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    Default Melbourne, Australia - touching laws

    What exactly are the touching laws?
    I know the Kittens chain allows touching during dances, but they also have smoking inside (which is certainly illegal)
    The reason I ask is a customer comment that its obviously NOT illegal since one chain allows touching, and so should I.
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    Default Re: Melbourne, Australia - touching laws

    It is illegal. I have no idea how they get away with it or the smoking thing either. Unless they have a brothel license or something but still operate as a strip club. I know you can get around some laws that way. Or not allowing alcohol in certain sections of the club. Loopholes like that. If your custies don't like it, tell them to go to kittens.

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    Default Re: Melbourne, Australia - touching laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie_tinydancer View Post
    It is illegal. I have no idea how they get away with it or the smoking thing either. Unless they have a brothel license or something but still operate as a strip club. I know you can get around some laws that way. Or not allowing alcohol in certain sections of the club. Loopholes like that. If your custies don't like it, tell them to go to kittens.
    I think this would be impossible for them to be licensed as a brothel

    Melbourne laws state any 'sex' worker in a brothel must be std checked every so often and I wouldn't image a strip club asking it's girls for std test results

    I think they get around it by the fact that the law states the customer can not touch a dancers genitals however breasts and nipples are not genitals

    Don't quote me on this however I have had discussion before with people who run clubs in gold coast and this was their reasoning why the gold coast and most of seqld are touching clubs

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    Default Re: Melbourne, Australia - touching laws

    I'm pretty sure it's not "illegal" but simply against club rules due to the liquor licencing agreements. As in, if it's found girls are giving extras - or what have you - they will lose their licence and be fined.

    Generally speaking, on King St there is no touching UNLESS the girl allows control touching. For some that means stomach area, back and legs (not inner thigh area.)

    Boobs, ass and kitty though are not allowed.

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    touching of any kind in any of the king street venues is against their club policies and the venues should be firing the girls for dong so. I know SMR is very strict on the rules, the security guards monitor the dances closely and have no problem intervening when someone goes too far.

    The venues are licensed for Adult Entertainment and also Liquor, both license are separate however for a strip club to work both need to be in place

    It's the adult entertainment license that governs what can and can't be done not the liquor license when it comes to touching / no touching rules

    The adult entertainment license says something similar to the performer will not allow touching of their genitals whether by herself, a customer or another performer.

    As mentioned tits / legs / stomachs / backs / bum cheeks are not genitals therefore they aren't breaking any laws by allowing touching when the girls work at venues like kittens

    Your genital area is your vagina and anus - not boobs / nipples

    I am sure if it was illegal for touching the club would no way get away with it for as long and as publicly as they have!

    Liquor License controls the way liquor at the venue is served and governs the way they do business with everything associated with the bar (where the drinks are served) and also bar staff

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    I did a bit of research I cannot find anywhere about this Adult Entertainment License for strip clubs (not saying doesn't exit, just would like to see something concrete). From what I have found Adult Entertainment Licenses are for brothels only and Strip clubs only have liquor licenses. http://www.aaei.com.au/regulation.htm

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/cra...-1111117418852

    I've gone through the VIC department of Justice and VIC consumer affairs websites and can only find licensing for Brothels. http://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/CA256...Providers~&3=~

    So this still doesn't explain what is exactly law and what is just house rules. But I was told at Rhino that touching on any private parts (including breasts) could leave me open to being busted for prostitution very clearly. They didn't say it was "house rules". They had actual documentation with sections and subsections defining what was legal and what was not. I'll be damned if I could remember what Act it is from.

    Is it not possible that Kittens allows it illegally and just has a police warning system so the girls know when to pull back. Sure they may still get undercovers but the amount of money they make allowing touching is probably outweighing the fines. They wouldn't be the first club in australia to turn a blind eye to illegal activity. Trust me on that. I know plenty of clubs allowing blatant illegal activity and even encouraging it.

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    Default Re: Melbourne, Australia - touching laws

    Just for reference

    Queensland strip clubs are governed by Department of Liquor, Gambling and Racing. The licensee must be approved for Form 32 for Adult Entertainment Permit

    Still looking for Victoria's governing body

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    Its so shitty this information is not readily available! I looked for NSW law for ages once because the club I worked at said it was against the law to even shake a customers hand and that it was a $1K fine from police if they saw you even graze a customers arm when you are both on the floor, fully clothed. Which I of course thought was complete BS...but alas could not find any info on the net.

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    I asked my manager and apparently all Strip clubs as part of their Liquor license must conform to the Prostitiution Control Act. The act is very clear as to what "sexual services" entail and these "sexual services" are ILLEGAL inside a Strip club that serves alcohol! The Venue and the entertainer can be busted for breaches of this act if any "sexual services" are found to be happening; the Club could have infringements on it's license/potentially lose its license and the entertainer could be arrested for prositition. "Sexual services" can be for example: grinding, and touching of private areas, masturbating etc...

    Mh own two cents; Kittens obviously serve alcohol, but maybe in the eyes of the law it's not deemed prostitution if a customer touches the entertainer, but maybe vice versa if she starts touching his privates or hers, then all of a sudden we have prostitution going on??! Bizarre but that's the only way I guess Kittens are getting away with the tit touching dances? Any ideas??!

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    ^ Thanks babe that's what I thought. I know in Sydney there is a club that gets away with LD's legally because technically the club is divided into 2 areas. The area with LD's has no alcohol.

    In sydney you cannot give Lap Dances...technically.

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    Default Re: Melbourne, Australia - touching laws

    Hey lovely ladies.

    I am a dancer looking to work in Melbourne and I've been trying to find out information on which clubs are good to work?
    I am canadian, do I need a licence?
    Do they hire freelancers just interested in working monday - thursday?
    Does it cost money to work? Is it worth it?
    What are the rules?
    What to the girls wear on the floor?
    etc...

    Id really really appreciate some information if you could help a gal out.
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    It's so frustrating how we can't find the right documentation! You want to follow the law but god they make it hard! And it sound like mgt is not making it easier for anyone! I remember when I worked with a lady who owns a strip club here with the husband, and when I was in business school we had to do an assignment on what business licences different businesses need. I asked her and she said all they needed was their liquor licence. The club pretty much allowed the girls to touch themselves a little on stage (in the context of dancing or entertaining a customer), but no penetration, and lap dances customers usually had their arms on the top of the couch where security could see them but grinding and the dancer touching you pretty much wherever they liked, on top of your clothes was allowed. ACT. I don't know about other states. It's so hard to find anything in legal documentation Acts etc. Ugh!

    Delvina, if you are just visiting australia you need a special visa to work. Most legitimate employers will not employ you until they see proof of residency or your working visa. But I guess, as this thread shows, there are plenty of places that turn a blind eye to all sorts of illegal things let alone Immigration rules. Cool so if you have a working visa, most of the clubs in Melbourne are on King Street. It is a major street, so it is pretty safe and easy to find. You could try visiting a few of the clubs during the day to get a feel for them. I know most of them have a receptiony bit at the entrance so you can ask the people there who to talk to about getting work.

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    Default Re: Melbourne, Australia - touching laws

    In Melbourne there is no "entertainers license", stripclubs have to concern themselves with 3 licences/permits in particular- liquor licencing, prostitution act and council laws.
    Kittens can get away with the touching above the waist as according to the prostitution act breasts are not genitals (the bum is) so it isn't considered an act of prostitution to allow touching of this area. Kittens do not allow touching below the waist- Including the knees thighs and hips although the knees thighs and hips are not a restriction within the prostitution act (only the genital area) - this is a "house rule" which like dress codes are conditions the venue has decided to impose themselves. No doubt this is because it's easier for the bouncers and management to police.
    All clubs may impose any "house rule" they wish as a condition of entry.
    The prostitution act applies to every one anywhere. It is a general law.
    Liquor licensing can also apply operating conditions on a particular venue (eg opening times, maximum number of patrons)
    The council can also apply a bundle of restrictions as a condition of granting permit (eg, activities conducted by the business, noise volume, also opening times and number of patrons etc)
    So basically if you adhere to the prostitution laws and the clubs house rules (which should be displayed for workers to see) you don't have anything to worry about. Also there is nothing no stopping you from applying your own personal restrictions on top of federal, state and local laws, since you are operating as an independent worker- so for example if you are at Kittens you DON"T HAVE to allow the breast touching (and some girls don't)
    I hope that cleared some things up as to why the rules seem hard to find- basically it depends on the restrictions on their own particular licences and permits!

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    Default Re: Melbourne, Australia - touching laws

    Thanks Mackenzie!

    Im going to have a temp work visa so it should be okay. Im traveling with a friend from the US who has tattoos so I hope thats okay too. Some strip clubs where she's from frown upon tattoos making it hard for her to work in nice clubs.

    Im a little more hopeful sine this thread. I hate contact clubs so it looks like I can find one where the men wont be too grabby. In my past experience, YOU MAKE MORE MONEY WHEN GUYS CAN'T TOUCH! Im from a city in Canada that use to be strict no touching, air dancing pretty much. Then over the years it got really bad, they got rid of licences, and now its full-on contact, and girls are doing extras, so I have to leave and travel to make money. The thing is, a guy will pay $20 for a dance, the girl starts grinding his cock then half way through the next song he is gone cause he came in his pants. I wish girls would learn......

    The less you give them the more they will give you in hopes of getting what they want. DUH!

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    Default Re: Melbourne, Australia - touching laws

    It is not illegal for customers to touch breasts as that is not against the Prostitution Control Act.

    What strippers should be aware of is that if they touch another dancer's genitals that is breaking the law as it's considered an act of sex in front of an audience. Most strippers don't know this.

    I really wish the Kittens chain would fuck off out of Melbourne. It's crossing the line and I don't consider what goes on in there dancing, it's actually disgusting. I've been in there and the girls are allowed to kiss customers (not even prostitutes apparently tongue kiss customers), nipple sucking is condoned and I saw this girl giving two guys a dance - one guy sucking on a nipple each. It was just RANK.

    It spoils the Melbourne stripping industry. I'm just glad guys still come into the city clubs coz the girls are much more attractive.
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