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    Wishing everyone on Stripperweb a wonderful Thanksgiving.

    This year , more than most it might not be so easy to feel thankful. But if you have a home, a family and a job with enough to eat, you are better off than a lot of other people. Try to donate to a soup kitchen or food pantry if you can. Even if you just go through your food cabinet or pantry and grab a couple of cans and give them away.

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    I agree. Infact this year I'm starting a new tradition with my son. We will be helping out at a soup kitchen feeding others rather than chowing down with family. I plan on doing this from here on out on Thanksgiving and I'm hoping this will stick and be a life long tradition he will carry on with his kids/wife when the time comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Wishing everyone on Stripperweb a wonderful Thanksgiving.

    This year , more than most it might not be so easy to feel thankful. But if you have a home, a family and a job with enough to eat, you are better off than a lot of other people. Try to donate to a soup kitchen or food pantry if you can. Even if you just go through your food cabinet or pantry and grab a couple of cans and give them away.
    I never understood this kind of thinking. Why should I care more about poverty now than I did last month? Assuming that homelessness is not my #1 charitable donation target, why should I give them anything?

    Let me explain this with numbers. Let's assume that I think that each dollar I give to breast cancer research will improve 2 people's day. And that each dollar I give to the soup kitchen will improve 1 person's day. Obviously, I don't have the resources to solve either problem. But If I give $1 to a soup kitchen, I'm actually ruining the day of one person with breast cancer, because now I don't have that dollar to give to cancer research. Clearly, I've made a bad decision.

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    Well Bah- Humbug Mr. Blackstone, maybe you should just stay stingy and never help anyone who is down and out...Geesh...>Happy Thanksgiving to every one else!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    I never understood this kind of thinking. Why should I care more about poverty now than I did last month? Assuming that homelessness is not my #1 charitable donation target, why should I give them anything?

    Let me explain this with numbers. Let's assume that I think that each dollar I give to breast cancer research will improve 2 people's day. And that each dollar I give to the soup kitchen will improve 1 person's day. Obviously, I don't have the resources to solve either problem. But If I give $1 to a soup kitchen, I'm actually ruining the day of one person with breast cancer, because now I don't have that dollar to give to cancer research. Clearly, I've made a bad decision.
    LOL...I love people like you! Honestly!! Ten years ago I woulda got upset at such garbage. But these days, it makes me love myself even more knowing what a great and awesome person I am!

    And if you shit today you may not have as much shit to shit out tomorrow! Try to hold your do-do!!

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    Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving sweet cheeks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyInWaiting View Post
    Well Bah- Humbug Mr. Blackstone, maybe you should just stay stingy and never help anyone who is down and out...Geesh...>Happy Thanksgiving to every one else!
    It's not greed at all. I'm going to give a fair amount o charity. It's about getting the most good accomplished with my charitable donations. I mean, I could give it all to some crackhead, and that would be a bad use of my money. I could give it all to a childrens hospital, and that would be better. If I give my money to the crackhead, I'm hurting the kids at the hospital. That is bad.

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    And if I pet my cat one time more than I pet my dog, my dog has gone with less love that day. (lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by incognito.dancer View Post
    And if I pet my cat one time more than I pet my dog, my dog has gone with less love that day. (lol)
    That's completely different. You can keep both pets happy, easily. It's not really comparable.

    Imagine that you could pet 5,000 pets a day before you collapse from exhaustion. Now imagine you had 10,000,000 pets, so that no matter what you did, most would still go without. Then it really does matter whether you like your dogs better, your cats better, or some mix of the two.

    Obviously, I can't cure cancer. I can't feed the homeless. But if I think cancer is the bigger problem, I'm making a clear mistake by donating anything to homeless people, and vice versa. It's a product of the fact that my resources are relatively small and the problems are very large.

    A better way of looking at it is imagine some random charity. They could use all their money through plan A to make 500 people happy on thanksgiving. Or plan B would make 1,000 people equally happy. Since they are going to do one of the two options, choosing plan A would effectively hurt 500 people. It's the same deal with individual charitable donations. If I don't think a charity is the best use of my money - which is limited - then I am actually hurting people (by failing to help them) when I give the lessor charity the money.

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    Not all homeless people are crackheads or addicts. There are families where mommy and daddy got laid off and ended up in a shelter. Not everyone at those places is a wino begging for change who hasn't showered in days. Show some compassion already.

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    You are a very bitter and lonely man, huh? I'm sorry your life has failed you but thru prayer, and a bit of luck, your life will change! I promise!

    Well wishes to you sweetie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyInWaiting View Post
    Not all homeless people are crackheads or addicts. There are families where mommy and daddy got laid off and ended up in a shelter. Not everyone at those places is a wino begging for change who hasn't showered in days. Show some compassion already.
    I've run across his type a time or two. I don't think he can show compassion, because compassion was never shown to him. It's sad and hurts my heart. I pray for people like him, they are the ones who truly need it.

    And blacky, I give money and food to homeless people all the time. I don't give a rats petunia if they spend it on drugs or alchohol. My duty as a human is to help other humans. And as long as I help, I'm doing good. That is the name of the game in this thing called life.

    God takes on many forms, did you know that? He may be the bum on the street....it's a test. He wants to know you care and are compassionate for your fellow humans. You don't get to choose who you want to be nice to because you feel they deserve it more, he wants you to be nice to all. (I guess this only applies to you *if* you believe in God, but somehow I think you don't. You are prolly one of those people who think there is no God because sometimes bad things happen to good people)

    Anywho, again, I will say a little prayer for you, blacky, tonight. I promise your life will get better honey. There is always a silver lining....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyInWaiting View Post
    Not all homeless people are crackheads or addicts. There are families where mommy and daddy got laid off and ended up in a shelter. Not everyone at those places is a wino begging for change who hasn't showered in days. Show some compassion already.
    You've missed the point entirely. If I give to the shelter, slightly more people with cancer will die. If I give to cancer research, more homeless will starve. If I think cancer research is a better deal than a homeless shelter, I'm making the world worse off by giving it to the shelter. And the opposite is true, if I think the shelter is the best idea.

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    And if I fart when I have to poop I may let out a wet one. What's your point?

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    I think you should have your electricity shut off so you don't use all that power that your neighbor could be using. Again, I ask, what's your point honey?

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    Stop trying to justify the fact that you think you are too good to help the homeless. Im not buying it. I understand you have an attitude that your better than the homeless and down and out and that they are not worth you trying to help. I don't even know why you posted your first post- I believe its due to the fact that you have a superiority complex.
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    ^^^^ ding ding ding!!

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    Here's an idea. Since maximizing the charitable efficiency of your dollars is a losing proposition, why don't you keep your money and donate your time? Hard for all those greedy crackheads to spend that on drugs. Though I'm sure you have a list of very logical reasons not to.

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    ^^^ lol

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    I cannot believe that this thread actually generated DEBATE !

    Blackstone- Nobody said you HAD to donate or even DO anything ! If you can live with the idea of YOUR neighbors going hungry, so be it.

    I live in a solidly middle to upper middle class area. I KNOW people who have lost their jobs and are struggling. 30% of Americans have either lost their job or someone in their family has.
    The food banks and soup kitchens in my area are all hurting for donations thanks to DECREASED giving. Thanks to my supermarket "points" I qualified for a free turkey at two stores. Both were picked up and donated to the Salvation Army. I don't need them. I'm going to my cousin's house. I picked up and delivered two nice fat turkeys and all it "cost" me was what ? The price of a gallon of gas ? If that.

    The local Boy Scout Troop was collecting canned goods. I went through my pantry and filled a bag with stuff I can easily replace or might not want to eat anyway.

    The point is that a LOT can be done and/or GIVEN without depriving anyone else.

    No personal disrespect but your attitude is hardly in keeping with the spirit of the season and Thank Goodness more people don't think as you do.

    A Happy, Healthy and SAFE Holiday to one and all ! You too Blackstone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    You've missed the point entirely. If I give to the shelter, slightly more people with cancer will die. If I give to cancer research, more homeless will starve. If I think cancer research is a better deal than a homeless shelter, I'm making the world worse off by giving it to the shelter. And the opposite is true, if I think the shelter is the best idea.
    You may want to re-think this. How many people have died from unsucessful cancer treatment ? How many would be alive if the NCS had funded alternative research that proved to be effective ? Who says this has to be a zero sum game ?

    I'm trying to understand your point . Where are homeless people supposed to live ? If people don't donate, where is the money supposed to come from ?

    Btw, Blackstone if you went to college and or law school then you directly benefitted from the charity of a LOT of generous donors. What if they shared your attitude and donated it all to medical charities ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    You may want to re-think this. How many people have died from unsucessful cancer treatment ? How many would be alive if the NCS had funded alternative research that proved to be effective ? Who says this has to be a zero sum game ?

    I'm trying to understand your point . Where are homeless people supposed to live ? If people don't donate, where is the money supposed to come from ?

    Btw, Blackstone if you went to college and or law school then youj directly benefitted from the charity of a LOT of generous donors. What if they shared your attitude and donated it all to medical charities ?
    I actually tend to give to neither. My point has nothing to do with homeless shelters or breast cancer. They were just the first examples that popped into my head. The point is that everyone should identify which charity they think is most important and give to that one exclusively. Any other choice is necessarily Pareto inoptimal.

    The fact that people choose a different charity has moral implications that I'm well aware of. I'm not discouraging charitable donations at all, or donations to homeless shelters in particular. If someone thinks a homeless shelter is the best use of their money, that's great. They're certainly making good use of their money. If someone thinks that a homeless shelter is the best use of money, and despite this, gives it to cancer research, that is a mistake.

    I think the people that presume this just have poor reading comprehension skills, and, I'm willing to consider that I probably didn't make myself clear enough. Charity is a good thing. But donating to multiple charities isn't.

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    Giving to charity is giving to charity, i don't think it's neccesary to have to pick one and stick with it, i like to give to a few, you can't ratio or statistic-ise charitable giving...everyone needs a helping hand every now and again. People always need, don't they, and its nice to help.

    (And if you're so against giving to charity, come spend your money on me down at the SC....and then I'll give it to charity just to irk ya Blackstone! haha )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    I actually tend to give to neither. My point has nothing to do with homeless shelters or breast cancer. They were just the first examples that popped into my head. The point is that everyone should identify which charity they think is most important and give to that one exclusively. Any other choice is necessarily Pareto inoptimal.

    The fact that people choose a different charity has moral implications that I'm well aware of. I'm not discouraging charitable donations at all, or donations to homeless shelters in particular. If someone thinks a homeless shelter is the best use of their money, that's great. They're certainly making good use of their money. If someone thinks that a homeless shelter is the best use of money, and despite this, gives it to cancer research, that is a mistake.

    I think the people that presume this just have poor reading comprehension skills, and, I'm willing to consider that I probably didn't make myself clear enough. Charity is a good thing. But donating to multiple charities isn't.
    Again, Thank God ! more people do NOT share this view. I donate to what I consider to be worthy causes. Any group that tries to serve basic human need is A. O. K with me so long as that is where the money is going.

    Food is as basic a human need as there is. I donate FOOD to soup kitchens and food pantries in my area.
    In the case of the rurkeys that I donated : 1. they would have gone to waste ( figuratively speaking ) if I didn't pick em up and drop em off. 2. They cost me nothing but time. 3. They are going directly to those in need.

    When food drives are held at my local supermarket I just buy a few extra items and drop them in the collection box.

    When the Boy Scouts did their thing, I just cleaned out my pantry.

    How is any other charity or good cause shortchanged in the slightest by any of the above ? I was supposed to donate the turkeys to my college ? Send the canned goods to the American Cancer Society ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Again, Thank God ! more people do NOT share this view. I donate to what I consider to be worthy causes. Any group that tries to serve basic human need is A. O. K with me so long as that is where the money is going.

    Food is as basic a human need as there is. I donate FOOD to soup kitchens and food pantries in my area.
    In the case of the rurkeys that I donated : 1. they would have gone to waste ( figuratively speaking ) if I didn't pick em up and drop em off. 2. They cost me nothing but time. 3. They are going directly to those in need.

    When food drives are held at my local supermarket I just buy a few extra items and drop them in the collection box.

    When the Boy Scouts did their thing, I just cleaned out my pantry.

    How is any other charity or good cause shortchanged in the slightest by any of the above ? I was supposed to donate the turkeys to my college ? Send the canned goods to the American Cancer Society ?

    Imagine you had $100 to donate to charity, and you're going to donate $1 at a time to either syphilis patients or herpes patients. (I chose those example because you're getting emotional over an issue that is just simple calculus.). Let's say curing either disease would take over a billion dollars, so my individual donation is irrelevant on a global scale. Let's also say that my aunt had syphilis, so I think that syphilis is a more worthy goal.

    I donate $1 to syphilis. Now I have $99. What should I do now? Well syphilis is STILL the more worthy recipient in my mind. Nothing has changed. Syphilis hasn't been cured. (in my example, at least). So I donate dollar #2 to syphilis. And still nothing has changed. Herpes isn't suddenly more worthy. So I keep donating to syphilis. Up until I donate all $100.

    Time is kinda the same, only it isn't. I bill out somewhere between $300-$400 an hour, depending on what I'm doing. There is always more work, so, if I wanted to be charitable, I would just work an extra hour and donate it to charity. The Salvation army could pay to staff their kitchen for a day in what I would generate in an hour.

    In real life, this is impractical. I spend my free time giving legal counsel to battered and abused women and children who want divorces, restraining orders, custody modifications, whatever. This is wasteful, too. I could donate my money instead, and the could hire someone. But I do the volunteering partly for myself, too.

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