on our business dealing with China recently. I thought many of you would find this interesting:

    http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/...tion-in-china/

    (snip) Next time a liberal far left environmentalist touts collectivism remember these pictures. China avoids international climate change treaties for good reason---to sustain it's dirty, oppressive authoritarian mutated Communist regime that is underwritten by American consumer's desires for cheap goods. Even if the United States met the treaties' goals, it would make little to no difference in the climate at exorbitant damage to the U.S economy.

    While China is an interesting country (a unique capitalist/communist hybrid), its state directed capitalism which has proven to be very successful throughout the world. The problem is that it only works when moving people from subsistance incomes (like $500 a year) to middle class ($5,000-$8,000)

    Even the Soviet Union in the 50's and 60's was able to create some wealth in a centrally planned economy.

    Early stage economies dont have to innovate much to create wealth. All they have to do is add more capital to increase labor productivity (and copy wealthy nations innovations.) Its later when they have to become innovative themselves that the state led system breaks down. This is exactly what happened to Japan and the Soviet Union. Other than a few international companies (toyota, sony, etc..) it has not been able to innovate enough to continues to create wealth as it became richer.

    China will suffer the same fate in 10-20 years if it does not lessen the power of the state. The problem with the United States funding the Communist-Capitalist regime of China is that you don't trade communist regimes into democracies. Our trade deficit with China has made it rich and funds its ever stronger and more technically capable military. Meanwhile, its human rights record and record of cooperating with the United States to advance freedom around the world is dismal.

    Why is this important? Well our funding of the China regime has created a competitor for the United States for the world's crude oil that it has never had before. Indirectly America's desires for China's cheap goods made by its oppressed cheap labor work force could very well cause a high level of inflation in the USA as the current Chinese model to create these cheap goods with cheap labor does not work without cheap energy.

    It is going to be a worldwide auction with China bidding up prices all over the globe while the U.S continues to not go after domestic reserves that are some of the largest in the world.

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    And terrifying.
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    Truly terrifying, and disturbing. And feel unbelievably ashamed of the luxuries that are practically given to me... And here I complain about cigarette smoke

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    Don't blame yourself, the Chinese govt is to blame.

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    We are to blame as well for turning a blind eye, there is no excuse for our passiveness.
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    This is just one of the reasons why cap-and-tax is such a pointless idea.
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    Wow. I'm speechless.

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    The most ironic part is that how big the ''Green Movement" is in America. Everyone is running out to purchase "green friendly" products. Vespas, Toyota Prius's, recycled glass windows, etc. I'm not even going to go into carbon emissions and how beef is one the highest carbon emitting sources on our planet, and that the best way to help with global warming is to quit eating beef and buying bovine products, not going out to buy the latest trendy hybrid car (which increases even more demand for these Chinese factories).

    I guess what I'm trying to say is, Keep on driving your Prius and recycling your plastic because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, as long as you go have a nice steak dinner afterwards.
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    ^^^ I would also point out that the trendy hybrid cars you mentioned are a major factor in creating Chinese pollution !!! It seems that something like 93% of the world's entire supply of the 'rare earth' elements needed to manufacture highly efficient electric motors and generators are mined, refined, and processed in China. Thus while hybrid / electric cars, wind generators etc. may be locally 'green friendly' within the USA, on a worldwide basis they are actually quite 'brown'.

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    as to 'helping out with global warming', apparently some computer hackers provided a LOT of help on that subject this week !

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    That is so upsetting.





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    Theoretically I understand your point.

    Having lived in China, it's not so easy.

    They work so damn hard for a living to have what we have.

    Yes, it pollutes, but so did the West in the 50', 60's and 70's. Who are we to deny others what we did ourselves.

    Our good life is the product of destruction too.

    Some may want to just blame their government, but it's ironically "super capitalist" not communist.

    Remember the A-Bomb we dropped and the resulting worldwide increase in radiation that persists to this day (gee I wonder why cancer has blown up). And meet Japanese kids who have no ill will - the world is crazy, but the US is so far from sane.

    Everyone in China wants a car, just one per family, far from our excess. Who are we to deny them?

    I say this all hypothetically, because it's a philospohical point. I won't deny people that bust their ass for less than our standard of living (not necessarily due to the regime). We got here on the backs of others and their environment too.

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    When I say blame the chinese govt, not yourself, what I mean to say is, the govt there would impose regulations that could prevent this but they choose not to. We should not blame ourselves not capitalism or any other such ridiculous crap. They are choosing to sacrifice their people for power and that is THEIR fault, not ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    I guess what I'm trying to say is, Keep on driving your Prius and recycling your plastic because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, as long as you go have a nice steak dinner afterwards.
    I eat brown rice and beans so it it OK to to have a Mustang GT? It was not made in China.

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    i have no clue about what a hard life is.

    how could we let this happen! to our very own


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