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    I know there have been complaints about customers not tipping or expecting too much for very little. They just want a free show, or they want you to sit there and hang out for free.

    Well, I have noticed in my last two shifts that they DON'T even want the free show. Men are sitting at the bar with their backs to the stage. They are more into their conversations with eachother than the babe on stage. Men are more fully engrossed in the video poker/games machine. Groups of men have turned dancers away from sitting with them.

    There is another bar/sitting area near one of the VIP areas. It's not even in the same room as the stage. Men are gathering in there to talk to eachother, watch sports, play poker, and hang out with the bartender. A guy even threw his birthday party in there. At no point did they ever move to the room with the stage. It's like they don't care! Why don't they just go to their friendly neighborhood pub then?

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    Default Re: New Phenomenon?

    i don't think it's a new phenomenon. that's the same homoerotic bullshit that's been going on in strip clubs for awhile now.

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    Really? How lame... Well, atleast I am not the only one noticing this. I almost felt compelled to say something about it. Like, "What are you guys? Gay? There are gorgeous women running around topless in the other room!!!"

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    Default Re: New Phenomenon?

    I would find that annoying.. I mean if you going to pay cover to a stripclub shouldn't you be there for the strippers?

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    I had that last night, about 5/6 jocks in a group saying `why pay when we can get it for free elsewhere`.
    It was at a dive (downstairs)/normal club (upstairs).

    It doesnt make guys look big, or clever to when they are trying to be aloof. Just makes them look immature.

    Anyway, one of the said guys tried a chinese flag on the pole and totally bailed and crashes and even lost a shoe!! KARMA.
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    Default Re: New Phenomenon?

    not meaning to play devil's advocate, BUT ...

    from the point of view of the guys, the lack of direct attention towards dancers is probably symptomatic of the fact that in today's economy they do NOT have the extra money available to buy lap dances or even to tip every dancer. By hanging out closer to the bar instead of near the stage, they are probably trying to 'spare' themselves from dancer criticism for their failure to tip and/or buy private dances .... while still getting a bit of 'eye candy' that isn't available at their local pub !

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    Default Re: New Phenomenon?

    I wonder how weird it feels to be one of those guys, I would not go into a club if I didn't have the money to at least buy one dance...

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    LOL my GF is hilarious. She just walks straight up to these guys and says "What are you doing here? Are you going to go for dances or what? No? Ok then, go to the fucking pub and drink". I could never personally say it, but I love it when she does hahaha

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    LOL my GF is hilarious. She just walks straight up to these guys and says "What are you doing here? Are you going to go for dances or what? No? Ok then, go to the fucking pub and drink". I could never personally say it, but I love it when she does
    well, again playing devil's advocate ...

    what happens if those guys take your GF's comments seriously and DO go to their neighborhood bar from now on ? This means that your club loses the income from cover charges and drink profits at the bar that these guys were still providing ... which the club will probably then attempt to 'make up for' by raising dancer house fees and/or trying to take a larger percentage of private dance money etc.

    In point of fact, the 'new phenomenon' simply boils down to guys having far less money to spend for non-essential things these days. It's one thing if the club is able to replace non-tipping non-dance buying customers with guys that DO have money to spend. It's another thing to effectively tell club customers who ARE providing income for the club ( even though they may not be providing income for the dancers ) that they are unwelcome and should take whatever amount of money that they are still spending on cover charges and drinks somewhere else.

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    ^ ya it is a possibility. I'd still rather pay more and have them somewhere else then in the club killing my mojo. More mojo = more $$$ anyways. LOL

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    Default Re: New Phenomenon?

    agreed on the 'mojo' factor ! Also, it's not good to have a few non-tipping non dance buying club customers 'infect' other club customers with the idea that it's perfectly acceptable to NOT tip the dancers !

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    Default Re: New Phenomenon?

    .....but melonie, this isn't a new phenomenon that is popping up because of a bad economy.

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    Default Re: New Phenomenon?

    Maybe they are tired of our reactions if they don't want to buy dances. Yes, it maybe bad if they stop going. I don't want a higher house fee or tip out. But, I still can't imagine that that many would ignore us. Like someone said earlier, why pay a cover? They can go to a regular bar without paying cover. I would think enough could careless about our feelings that they would still want a free show. Just like the guys that don't care about our feelings and are rude or want extras. Not that I want them to want a free show, but atleast the ones who want one care enough to look.

    Then again, maybe I am looking at this the wrong way. Maybe *gasp* they do respect us to some degree, so they won't try to get a free show. Once again, why waste money on the cover? I am still trying to figure out the incentive to even be at a strip club.

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    I'm noticing this too. Yes, the state of the economy holds a bit of the blame, but there is just so much less 'wow' coming from the customers. I think it is a combination of a lot of things. I notice much more guys declining company from dancers, not watching the stage even while sitting at the stage, no yelling, hootin, or clapping for dancers, even those who put on good shows. The crowd just seems less interested.

    There are probably plenty of reasons for this such as:

    * The economy. As Melonie said, there is less money to go around for 'wants' There has also been crackdowns on using corporate spending accounts to 'entertain' clients for business men.

    * The availability of extras. Girls giving away so much for so little, 'desensitizes' guys and now dancers who only strip are lame to some customers.

    * The hiring practices of clubs. It seems that SC's are not as particular as they once were, even so called more upscale clubs. There are not enough dancers to grab a customers attention because they look too ordinary. Even dancers who are not unattractive make themselves look ugly and plain with the outfits they choose, the way they 'style' their hair (by style I mean nothing or little was done to it) and the make up they choose not to wear. Every dancer should have her own style, but the way some girls look is just not acceptable. Why should guys pay for or be impressed by girls who look way less "done up" than the girls at the local pub?

    * The way dancers act nowadays. I know its not all dancers, but so many dancers are just not friendly at all these days. Some never smile, don't say a word to you or even smile at you before taking your tip onstage, and are just 'wannadancing' with a bored look on their face. I see so many dancers just flat ignoring customers and not even asking for dances more than once or twice an hour, if that. That will leave an impression on customers and not make him want to open up his wallet. I've been to several clubs like this, and ended up spending nothing outside of stage tips even though the dancers were cute and the club was nice. I tipped EVERYONE when I sat stageside because as a stripper myself, I can't NOT tip. But I did understand SLIGHTLY why some custies do not, because it is much harder to tip a dancer who seems to be ignoring her audience and looks bored as hell, even if she's pretty and can dance. Much harder not to tip a girl who smiles at you and displays some energy. Yes sometimes they are just cheap and want a free show, but not always. If dancers are ignoring the customers, the customers will surely start to ignore the dancers.

    * The SC's themselves letting customers get too relaxed in the club. By relaxed I mean making things too cheap, and not having the DJ push HARD for guys to tip and get dances. He should try to create a party atmosphere, not a cheers atmosphere. Keep the music loud (not deafening, but loud) and give the guys a push. If the DJ knows there is a bachelor/b-day boy in the crowd, push his buddies a bit to get him a dance. Don't do too many drink specials, cheap ass promotions. Keep the liqour prices high, not cheaper or as cheap as the local pub. Makes customers think there is 'nothing special' about the club when things are too damn cheap. Some SC's are just too boring and too relaxed. No custy should be haggled to death, but they should be 'bothered.' They need to be reminded that they are in a SC, and are expected to spend some money.

    * Stripping has become mainstream, and there is such easy accessability to porn/hookers thanks to the web. We've lost a lot of our taboo, and its hurt the industry.

    * The chick fad. Its now cool to bring your wife/gf to a SC. Its even cooler for groups of women to come in unattended by males and 'hang out.' When I first started it was VERY RARE to see women alone in SC's and was not allowed in some clubs. Now I see it all the damn time. Now you can not only see strippers, but flirt and buy drinks for 'regular' girls at the SC! And the guys know they have a better shot with these girls, and we are just there to 'take their money' anyway!

    I think a combo of these things, plus some other things as well, are why the guys act they way they do these days.
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    Extremely valid points, Carmen. Thank you for that.

    I realize a club has to do what it can to stay in business when money's good and when it isn't, but it's never made sense to me to have things in a SC which deter men from focusing their attention on the ladies working there. I actually worked at a place that had nightly motherfuckin' FOOSBALL tournaments. The club would be packed and the guys wouldn't even show the slightest bit of interest in any of the girls onstage.

    It's a tough call on whether or not you want to discourage customers who aren't spending to leave the SC. They may have their reasons for wanting to be there, and just because they aren't buying dances or tipping at the rail doesn't mean they aren't spending money. I know some guys actually prefer the SC to their neighborhood pub because they aren't looking for the "Cheers" atmosphere. In that case, the cover charge is probably money well spent to just sit at the bar and hopefully not be bothered, in their eyes.

    I'm not saying I think it's right to not spend money in SC's; I tip, and I buy dances when I go to a club. I do what I'd want customers to do if I were working. But, I can see where a fella might feel like he'd rather not have to be someplace "where everybody knows his name."

    Regardless, I do approach these guys for conversation in the hopes that whatever brought them to the bar will be forgotten and that they'll spend a few bucks. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. Times are hard for everyone.

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    ^^ Yup, I agree Kimbre. There will always be time wasters/cheapskates in the SC. People in EVERY sales job get their time wasted. Thats just the way it is. Some guys are not being cheap asses intentionally, some don't realize, and some have just never had much experience with a SC and don't know what to do or what they really want. Doesn't mean they are 'bad' customers. Yes there are terrible customers that don't give a fuck and want to get as much as possible for nothing. Guys need to be hassled, SC's are letting them get too comfy doing jack shit. A foosball tournament? Really? Putting in pool tables and other distractions in SC's are the worst idea ever IMO. Guys need to be pushed to tip, make noise, get dances, and playfully poked fun of if they do not. No customer should ever be told to leave for being cheap or not spending money, that is not the best idea, no matter how badly we all want to do it and how much it sucks. Guys that aren't spending need to be ignored. They should be treated nicely by staff + dancers, but you should have to spend some cash to be a priority. Guys that are spending need to be treated very well and showered with attention. Guys spending should be a priority. I see way too many dancers spending way too much time with guys who are not spending anything. Even if a guy is buying drinks and you have a drink hustle, you need to cut time short with custies who are not buying dances/tipping nicely for your time. Getting drinks is nice, but that should only buy you a few more minutes with a dancer not a half hour. If guys are getting all this attention for free, there is no incentive to buy. No matter what happens, there will ALWAYS be customers who come in with no intention of buying/tipping anything. Sometimes the right dancer can change this, sometimes not. Too many clubs are 'promoting' cheap behavior, unintentionally on some level.
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    Yeah I see all too much of this in my club. I understand the bar needs to make money. But i dont feel the need to be getting naked/topless for a bunch of guys who wont even give me a dollar for hard work and effort I put into my stage performance. Ok so whatever if a bunch of guys with just enough money for cover and a drink want to come in for the bar atmosphere with better eye candy. I have no problem going on stage and dancing for them. I love dancing and doing pole tricks. But I don't think I should have to take my clothes off for them unless they at least come up and tip me on stage. I mean I'm already wearing way less than the girls you see in your local bars (in most cases : P). So that should be enough of a show for the squatters right? Guys used to come in and tip the half naked girls and give them money so they WOULD take their clothes off. The problem is they have finally figured out that it doesnt matter if they tip the girl or not. She still has to take her clothes off. So they can save a few bucks because they already know the girl on stage is gonna get naked without their dollars. We need to get back to actually teasing the guys again. Which means not getting naked unless we get a little money first. But unfortunatly I highly doubt ANY club owner is gonna be ecstatic about doing that. Wishful thinking I guess.

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    I have to fully agree with Melonie on this. At least the guys are standing at the stages staring for free. Many of them realise that it is disrespectful and don't do it. I have had conversations with guys who come in just to drink or hang out and and suprizingly, many of them have said they just feel to old to hang out at the other local bars but still want to be in the bar atmosphere. A few times over the past years I've had guys tell me they like the club because they don't have to deal with other female patrons and get upset about girl groups and girlfriends who come in. I suppose the best way to think about this is to remember that your sc is your local guys fantasy man world, their spa if you may. It is where they escape to from the world. And when it comes to groups, be nice, sometimes they are just afraid to be "the one" in front of their friends. Many times I've seen them come back on their own later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    not meaning to play devil's advocate, BUT ...

    from the point of view of the guys, the lack of direct attention towards dancers is probably symptomatic of the fact that in today's economy they do NOT have the extra money available to buy lap dances or even to tip every dancer. By hanging out closer to the bar instead of near the stage, they are probably trying to 'spare' themselves from dancer criticism for their failure to tip and/or buy private dances .... while still getting a bit of 'eye candy' that isn't available at their local pub !
    Melanie is right! They know that talking to dancers and sitting closer to the stage will inevitably get them to the point where a dancer will ask if they want a dance and they don't want to put themselves in that situation.

    It sucks. I've encountered this as well.

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